Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

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Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

  • YES

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • DO NOT KNOW

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eternally-gratefull

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can the seal be broken ?

If you made the seal yourself? yes (you are a mere mortal)
If your pastor, or church leader made the seal, yes (they too are mortals, and flawed people)

But it was not you or another man who sealed you, it was God.

Are you more powerful than God that you can break your seal? When God sealed Noah in the ark. Could Noah change his mind, break Gods seal, and attempt to leave the ark?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#62
And what was the purchase price? Was it not the blood of Christ?

Hebrews chapter 10

[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Christians can "count the blood of the covenant wherewith they were sanctified as an unholy thing" by "sinning willfully AFTER HAVING RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" and when such occurs "THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION WHICH SHALL DEVOUR GOD'S ADVERSARIES". If you currently believe the heretical teaching of "once saved, always saved", then you do so to your own potential peril. The Bible teaches, from cover to cover, that believers can be lost. To willfully ignore the same is not wise and is potentially damnable.
stop excusing your sin. All sin is willful sin. that is not what that passage is saying. get over yourself.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#63
Does God put a seal upon those who He knows will "believe not"? Does He make a guarantee that He already knows is a waste? Is our faith in Christ relegated to a mere cultural association or emotional statement? Or is it deeper than culture, and truer than emotion, running to the very core and as unchangeable as the God we serve, because it is God within us.

amen, I am amazed at the people who deny the power and omniscience of God. who state he will give his precious gift to a person who never had faith (it was dead) to a person who just believes, will stick around for awhile. then return to his own vomit (life of sin) who says one day I believe in Christ, and the next day they deny Christ.

they are no different than Pagans, who make God a human with the same flaws.
 
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#64

If you made the seal yourself? yes (you are a mere mortal)
If your pastor, or church leader made the seal, yes (they too are mortals, and flawed people)

But it was not you or another man who sealed you, it was God.

Are you more powerful than God that you can break your seal? When God sealed Noah in the ark. Could Noah change his mind, break Gods seal, and attempt to leave the ark?
Did the foolish once had oil in their lamps ?

25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 
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#65

amen, I am amazed at the people who deny the power and omniscience of God. who state he will give his precious gift to a person who never had faith (it was dead) to a person who just believes, will stick around for awhile. then return to his own vomit (life of sin) who says one day I believe in Christ, and the next day they deny Christ.

they are no different than Pagans, who make God a human with the same flaws.
Did the devil once had the Holy Spirit ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#66
They seem to think that the names are written in when people accept Christ, rather than when they are born. Is there a verse contrary to my understanding of the Book of Life being the life we are given at birth, sealed by belief or blotted out by unbelief, that on the Last Day when the books are opened, only those in Christ are left on it's pages, and are given inheritance.

Jesus paid for the sin of the whole world.

everyone got a clean slate in the book of life, because the penalty of sin was paid for. . and have until death to receive his gift.
or to commit the unpardonable sin of blasphemy of the spirit (rejecting the gospel. which the HS was sent to convict the world of sin righteousness and judgment ,
 
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#67

amen, I am amazed at the people who deny the power and omniscience of God. who state he will give his precious gift to a person who never had faith (it was dead) to a person who just believes, will stick around for awhile. then return to his own vomit (life of sin) who says one day I believe in Christ, and the next day they deny Christ.

they are no different than Pagans, who make God a human with the same flaws.
Who was saul the king was he sealed with the Holy Spirit ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Did the foolish once had oil in their lamps ?

25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
dude, your like a kid throwing a tempertantrum because you were backed in the corner and have no place else to go.

If your not going to respond to passages of scripture given to you. why are you here? your wasting your time, my time, and every one elses time in here who has to see you act like a kid.


vs 12 answers the question.

I KNOW YE NOT?

If you would read scripture. you would know the answer, and not need to ask!


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
 
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Does God put a seal upon those who He knows will "believe not"? Does He make a guarantee that He already knows is a waste? Is our faith in Christ relegated to a mere cultural association or emotional statement? Or is it deeper than culture, and truer than emotion, running to the very core and as unchangeable as the God we serve, because it is God within us.

Those that conditionally believe (that become Christians) are sealed.

But what happens if a Christian quits believing falling away from the group Christian. Will he unconditionally, be guaranteed to remain sealed?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#71
Who was saul the king was he sealed with the Holy Spirit ?
if you have to ask this question, you prove your ignorance of the word. and until you start to study the word. you have no hope.
 
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#72
They seem to think that the names are written in when people accept Christ, rather than when they are born. Is there a verse contrary to my understanding of the Book of Life being the life we are given at birth, sealed by belief or blotted out by unbelief, that on the Last Day when the books are opened, only those in Christ are left on it's pages, and are given inheritance.
This is not the book of life
Psalm 139:13-16King James Version (KJV)

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

The lambs book of life is the book of life
The book of the living is a record of all living on earth at present both good and bad people
Philippians 4:3
And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out ofthe book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life ofthe Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the bookof life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another bookwas opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book oflife was cast into the lake of fire.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb'sbook of life.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of thebook of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


 
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Sophia

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#73
Those that conditionally believe (that become Christians) are sealed.

But what happens if a Christian quits believing falling away from the group Christian. Will he unconditionally, be guaranteed to remain sealed?
That is not Belief. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you have Belief. Being baptised into the death burial and resurrection of Christ, born again as a new creation; that is Belief. And that Belief comes from Faith, which is a gift.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#74
Those that conditionally believe (that become Christians) are sealed.

But what happens if a Christian quits believing falling away from the group Christian. Will he unconditionally, be guaranteed to remain sealed?
could noah break his seal if he stopped believing God would flood the earth?

better, yet, Would noah stop believing?

you ask because you do not understand, Your in the same situation noah was in. God will send the whole world to hell. The difference is, he made the ark for you. are you going to climb in before it is too late? or be shut out on the last day? (or die before you climb in)


A person who has humbled himself to the point of the cross. in saving faith, would no more stop believeing Gods judgement on sin, that noah would
 
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#75
dude, your like a kid throwing a tempertantrum because you were backed in the corner and have no place else to go.

If your not going to respond to passages of scripture given to you. why are you here? your wasting your time, my time, and every one elses time in here who has to see you act like a kid.


vs 12 answers the question.

I KNOW YE NOT?

If you would read scripture. you would know the answer, and not need to ask!


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
please explain this ?

“Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

 
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#76
could noah break his seal if he stopped believing God would flood the earth?

better, yet, Would noah stop believing?

you ask because you do not understand, Your in the same situation noah was in. God will send the whole world to hell. The difference is, he made the ark for you. are you going to climb in before it is too late? or be shut out on the last day? (or die before you climb in)


A person who has humbled himself to the point of the cross. in saving faith, would no more stop believeing Gods judgement on sin, that noah would
remember lots wife will answer your question
 
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We all have a chance. The key here is to not "sin WILLFULLY". We've all been called "through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" (I Peter 1:2). IOW, when we truly do miss the mark, there is a "sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" available to us for cleansing in relation to the same. However, if we choose a path of "willful sin", thereby "counting the blood of the covenant wherewith we were sanctified" or set apart "as an unholy thing", well, then THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACIFICE FOR SIN...like it or not.
Any time we sin - it is willful. We all know what the word says - so when we step out of line and sin - we chose to do that and that makes it willful. We all are called to be obedient - the obedience comes after we are sealed - we are not sealed because of our obedience but our faith in Jesus Christ. There is NO more sacrifice for sin - Jesus Christ paid the price being our perfect sacrifice. God made provision for those that are his for when they do sin. 1 John 1:9
 
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#78
dude, your like a kid throwing a tempertantrum because you were backed in the corner and have no place else to go.

If your not going to respond to passages of scripture given to you. why are you here? your wasting your time, my time, and every one elses time in here who has to see you act like a kid.


vs 12 answers the question.

I KNOW YE NOT?

If you would read scripture. you would know the answer, and not need to ask!


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
you did not answer the question
they were virgins and had the Holy Spirit ( seal ) they lost the Holy Spirit thus was the seal broken ?

you have to admit you dont understand bible my friend

10 virgins baptised believers s with the Holy Spirit 5 were wise and 5 foolish thus the gift was taken away from the foolish

He did not know them because they lost the Holy Spirit ?
 
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ELECT

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#79
That is not Belief. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you have Belief. Being baptised into the death burial and resurrection of Christ, born again as a new creation; that is Belief. And that Belief comes from Faith, which is a gift.
1 Corinthians 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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ELECT said:
Did the 5 foolish virgins once had God Holy Spirit ?
Nope - the holy Spirit was not given until Jesus ascended.

John 7:38,39 He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Before Acts 2 - no one was "born" of the Spirit. [except John the Baptist; "from his mother's womb"] God placed his Spirit upon certain believers in the Old Testament and upon the apostles in the Gospels.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about and such could eventually prove to be deadly for you (in that you're foolishly embracing the lie of "once saved, always saved" to your own possible peril) if you don't adjust your beliefs in accordance to what the scriptures actually teach. For starters, MANY PEOPLE in the Old Testament had the Holy Spirit IN THEM. Here are some examples of the same:

"And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?" (Genesis 41:38)

Yes, Joseph had the Spirit of God IN HIM.

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

Yes, Moses had the Holy Spirit WITHIN HIM.

"And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me." (Ezekiel 2:2)

Yes, Ezekiel had the Spirit of God IN HIM (see also Ezekiel 3:24)

"But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying, O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof." (Daniel 4:8-9)

Yes, Daniel had the Holy Spirit IN HIM.

Etc., etc., etc.

IOW, what I just provided is by no means an exhaustive list. In fact, ALL OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, had "the Spirit of Christ IN THEM":

"Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (I Peter 1:10-11)

Furthermore, here is what Jesus had to say about "the foolish virgins":

"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:1-13)

For starters, "the foolish virgins" were just that: virgins. IOW, Jesus didn't designate them as "whores", "harlots", "adulteresses" or anything else impure, but instead as "virgins" which, by implication, has to do with chastity and purity. IOW, we have no reason to believe that they were anything but the types of "chaste virgins" that Paul spoke of elsewhere:

II Corinthians chapter 11

[1] Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
[2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.


As Paul feared that these "chaste virgins" might be led astray, so, too, was Christ speaking of "virgins" who foolishly fell away.

Secondly, "the foolish virgins" all "took their lamps" with them or all started on their journey to meet the Bridegroom with "the light" of the gospel or with "the light" of Christ.

Thirdly, "the foolish virgins" not only "took their lamps", but they were initially being fueled by "oil", which, as I trust we all know, is a type of the Holy Spirit or a type of God's anointing. Oh, they did eventually run out of "oil", seeing how they hadn't brought a surplus of the same with them, but they did all start out with oil burning lamps, nonetheless. As such, to even suggest that these "foolish virgins" NEVER had the Holy Spirit is to deceive or delude one's self.

Fourthly, "the foolish virgins" all responded to the "cry" to "go out and meet the Bridgegroom" Who is Christ. Is this how the unsaved or is this how those who allegedly NEVER had the Holy Spirit would respond? Again, let's not kid ourselves.

Fifthly, "the foolish virgins" sought to obtain "oil" from "the wise virgins". Again, having run out of their original supply of "oil" or having lost the Holy Spirit's presence in their own lives, these "foolish virgins" once again sought the same.

Sixthly, "the foolish virgins" actually went out to purchase such "oil" AGAIN, didn't they? Yes, they most certainly did.

Lastly, "the foolish virgins" ultimately HAD THE DOOR SHUT TO THEM or they were ultimately LOST.

Yes, friends, Jesus' parable in relation to "the foolish virgins" had everything to do with "enduring to the end to be saved"...just as many of His other parables dealt with exactly the same thing and just as the rest of the Bible teaches the same.