Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[Brainfreeze]

please prove to me that this verse is about sabbath any where in the chapter

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

What do you think " the day " is referring to ?

 

[ELECT]

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

What do you think " the day " is referring to ?

that is not prove it is talking about sabbath you should do you research my friend
the day is not the sabbath sabbath is no where mentioned in that paasage

 

[Brainfreeze]

that is not prove it is talking about sabbath you should do you research my friend
the day is not the sabbath sabbath is no where mentioned in that paasage

Can you answer my question then ?

 

[ELECT]

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

What do you think " the day " is referring to ?

What is the handwritting of ordinaince ?
Why is it called that ?

[h=1]Colossians 2:14-17King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Just today as I was going back from work and wondered do people who believe in OT only Sabbath keeping have any friends of different denominations or non-denominationals, for whom they might witness they truly have Jesus within and that they are truly saved. Then I prayed they would meet them if they dont already. I believe it brings great peace to see God work in spite of obstacles regarding our doctrinal disagreements. amen

Regarding Saturday and Sunday, I hope you'll consider it agreement if I say, that Saturday and Sunday are two different things. Sabbath cannot be replaced by Sunday because they are two different things.
These two days represent burial and resurrection, just like baptism.
One is the end of week (burial), another is the new beginning (resurrection).
Why is the first day of the week so prominent in NT? Well we dont have Sunday featured in the OT because there can be no resurrection and new life without the Messiah.
To rise again (Sunday) one has to die to self and rest (Sabbath) or cease from one's own works (Heb 4:10). And when we decrease, then Jesus, our bread of life, increases or rises, like the leaven of the Kingdom that the wise woman prepared for meal (Matt 13:33). Interestingly, in my language they even say the dough is being left to "rest" in order to rise or "grow" or "increase". I must decrease first to make place for Him though. So that's how I see Saturday and Sunday, they exist and work together.

 

[Servant_of_God]

The sabbath is NOT saturday or any literal day of the week. Any one who teaches otherwise is either lying or deceived. If the truth was told, you all would not go to any building to pay someone else's bills. When the true sabbath starts, the world will know!

 

[ELECT]

Just today as I was going back from work and wondered do people who believe in OT only Sabbath keeping have any friends of different denominations or non-denominationals, for whom they might witness they truly have Jesus within and that they are truly saved. Then I prayed they would meet them if they dont already. I believe it brings great peace to see God work in spite of obstacles regarding our doctrinal disagreements. amen

Regarding Saturday and Sunday, I hope you'll consider it agreement if I say, that Saturday and Sunday are two different things. Sabbath cannot be replaced by Sunday because they are two different things.
These two days represent burial and resurrection, just like baptism.
One is the end of week (burial), another is the new beginning (resurrection).
Why is the first day of the week so prominent in NT? Well we dont have Sunday featured in the OT because there can be no resurrection and new life without the Messiah.
To rise again (Sunday) one has to die to self and rest (Sabbath) or cease from one's own works (Heb 4:10). And when we decrease, then Jesus, our bread of life, increases or rises, like the leaven of the Kingdom that the wise woman prepared for meal (Matt 13:33). Interestingly, in my language they even say the dough is being left to "rest" in order to rise or "grow" or "increase". I must decrease first to make place for Him though. So that's how I see Saturday and Sunday, they exist and work together.

my friend Jesus was not buried on a friday nor resureected on a Sunday

 

[SoulWeaver]

A new Hebrew day begins with a sunset, not with a sunrise. You might want to look that up.
Genesis 1:5 And it was evening and it was morning, one day
(night goes first)
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week,

I'll stay at that as I'm really tired of unnecessary complicating. It is off topic as well.

 

[ELECT]

A new Hebrew day begins with a sunset, not with a sunrise. You might want to look that up.
Genesis 1:5 And it was evening and it was morning, one day
(night goes first)
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week,

I'll stay at that as I'm really tired of unnecessary complicating. It is off topic as well.

Mark 16:1-6King James Version (KJV)

16 And when the [COLOR=#0000FF !important]sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.[/COLOR]
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.

 

[ELECT]

The sabbath is NOT saturday or any literal day of the week. Any one who teaches otherwise is either lying or deceived. If the truth was told, you all would not go to any building to pay someone else's bills. When the true sabbath starts, the world will know!

yet Sunday is the first day

 

[Servant_of_God]

yet Sunday is the first day

The pattern was meant to teach something. Not many has learned its lesson, however.

 

[Apostol2013]

The High Sabbath is Jubilee and on that day God comes to see if the people has followed what He has ordered them to do. On that day, they are suppose to forgive everyones debt or offense that they had done unto them; but they only forgiven little when they only released Barabbas before that day, but they didn't release everyone else like they suppose to and so God has forgiven them little. And so if anyone still wants the Sabbath to stay, they better start learning how to forgive a lot. The Sabbaths isn't easy to follow and so everyone should better just stick to the rule of washing their hand before they eat, and now that is simple.

Luke 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

The Jubilee (Hebrew yovel יובל) year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following (50th) year. Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights. According to Leviticus, slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. Leviticus 25:8-13 states: Jubilee (biblical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i will post the scripyure later comfirming my statement of the first day of the week of passover being a high sabbath , signifying the Lord's permanent high sabbath being the first day of the week being both sabbaths holy for all times sake till heaven and earth shall pass i understand the year of jubilee as the high sabbath mirroring the millenium in a sorts

 

[4enlightment]

i will post the scripyure later comfirming my statement of the first day of the week of passover being a high sabbath , signifying the Lord's permanent high sabbath being the first day of the week being both sabbaths holy for all times sake till heaven and earth shall pass i understand the year of jubilee as the high sabbath mirroring the millenium in a sorts

Okay if you can, but one thing to all the Sabbath's keepers that are out there, that this coming spring is the High Sabbath (Jubilee) again, and they better wipe everything clear from their mind that isn't holy like hating their enemies or holding onto a judgment on someone, because on that day it must be kept holy, clean from any animosity or anything that is evil, or else they will be judge on that day. But if you are under Grace, God will look at what is in your heart (Intent) to see if you were willing too, but you are to weak to perform it.

 

[Apostol2013]

i will post the scripyure later comfirming my statement of the first day of the week of passover being a high sabbath , signifying the Lord's permanent high sabbath being the first day of the week being both sabbaths holy for all times sake till heaven and earth shall pass i understand the year of jubilee as the high sabbath mirroring the millenium in a sorts

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. this is signification as being a sabbath to the lord look at the command but the year of jubilee is a high sabbath indeed , but the lords day ia a sabbath as well now we have two holy sabbaths one sabbath has not replaced the other but has instated it that both should be honoured as jesus intended not as we asume it to be .

 

[Mitspa]

It's not me trying to force you to observe anything. I was trying to share what a delight it is to fellowship with my Creator on His set apart day. It is a delight. It's not something to pick each other apart over. Messiah made it clear, Sabbath is made for man, not man for Sabbath. what? Do you think He is watching to see us dance like puppets and fret over what rules the religious laid on us? It has brought me closer to Him, and deepened my dependence on Him. I don't judge anyone for how they do or do not spend Sabbath.

Look sister im trying to tell you everyday is special with the Lord...and if you have to pretend to keep a list of rules you don't really keep...If your fellowship is based on your ability to keep all the rules in the law...you wont have any fellowship with God...Now the Sabbath has many rules in the law...if you say you keep the Sabbath by the law...keep all the rules in the law.

 

[EbalT5]

I have noticed people posting that the "Law" has been abolished by Jesus and that is the reason why we longer are obligated to keep the Sabbath.
I am posting NOT to argue for or against the "Law" .....if someone is interested they can start a thread.

But the point I want to make is that since God rested on the seventh day, didn't the Sabbath start before there ever was a Law Covenant and therefore in arguing for or against sabbath whether or not the "law" is still in effect is irrelevant.

If you read Exodus chapter 16, you will see that the Sabbath was in effect before the "Law" was established at Exodus chapter 20.
If the Sabbath was in effect from the beginning doesn't this change the dynamics of this discussion?

 

[VCO]

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THE SIGN OF THE FIRST COVENANT:

Exodus 31:13-17 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.'"
THE NEW COVENANT IS A BETTER COVENANT, NOT AN IMPROVED CONTINUATION OF THE FIRST ONE:

Luke 22:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Hebrews 8:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree He is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been legally enacted on better promises.

IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS BECOMES OUR HIGH PRIEST:

Hebrews 4:14-16 (ISV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us continue to hold on to our confession.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a high priest who is incapable of sympathizing with our weaknesses, but one who was tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sin.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So let us keep on coming with boldness to the throne of grace, so that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Hebrews 7:11-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If then, perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be in the order of Melchizedek {Not of the tribe of Levi} and not in the order of Aaron?

[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well.

[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek appears, {Not of the tribe of Levi}
[SUP]16 [/SUP] who did not become a ⌊priest⌋ based on a legal command concerning physical descent but based on the power of an indestructible life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For it has been testified: You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. {Not of the tribe of Levi}
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP] (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

THE REQUIRED CHANGE OF THE LAW:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. {NOTICE: No mention of which day to worship.}

Romans 14:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

I BELIEVE IN WORSHIPING THE LORD THE SAME, EACH AND EVERY DAY!

CAN WE END THE ARGUMENT NOW?

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AMAZING, 184 posts have been POSTED in only 16 hours since I posted my post #172 ABOVE; and this is post #357.

Could the Church get you to spend that much time witnessing to your unsaved neighbors, PLEASE?

Do you realize that the devil has tricked you into taking your eyes off JESUS and fixing (super-glued) them on Why TOO KEEP or NOT TO KEEP the Seventh day.

Hebrews 12:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Apostol2013]

jesus ordained the sabbath days

 

[VCO]

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AMAZING, 184 posts have been POSTED in only 16 hours since I posted my post #172 ABOVE; and this is post #357.

Could the Church get you to spend that much time witnessing to your unsaved neighbors, PLEASE?

Do you realize that the devil has tricked you into taking your eyes off JESUS and fixing (super-glued) them on Why TOO KEEP or NOT TO KEEP the Seventh day.

Hebrews 12:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

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Perhaps some commentaries will help:

There is something else in this chapter that is of profound interest and is important to see. It has to do with the Sabbath Day. It is something that many people pass over. The Sabbath Day was given to man right after creation, and it was observed universally. When we come to the Mosaic system, we find that God made it one of the Ten Commandments for the children of Israel. At this time God makes it quite clear that the Sabbath is only for the children of Israel.And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you [Exod. 31:12-13].

The Sabbath was given specifically to Israel. I do not believe it was ever given to the church. When someone asks me, "When was the Sabbath Day changed?" I always reply that it never was changed. It was done away with, as far as the church is concerned. We are not under the Sabbath Day which is Saturday. We do not observe Saturday -- Jesus was dead that day and we are not serving a dead Christ. On the first day of the week Jesus Christ rose from the dead. The church from the very beginning met on the first day of the week. That is when the church was born; the day of Pentecost was on the day after the Sabbath. The Sabbath was first given to the entire human race but man turned away from God, and God gave the Sabbath exclusively to Israel.
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people [Exod. 31:14].

I would like to ask the people who claim to keep the Sabbath if they keep it all the time. And are those of their number who do not keep the Sabbath all the time put to death as the law requires?
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death [Exod. 31:15].

If a man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath Day, he was stoned to death in Israel.
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed [Exod 31:16-17].

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

Significantly, the command for the Sabbath is not repeated in the NT, whereas the other nine are. In fact, it is nullified (cf. Col. 2:16, 17). Belonging especially to Israel under the Mosaic economy, the Sabbath could not apply to the believer of the church age, for he is living in a new economy.
The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

EX. 31:12-18. In the midst of His instructions on the work to be performed, God reminded Moses that obedience is also a religious duty. The Sabbath was the sign (vv. 13, 17) of the covenant that made Israel a theocracy. It was a test of the nation's commitment to God; failure to keep it a holy day would result in death (i.e., separation from the community which would probably result in death). This command, as stated in the Decalogue (20:8), was based on God's resting after His work of Creation in six days (31:17). Because the nation was in a covenant relationship with Him, the people were to do as He had done. The Sabbath marked Israel out as God's people. Observing the Sabbath showed that the Israelites were set apart (i.e., holy) to God.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

 

[VCO]

jesus ordained the sabbath days

QUOTE THE CHAPTER AND VERSE. HE NEVER REITERATED EVEN ONCE THAT NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVERS WERE TO KEEP THE SABBATH.