Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

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Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

  • YES

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • DO NOT KNOW

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Total voters
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ELECT

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God does not take away his spirit...it is a person who choose not follow the spirit and becomes a servant of sin instead of following the spirit...so it is true you can fall from grace.... but grace does not fall...
Was the Holy Spirit taken away from Saul and Samson ?
 
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Was the Holy Spirit taken away from Saul and Samson ?
Those Christians in Ephesus were told they had been sealed, EPh 1:13, yet some 25-30 years later or so in Rev 2:1-7 that Ephesian church had become fallen, left its first love and threatened to either repent and do the first works or have their "candlestick" (Rev 1:20) taken away.
 
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ELECT

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The mark of the beast, seal if you will is irrevocable so why would one think that the seal of the Holy Spirit is less??????
When one was in darkness before accepting Christ did they have the mark of the beast ?
 

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Those Christians in Ephesus were told they had been sealed, EPh 1:13, yet some 25-30 years later or so in Rev 2:1-7 that Ephesian church had become fallen, left its first love and threatened to either repent and do the first works or have their "candlestick" (Rev 1:20) taken away.
Who can consider themselves to have the authority to unseal what God has sealed?

Individual saints in Ephesus were sealed but in Revelation a church is backslidden. Two entirely different entities. In many churches today the glory of the Lord has long since departed. There man be a few old souls there who know the Lord but the organization of the church is long since departed from Gods truth.

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Was the Holy Spirit taken away from Saul and Samson ?
Yes.

The OT believers were not BORN of the Spirit.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. v5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. v6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Greek words for "born", "born again":

gennao - 1) of men who fathered children A. to be born; B. to be begotten a) of women giving birth to children; 2) metaph. A. to engender, cause to arise, excite B. in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life to convert someone C. of God making Christ his son D. of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work.

anagennao - 1) to produce again, be born again, born anew 2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a ne life and one conformed to the will of God.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible by he word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

paliggenesia - 1) new birth, reproduction, regeneration A. hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God; a radical change of mind for the better

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

apokueo - 1) to bring forth; A. from the womb B. give birth to; produce

James 1:17,18 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Yes.

The OT believers were not BORN of the Spirit.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. v5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. v6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Greek words for "born", "born again":

gennao - 1) of men who fathered children A. to be born; B. to be begotten a) of women giving birth to children; 2) metaph. A. to engender, cause to arise, excite B. in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life to convert someone C. of God making Christ his son D. of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work.

anagennao - 1) to produce again, be born again, born anew 2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a ne life and one conformed to the will of God.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible by he word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

paliggenesia - 1) new birth, reproduction, regeneration A. hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God; a radical change of mind for the better

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

apokueo - 1) to bring forth; A. from the womb B. give birth to; produce

James 1:17,18 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Are you saying that no Old Testament saints were saved then? After all, Jesus said we must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-5).

You've got some very unsound, unscriptural beliefs.
 
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The_highwayman

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Are you saying that no Old Testament saints were saved then? After all, Jesus said we must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-5).

You've got some very unsound, unscriptural beliefs.
How could King David, Abraham, Moses and even the thief on the cross be saved when Jesus had not died and been raised to life yet? Those I mentioned were all under the Mosaic Covenant and not the New Covenant. Their SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant and righteousness was imputed unto them by their faith.

Think before you type.
 
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ELECT

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Yes.

The OT believers were not BORN of the Spirit.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. v5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. v6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Greek words for "born", "born again":

gennao - 1) of men who fathered children A. to be born; B. to be begotten a) of women giving birth to children; 2) metaph. A. to engender, cause to arise, excite B. in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life to convert someone C. of God making Christ his son D. of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work.

anagennao - 1) to produce again, be born again, born anew 2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a ne life and one conformed to the will of God.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible by he word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

paliggenesia - 1) new birth, reproduction, regeneration A. hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God; a radical change of mind for the better

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

apokueo - 1) to bring forth; A. from the womb B. give birth to; produce

James 1:17,18 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
[h=1]2 Samuel 23:1-3King James Version (KJV)[/h]23 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
 
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ELECT

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How could King David, Abraham, Moses and even the thief on the cross be saved when Jesus had not died and been raised to life yet? Those I mentioned were all under the Mosaic Covenant and not the New Covenant. Their SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant and righteousness was imputed unto them by their faith.

Think before you type.
I wonder if Abel is saved did not Jesus speak about him
 
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ELECT

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Are you saying that no Old Testament saints were saved then? After all, Jesus said we must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-5).

You've got some very unsound, unscriptural beliefs.
Was Israel baptised in the OT ?
 
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2 Samuel 23:1-3King James Version (KJV)

23 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
I'm just going to take it that you do not understand. :)
 
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JesusistheChrist

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How could King David, Abraham, Moses and even the thief on the cross be saved when Jesus had not died and been raised to life yet? Those I mentioned were all under the Mosaic Covenant and not the New Covenant. Their SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant and righteousness was imputed unto them by their faith.
Abraham's SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant?

Silly me...I thought that Abraham was dead and buried long before Moses was even born.

For crying out loud, man, Abraham is called "the father of all them that believe" (Romans 4:11) and "the father of us all" (Romans 4:16) and Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham and you think that Abraham wasn't born of the Spirit? How the heck was he saved then?

The_highwayman said:
Think before you type.
Oh, the irony!

Take your own advice.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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I wonder if Abel is saved did not Jesus speak about him
Abel was not only saved as a GENTILE (they were the first ones saved, folks), but he was also given as an example of those who persevered by faith to the Hebrew Christians.
 
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How could King David, Abraham, Moses and even the thief on the cross be saved when Jesus had not died and been raised to life yet? Those I mentioned were all under the Mosaic Covenant and not the New Covenant. Their SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant and righteousness was imputed unto them by their faith.

Think before you type.
19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

The thief on the other hand was promised by Jesus, saying surely he will be with Him in paradise ...
 
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Abel was not only saved as a GENTILE (they were the first ones saved, folks), but he was also given as an example of those who persevered by faith to the Hebrew Christians.
Why were they doing scarifices and Why did God clothe ADam and Eve ?
 
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ELECT

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19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

The thief on the other hand was promised by Jesus, saying surely he will be with Him in paradise ...
when will this thief get eternal life ?
 
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The_highwayman

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19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

The thief on the other hand was promised by Jesus, saying surely he will be with Him in paradise ...
Paradise is not heaven...Read the account of the rich man in hell...Luke 16.19-31.

I did err by saying Abraham was under the Mosaic covenant though.
 
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The_highwayman

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Abel was not only saved as a GENTILE (they were the first ones saved, folks), but he was also given as an example of those who persevered by faith to the Hebrew Christians.
OK I will bite, what is your definition of salvation?
 
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The_highwayman

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Abraham's SIN was atoned for under the Mosaic Covenant?

Silly me...I thought that Abraham was dead and buried long before Moses was even born.

For crying out loud, man, Abraham is called "the father of all them that believe" (Romans 4:11) and "the father of us all" (Romans 4:16) and Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham and you think that Abraham wasn't born of the Spirit? How the heck was he saved then?


Oh, the irony!

Take your own advice.
Yep I blew it on Abraham, I got in hurry to denounce your false Gospel
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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God seals the believer with the Holy Spirit as a "pledge" -- literally, a down payment, or an escrow payment -- toward our redemption, that is, our "inheritance."
Ephesians 1, NASB
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Is God a man that He should lie? This is an unconditional covenant. There is nothing man must do to "seal" this contract with God. He takes all responsibility upon Himself, once we have believed, and if we truly believe, we will not "stop believing." The very thought is ludicrous. This passage destroys any concept of "lost salvation."