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Thank you but I did biff it on Abraham being under the Mosaic Covenant, got a little head of myself....
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Thank you but I did biff it on Abraham being under the Mosaic Covenant, got a little head of myself....
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JesusistheChrist
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That's your only response to my quoted post?
Seriously?
Anyhow, would you like to take a walk with me down "The Romans Road"?
You just might be surprised what we find there...if you take off your blinders, that is.
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The_highwayman
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There is a complete difference between WITHIN & UPON
4th time....What is your definition of salvation?
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ELECT
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Are you saying those that died before wicked did not accept the mark does the bible say that ?
Who will be cast into the lake of fire ? Why ?
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The_highwayman
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I remember getting Romans Railroaded many times as a kid and teenager. I now understand Romans to be the book of GRACE and not the book of SIN as the Romans road to salvation teaches.
I knew you were going here...must be the Spirit working within and upon me that told me that...
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JesusistheChrist
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So, you're willfully blind, too?
Again, you've already been presented with several verses (and there are more) that plainly state that certain people in the Old Testament had the Spirit of God IN THEM.
Why do you reject the Word of God?
Are you wiser than God?
I've already asked you if you want to take a walk with me down "The Romans Road" or not? Where I come from, it's rude not to answer a question that is posed to you. Also, why are you ignoring my question about Abel?
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The_highwayman
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ELECT
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[h=1]Isaiah 61:1-3King James Version (KJV)[/h]61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
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JesusistheChrist
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Well, seeing how you recognize your error, how, then, was Abraham saved?
Do you believe that he was even saved to begin with?
If you do, then how was he saved?
Again, if you're going to answer me "by faith", then please tell me "by faith" in what or Whom?
Thanks.
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ELECT
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Isaiah 61:1-3King James Version (KJV)
61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
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Daniel 5:11-14New International Version (NIV)
11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. 12 He did this because Daniel, whom the king called Belteshazzar, was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding, and also the ability to interpret dreams, explain riddles and solve difficult problems. Call for Daniel, and he will tell you what the writing means.
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JesusistheChrist
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The Holy Spirit was "given" at least as early as Enoch. Yes, we read:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 1:14-15)
How did Enoch, the seventh from Adam, PROPHESY OF JESUS' SECOND COMING?
Perhaps he was reading tea leaves?
Better still, perhaps he read the same in the entrails of an owl?
HE HAD THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN HIM!
Sorry to shout (in this instance...I normally use capitalization strictly for emphasis)...but some of you are dull of hearing.
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ELECT
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18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body--whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Ephesians 4:4
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
We don't scare you, the truth does if any...
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[h=1]Exodus 31 King James Version (KJV)[/h]31 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
6 And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;
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JesusistheChrist
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Yes, AS A MATTER OF FACT, he did:
"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)
Well, it's A MATTER OF FACT for those who us who actually believe the scriptures, that is.
Since this post is sooooo long I will split my response up. I don't like loooong post and I am sure that others feel the same.
Do you think that by citing verses which state that the Holy Spirit was "in" them negates the fact that the new birth was not available until the age of grace? I will remain unwise in YOUR eyes.
#1 - I believe that I said OT believers had God's Spirit upon them which is how He spoke to them and how He lead them.
#2 - John the Baptist was the ONLY one recorded in scripture who was BORN indwelt with the Holy Spirit. "he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb" . .Luke 1:15
#3 - "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart, I will send him unto you." John 16:7 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, . . . " John 14:26
Now, I see no contradiction in what I have said. It seems the contradiction lies in your understanding of what I have said.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ form the dead, To an inheritance INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:3-5
I believe that I am a child of God being born again of the Spirit through my faith in Jesus Christ and through my faith in Jesus Christ I have been promised eternal life - I believe that that "birth" of that new creation in me is incorruptible just as scripture says: Being born again, not of corruptible seed [flesh] but of incorruptible [seed] by [through] the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Hebrews 6:11-12 The desire is for everyone to show the same earnestness with full assurance, most certain confidence of hope - we are to strive to be like Christ and interest ourselves in the things of God. [diligence: spoude - earnestness, diligence A. earnestness in accomplishing, promoting or striving after anything B. to give all diligence, interest one's self most earnestly] [full assurance: plerophoria - full assurance, most certain confidence] As in Romans 4:20,21: He (Abraham) staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that what he (God) had promised, he (God) was able also to perform.
Hebrews 10:35-36 Cast not away your confidence [parresia - free and fearless confidence, cheerful courage, boldness, assurance] If I live in fear of loosing my salvation - I have cast away my confidence . . . I cannot live in the full assurance of hope until the end. These seem to have more to do with our walk than with our salvation.