Daniel 7 Bible Discussion

[eddylowe59]

Hi,

I have been reading Daniel 7 and wanted to ask a few questions, I would be greatful for your responses.

What is the context to Daniel 7?
What or who do the four beasts represent?
Who is the son of man?
What relevance does Daniel, in particular Daniel 7 have for us today?

I look forward to your responses!

Thanks

Ed

 

[prove-all]

Hello

for “Surely the Lord will do nothing, but he revealeth
his secret unto his servants the prophets”: Amos 3:7

and As he spake by the mouth of his Holy prophets,
which have been since the world began:
the living may know the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will,and setteth up over it
the basest of men: Daniel 4:17

there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets,
and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar
what shall be in the (latter days)” (Daniel 2:28)

8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things?
9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are
(closed up and sealed till the time of the end).
4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:
many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


sonic jets and space travil, internet and knowledge increase.
we are in the end times, and we should know what all this means,

why else would God reveal it but use to know and be a witness.
Daniel nor anyone else understood , the message is for us now.

mountains=kingdoms
beasts=empires
water=populations.
woman=church religion,believes.
kings=kings=horns.

you have to start in Daniel 2 info and build on,
and will end with Christs return and mans rule smashed.
and he told us how ahead of time.

 

[prove-all]

This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
Neo-Babylonian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire (550-330 b.c.)
Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3 belly and thighs of brass greco-macedonia-Alexander the Great (336-323 b.c.)
Alexander the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4 the two legs of iron roman empire-capitals Rome and Constantinople.(31 b.c.-a.d. 476)
Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Daniel told the Chaldean king that he and his kingdom
were represented by the image’s head of gold (2:38).

34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote
the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


from here on it is what came up from the roman empire


the 10 horns that grow out of the fourth beast

 

[prove-all]

Daniel 7 same thing as Daniel 2 but more information added

And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another

1 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till
the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth
and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

2 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side,
and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it:
and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

3 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

4 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:

the meanings and symbals of these kingdoms fits perfict with the history of man.
(2)This is the Medo-Persian Empire, which took over from Babylon and also conquered Libya and Egypt.
(3)This deadly leopard is Alexander the Great, who took 30,000 men and crushed the Persian Empire, which had a 350,000-men army!
(3)After Alexander died, four of his generals split the empire into four parts—a total of “four heads.”
(4)The last of these four beasts is going to have all the deadly strengths of the first three!

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 7:17
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The four beast in Daniel 7 represent the rise of kingdoms between the time the prophecy was given and the end times.
Here is what I believe they represent, and it is not common to the original teachings yet Daniel was even told these were for future knowing.

1st Beast

Lion with eagle wings
( The lion is Great Britain and the eagles wings are America that broke away from Great Britain as we can see the wings plucked away in verse 4 and made to stand up like a man. We also have a symbolism of Uncle Sam. )


2nd Beast

Bear
( This is a symbol of Russia, and it has always tried to devour other nations into its communism. )



3rd Beast


Leopard with four heads and wings of a foul
( This is symbolism of Germany and how many times this country will rise in power; 1st Reich, 2nd Reich, 3rd Reich, and the slowly rising reforming of a 4th Reich. And the wings of a foul is France, as we see with German having a coalition with France for years in the Franco-German pact. Frances country symbol is the rooster. )


4th Beast


This beast is the revised holy Roman empire..................




And then we can see that in Revelation 13 these nations ( minus America ) will band together and come up against Israel, and will be following the antichrist/man of sin.

 

[JimmieD]

Hi,

I have been reading Daniel 7 and wanted to ask a few questions, I would be greatful for your responses.

What is the context to Daniel 7?
What or who do the four beasts represent?
Who is the son of man?
What relevance does Daniel, in particular Daniel 7 have for us today?

I look forward to your responses!

Thanks

Ed

Daniel's dream in 7:1-7:14 is interpreted in 7:15-28, so there's no need to guess. The four beasts were four kingdoms. The son of man was identified as the "saints of the Most High."

 

[Josefnospam]

Daniel, as in all the books of the bible, speak of and look forward to Jesus Christ the Lord. Once we grasp this we can study and begun to understand many of the difficult passages of scripture. Those who say, this means that and so on, are on shaky ground if they don't see the Christ in every passage and book and relate all other scriptures to him. Revelation is indeed difficult to grasp, but be sure to always look to and give ALL praise, honor and glory to him.

 

[Hizikyah]

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

 

[jb]

Hi,

I have been reading Daniel 7 and wanted to ask a few questions, I would be greatful for your responses.

What is the context to Daniel 7?
What or who do the four beasts represent?
Who is the son of man?
What relevance does Daniel, in particular Daniel 7 have for us today?

I look forward to your responses!

Thanks

Ed

You can find a bit of a study on Daniel Here

Yahweh Shalom

 

[Laodicea]

Daniel 2 & 7 are the same with added info in Daniel 7.

 

[Kerry]

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

How can he do that? I thought OSAS. So how can he cause the elect to fall away? Double talking going on here.

 

[prove-all]

Neo-Babylonian_Empire

- Daniel 2: statue mans kingdoms

1And in the (second year) of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, ...

32This image's head was of fine gold,

his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image
upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

- mans kingdom rule is destored when Christ comes to take over Gods kingdom

37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven
hath given thee (a kingdom), power, and strength, and glory.

38And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of
the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made (thee ruler over them all).


(Thou) art this (head)
Nebuchadnezzar II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


of (gold). (Babylonian_Empire)
Babylonian Empire


#1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
Neo-Babylonian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

39And (after thee) shall arise another kingdom (inferior to thee),
and another third kingdom of brass, which shall (bear rule over all the earth).

47king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of (a truth) it is, that your God is a God of gods,
and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

-Daniel 4: written by nebuchadnezzar, and first king of world kingdom of man

1 Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages,
that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

27Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off
thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor;
if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

- he was warned to rule with Gods counsel, repent do good and show mercy.

29At the end of (twelve months) he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.

30The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that (I) have built for the house of
the kingdom by the might of (my) power, and for the honour of (my) majesty?

31While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying,
O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; (The kingdom is departed from thee).

- kingdom temporaly taken away, and was untill (till thou know) that God rulled.

22It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown,
and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

14He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15Nevertheless (leave) the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:

25That they shall drive (thee) from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of
the field, (till thou know) that the (most High ruleth) in (the kingdom of men),and
(giveth it to whomsoever he will).

16Let (his heart) be changed from man's, and let a (beast's heart) be given unto him;
and let (seven times) pass over him.

34And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven,
and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High,
and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever

36At the same time (my reason returned) unto me; and for the glory of (my kingdom).
mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added ...

37Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,

- Daniel 7, more information added to Daniel 2 statue,

2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4The first was (like a lion), and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked,
and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a (man's heart) was given to it.

17These (great beasts), which are four, are (four kings), which shall arise out of the earth.

-Daniel 5 , Belshazzar, Nebuchadnezzars son is now king.
Belshazzar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




1(Belshazzar) the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand.

3Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem;

4They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, ....

5In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaster of the wall of the king's palace:and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote

17Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.

18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour:

20But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride,
he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

21And he was driven from the sons of men; and (his heart) was made like the beasts,
and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen,
and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; (till he knew) that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

22And thou his son, O Belshazzar,hast not humbled thine heart,
though thou (knewest all this);

23But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them;..

24Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.

25And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.

26This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE;
God hath numbered thy kingdom, (and finished it).

27TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

28PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and (given) to (the Medes and Persians).


31And (Darius) (the Median) took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
Darius the Mede - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

- the kingdom of man changes hands.

#1 head of gold. the Chaldean Empire.
Neo-Babylonian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,

#2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire
Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

- next kingdom the Medo-Persian Empire, the second beast

 

[Jason0047]

The Ancient of Days in Daniel 7 is the Father.
The Son of Man in Daniel 7 is Christ.

This is the Father introducing the Son to Daniel.

Just as the Son introduces the Holy Spirit to his disciples.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Daniel 2 & 7 are the same with added info in Daniel 7.

This was a common misconception to place the 4 beasts and match them up with the statue from chapter 2.
However if you read closely Daniel 7 to 12 refer to who is going to rise and be present at the end of days, tribulation period. One of the first issues with that is the fourth beast is not just Rome alone, it is the holy Roman empire which consists of multiple countries and not just a lonely city.
Then your picture says divided kingdoms, those kingdoms are not divided but united in one power as we see happening again with the European union.
How do you also figure the 4 headed leopard with wings of a foul to fit Greece? As I showed in post #5 it fits Germany more as Germany has been a power country 3 times now with its 3 Reich's and is slowly rising for a 4th time, and its partner is France whose symbol is the rooster. Franco-German pact.

This has been the normal teaching that you use, but Daniel was told to seal these things up so that they would not be known tell the time of the end. So it could not be what has been said in the past for many years because these would still have been sealed, but now that we are getting closer to the end they are starting to be unsealed.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[Laodicea]

Daniel 2:39-40
(39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
(40) And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Daniel 7:23
(23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

 

[Jason0047]

Light of understanding comes in the New Testament.

Revelation 17:10-11 talks about 8 kings in total.

From John's perspective in his present moment of time, there are:

Five Kings That Are Fallen:

1st King = Egypt
2nd King = Assyria
3rd King = Babylon (Statue of Neb. starts) (Different Beast Animals Start)
4th King = Medo Persia
5th King = Greece

The One That is (John's present):

6th King = Rome
(4th Kingdom from Daniel's perspective, i.e. Daniel 7).

The one that is to come (i.e. the next great world like empire):

7th King = The United States.
(For what other nation in the world is greater in power and influence?)

All These Kings Are A Part of the Beast's 7 Heads. For Mountains are Kingdoms.

8th King = Anti-Christ (Beast) and His Kingdom.

The Beast is a Demon that is why he is a part of the previous seven. Meaning he is a demon who has always influenced the previous world empires.

Then there is the Woman (Whore) who rides the Beast.

This Woman or Whore is a Religious Institution which I believe are the two wicked women with wings in Zechariah 5:5-11 who were sealed up in the Ephah with the lead cover (Which is a storage container for dry grains) and released later in the New Testament time (Note: These two women first appeared as one woman in the prophecy).

I believe this Woman or Whore who rides the Beast in Revelation (Who are the two women in Zechariah's prophecy) is Rome's religious paganism. The first woman is Rome's false religious system before they mixed their pagan religion with elements of Christianity. The second woman is Catholicism. These two wicked women with wings both originally appear as one woman in the Ephah in Zechariah's vision (Zechariah 5:7); Meaning, Catholicism is a progression or blend of two religions (Hence why there is two woman but yet there was originally one to begin with).

Anyways, the Anti-Christ will destroy the Whore (False religious Institution); which will be the destruction of the Vatican.

Please take note that Catholicism has a huge influence on this country; It is the religion that is shown in most movies, TV shows, comics, etc.; Most people in my experience I have met who are Catholic are also wordly focused and not God focused.

In other words, all 8 Kingdoms are world empires of the Beast with the Whore being a religious intitution that rides the Beast.

For Satan is the god of this world and he has ruled over it's world leaders for a long time (Which will also include a major false religious institution before the Beast implements direct worship of Himself with the taking of the Mark).

 

[kennethcadwell]

Light of understanding comes in the New Testament.

Revelation 17:10-11 talks about 8 kings in total.

From John's perspective in his present moment of time, there are:

Five Kings That Are Fallen:

1st King = Egypt
2nd King = Assyria
3rd King = Babylon (Statue of Neb. starts) (Different Beast Animals Start)
4th King = Medo Persia
5th King = Greece

The One That is (John's present):

6th King = Rome
(4th Kingdom from Daniel's perspective, i.e. Daniel 7).

The one that is to come (i.e. the next great world like empire):

7th King = The United States.
(For what other nation in the world is greater in power and influence?)

All These Kings Are A Part of the Beast's 7 Heads. For Mountains are Kingdoms.

8th King = Anti-Christ (Beast) and His Kingdom.

The Beast is a Demon that is why he is a part of the previous seven. Meaning he is a demon who has always influenced the previous world empires.

Then there is the Woman (Whore) who rides the Beast.

This Woman or Whore is a Religious Institution which I believe are the two wicked women with wings in Zechariah 5:5-11 who were sealed up in the Ephah with the lead cover (Which is a storage container for dry grains) and released later in the New Testament time (Note: These two women first appeared as one woman in the prophecy).

I believe this Woman or Whore who rides the Beast in Revelation (Who are the two women in Zechariah's prophecy) is Rome's religious paganism. The first woman is Rome's false religious system before they mixed their pagan religion with elements of Christianity. The second woman is Catholicism. These two wicked women with wings both originally appear as one woman in the Ephah in Zechariah's vision (Zechariah 5:7); Meaning, Catholicism is a progression or blend of two religions (Hence why there is two woman but yet there was originally one to begin with).

Anyways, the Anti-Christ will destroy the Whore (False religious Institution); which will be the destruction of the Vatican.

Please take note that Catholicism has a huge influence on this country; It is the religion that is shown in most movies, TV shows, comics, etc.; Most people in my experience I have met who are Catholic are also wordly focused and not God focused.

In other words, all 8 Kingdoms are world empires of the Beast with the Whore being a religious intitution that rides the Beast.

For Satan is the god of this world and he has ruled over it's world leaders for a long time (Which will also include a major false religious institution before the Beast implements direct worship of Himself with the taking of the Mark).

I am sorry Jason but the U.S. is not going to be one of the nations ruled by the antichrist/man of sin when he comes to power. The bible gives very little evidence to where the U.S. will stand, but it has always been a supporter and backer to Israel. And we can see in Revelation 12 it gives Israel the symbolism of a woman, and then it says was given two wings of a great eagle ( America ) to protect her.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Daniel 2:39-40
(39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
(40) And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Daniel 7:23
(23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Once again look at these scriptures and notice the difference, yes they both say 4th kingdom but one says 4th kingdom upon the earth. Then the one from Daniel 2 says that is made up of different countries but broken apart, and the one from Daniel 7 says it will be a diverse ( which means different ) from all the previous kingdoms.
As they do have similarities, there is also differences because chapter 2 is speaking of nations that have already come from then tell now, and chapter 7 is talking about those that will arise and then also be part of the system at the end under the antichrist.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I will just once again add to read Daniel 7 real closely as it shows that this image of the 4 beasts and this whole chapter is referring to end time players and events. Not things that have already taken place. It is a parallel prophecy to Revelation.
Do you really think that Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome even together could stand up against the U.S ?

The U.S. would have to be destroyed or play a much smaller role in foreign affairs do to a devastating war like a WW3 for this to happen, and sorry to say the bible does not place the U.S. as a backer/follower of the antichrist/man of sin.

 

[Jason0047]

I am sorry Jason but the U.S. is not going to be one of the nations ruled by the antichrist/man of sin when he comes to power. The bible gives very little evidence to where the U.S. will stand, but it has always been a supporter and backer to Israel. And we can see in Revelation 12 it gives Israel the symbolism of a woman, and then it says was given two wings of a great eagle ( America ) to protect her.

America is only the 7th Kingdom and not the 8th Kingdom (Which is the Antichrist's Empire).

If there is one thing the 8 kingdoms have in common is that they are all kingdoms who were great to the point of influencing the world and or being a great world empire. The U.S. would definitely fall under that category.