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That is what the priests had felt or discerned at the time when they had read the scriptures and felt that is what God is trying to tell them that a woman shouldn't open their mouth or disturb a man because they are weaklings.
30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”
How could she had known that Mary was going to have a child, they'd just had met and then Elizabeth had exploded that out. And so God didn't just worked though man.
30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”
How could she had known that Mary was going to have a child, they'd just had met and then Elizabeth had exploded that out. And so God didn't just worked though man.
As mentioned above by brother JesusistheChrist it has to do with Genesis 3:16 " and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." God said this to woman in the garden of Eden. This obviously predates the Mosaic Law.
Numbers 30 gives a description of the Mosaic Law that binds a woman and her oath to the YHWH(LORD) at the discretion of either her dad if she is living with her parents still and unmarried or to her husband if she becomes married.
A continuance in keeping of the aforementioned Laws by Paul that had been by given by YHWH (LORD), are also seen in the New Testament here......
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Numbers 30 gives a description of the Mosaic Law that binds a woman and her oath to the YHWH(LORD) at the discretion of either her dad if she is living with her parents still and unmarried or to her husband if she becomes married.
A continuance in keeping of the aforementioned Laws by Paul that had been by given by YHWH (LORD), are also seen in the New Testament here......
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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and unlike some other laws, commands, instructions, advice, counsel, exhortation, edification, rebuke, and chastisement,
unlike many other times (as God does not have to give a reason to men for what He does, ever. He Is the Potter; man is the clay !)
in Torah (Scripture; that which flows from God; that which is God-breathed) it is explained WHY in this case(s);
and , btw, it is not an iron-clad rule, but subject as all of His Word is to Yeshua, never contradicted, but often mis-used by men and women.
..............
everyone, men and women, are subject to obedience in the body of Hamashiach Yeshua. even the 'leaders'/'teachers'/ 'speakers'/ and rare as they are(maybe no one here has ever seen one) 'prophets'&'apostles'
......
'let everything be done decently and in order'; 'let the peace of Hamashiach Yeshua rule in our hearts' ;
and
many other exhortations and descriptions of how the assembly / ekklesia met, meet, and are to meet,
are in Torah (Scripture).
.........................................look at how 'confused' this and other forums can be. likewise PTA meetings?!/ political events !? ---- all the hoopla over ferguson/ n.y./ police/ government actions (stirred up wickedly btw by a group called 'community action' and others not even from the areas involved - and contrary to the best interests of people , 'they' did it for M*o*n*E*y..... (what a surprise!>? eh ??) ... )
point of order? so to speak -- to maintain order, not man's order, but God's order, in assemblies , for His Purpose in Yeshua Hamashiach, namely the healing, salvation, restoration, nurturing, and training of His People.
and nothing new, no, not at all new - see the Scripture already posted - it started in Genesis, and goes all the way through the OT, and the NT..... "every word that proceeds from the mouth of Yahweh(Elohim, God)".
unlike many other times (as God does not have to give a reason to men for what He does, ever. He Is the Potter; man is the clay !)
in Torah (Scripture; that which flows from God; that which is God-breathed) it is explained WHY in this case(s);
and , btw, it is not an iron-clad rule, but subject as all of His Word is to Yeshua, never contradicted, but often mis-used by men and women.
..............
everyone, men and women, are subject to obedience in the body of Hamashiach Yeshua. even the 'leaders'/'teachers'/ 'speakers'/ and rare as they are(maybe no one here has ever seen one) 'prophets'&'apostles'
......
'let everything be done decently and in order'; 'let the peace of Hamashiach Yeshua rule in our hearts' ;
and
many other exhortations and descriptions of how the assembly / ekklesia met, meet, and are to meet,
are in Torah (Scripture).
.........................................look at how 'confused' this and other forums can be. likewise PTA meetings?!/ political events !? ---- all the hoopla over ferguson/ n.y./ police/ government actions (stirred up wickedly btw by a group called 'community action' and others not even from the areas involved - and contrary to the best interests of people , 'they' did it for M*o*n*E*y..... (what a surprise!>? eh ??) ... )
point of order? so to speak -- to maintain order, not man's order, but God's order, in assemblies , for His Purpose in Yeshua Hamashiach, namely the healing, salvation, restoration, nurturing, and training of His People.
and nothing new, no, not at all new - see the Scripture already posted - it started in Genesis, and goes all the way through the OT, and the NT..... "every word that proceeds from the mouth of Yahweh(Elohim, God)".
P
It is true that is the passage referenced by everyone I can find on this verse, I have never considered that to be part of the law.
"as also saith the law" seems to me to be talking about something in the law that specifically addresses a womans place in public assembly.
None of you sabbath or law keepers have anything here? Perhaps you don't know as much about the law as you have led us to believe.
"as also saith the law" seems to me to be talking about something in the law that specifically addresses a womans place in public assembly.
None of you sabbath or law keepers have anything here? Perhaps you don't know as much about the law as you have led us to believe.
J
When "the law" is referenced in the New Testament, it's not always exclusively referring to the commandments which were given to Moses by God. For example, elsewhere in this same first epistle to the Corinthians, Paul said:
"In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord." (I Corinthians 14:21)
Here, Paul was actually citing that which had been written by the prophet Isaiah and he called it "the law":
"For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." (Isaiah 28:11-12)
Jesus likewise referred to "the law" in a much broader sense than just the commandments which were given to Moses by God. A couple of examples of the same would be the following:
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34)
Here, while actually citing from the Psalms, Jesus referred to "your law":
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6)
Again, Jesus said:
"But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause." (John 15:25)
Once more, while citing from the Psalms, Jesus referred to the same as "their law":
"They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away." (Psalm 69:4)
I hope that this helps.
"In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord." (I Corinthians 14:21)
Here, Paul was actually citing that which had been written by the prophet Isaiah and he called it "the law":
"For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." (Isaiah 28:11-12)
Jesus likewise referred to "the law" in a much broader sense than just the commandments which were given to Moses by God. A couple of examples of the same would be the following:
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34)
Here, while actually citing from the Psalms, Jesus referred to "your law":
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6)
Again, Jesus said:
"But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause." (John 15:25)
Once more, while citing from the Psalms, Jesus referred to the same as "their law":
"They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away." (Psalm 69:4)
I hope that this helps.
John 7:16-17 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 14:24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Jesus wasn't teaching the peoples their A-B-C or 1-2-3, but He was trying to help the people to understand the scriptures, to discern them properly. Some of the Pharisees didn't understand them but discerned them improperly because they had an evil spirit in them that had put words in their thoughts, but they didn't had the spirit of God in them; but some of them did, but didn't liked what they had discerned from the scriptures and so they had kept them (wisdom) hidden from the people, and just wanted everything to just to stay the same way, and that is by giving them everything they wanted.
Luke 11:52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge (Wisdom). You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
John 11:“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation.”
49 Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all!
John 11:50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation,
Matt 28:11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 14:24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Jesus wasn't teaching the peoples their A-B-C or 1-2-3, but He was trying to help the people to understand the scriptures, to discern them properly. Some of the Pharisees didn't understand them but discerned them improperly because they had an evil spirit in them that had put words in their thoughts, but they didn't had the spirit of God in them; but some of them did, but didn't liked what they had discerned from the scriptures and so they had kept them (wisdom) hidden from the people, and just wanted everything to just to stay the same way, and that is by giving them everything they wanted.
Luke 11:52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge (Wisdom). You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
John 11:“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation.”
49 Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all!
John 11:50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation,
Matt 28:11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
P
This post is probably closest to where I wanted to go. The law sometimes simply is a reference to the old testament, the written word available at that time.
The point that I think needs to be absorbed is this: However women were allowed to speak in public assembly in those days, is the same guidelines Paul said were still in force.
To sum it up, it wasn't okay for women to hold the office of priest or a position of authority then, and it isn't now. God has not and will not change His mind about that.
The point that I think needs to be absorbed is this: However women were allowed to speak in public assembly in those days, is the same guidelines Paul said were still in force.
To sum it up, it wasn't okay for women to hold the office of priest or a position of authority then, and it isn't now. God has not and will not change His mind about that.
38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored. (Blotted from the Book)
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”
It is funny how God work; He had opened the mouth of Elizabeth a woman, but shut the mouth of Zechariah and which he was a man. Its says that whom ever exalted themselves, will become humble, and those whom are humble like a woman, will be exalted.
Luke 1:5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.
Isaiah 2:11 The eyes of the arrogant will be humbled and human pride brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.
Isaiah 5:15 So people will be brought low and everyone humbled, the eyes of the arrogant humbled.
Jeremiah 13:15 Hear and pay attention, do not be arrogant, for the Lord has spoken.
Daniel 5:20 But when his heart became arrogant and hardened with pride, he was deposed from his royal throne and stripped of his glory.
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”
It is funny how God work; He had opened the mouth of Elizabeth a woman, but shut the mouth of Zechariah and which he was a man. Its says that whom ever exalted themselves, will become humble, and those whom are humble like a woman, will be exalted.
Luke 1:5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.
Isaiah 2:11 The eyes of the arrogant will be humbled and human pride brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.
Isaiah 5:15 So people will be brought low and everyone humbled, the eyes of the arrogant humbled.
Jeremiah 13:15 Hear and pay attention, do not be arrogant, for the Lord has spoken.
Daniel 5:20 But when his heart became arrogant and hardened with pride, he was deposed from his royal throne and stripped of his glory.
K
Why must you be so condescending? The goal is love, is it not?
The context surroundings Paul's letter leads us to consider many things, and you've good answers here already. What is it you seek? What is it you want the scripture to say?
Is it not evident that the whole counsel of our Creator is to redeem mankind? Can you not see how beautiful the plan, all about the love of our Creator? He is the Head of the body, has given matrimony to help illustrate this.
Happy is the married woman who exercises control, not advocating confusion nor pride trying to rule over him, but loves and reveres his authority over her. She never brings him shame, nor does she belittle him. He in turn will love her, protect her with his life because she delights him with her devotion.
It's obvious enough to me, what Paul is saying. Perhaps you have never been to a Church gathering where one, or even a few, can be so distracting it is hard to focus on what is being taught?
The context surroundings Paul's letter leads us to consider many things, and you've good answers here already. What is it you seek? What is it you want the scripture to say?
Is it not evident that the whole counsel of our Creator is to redeem mankind? Can you not see how beautiful the plan, all about the love of our Creator? He is the Head of the body, has given matrimony to help illustrate this.
Happy is the married woman who exercises control, not advocating confusion nor pride trying to rule over him, but loves and reveres his authority over her. She never brings him shame, nor does she belittle him. He in turn will love her, protect her with his life because she delights him with her devotion.
It's obvious enough to me, what Paul is saying. Perhaps you have never been to a Church gathering where one, or even a few, can be so distracting it is hard to focus on what is being taught?
M
I would agree in general with what you say here 
But we also see the Lord raise up Debra ...as a Judge over the people under the law... We also see Paul affirm some women as "ministers" servants...same word. I also believe Paul goes on to explain why a woman is in the condition of transgression and that she can be delivered...saved from that condition under certain requirements that Paul speaks of... I also believe when Paul says its a shame for a woman to teach...that the shame is not on the woman as much as on the men who have failed to study and show themselves approved before God.
But we also see the Lord raise up Debra ...as a Judge over the people under the law... We also see Paul affirm some women as "ministers" servants...same word. I also believe Paul goes on to explain why a woman is in the condition of transgression and that she can be delivered...saved from that condition under certain requirements that Paul speaks of... I also believe when Paul says its a shame for a woman to teach...that the shame is not on the woman as much as on the men who have failed to study and show themselves approved before God.
A
In all the instructions concerning the service in the tabernacle or temple, (the house of God), throughout the OT, nowhere do we see a woman having an office therein.
So likewise under the NT, since we see how Paul explained how the woman is NOT the head, but the man is the head, the head is where on the body the mouth is located. God has the man as the spokesperson in that time of coming together before the Lord.
The man being the head is not based on the culture of their day. Paul identifies it with God's intention as designed at creation. It is those afflicted with the modern mindset who try to override what God determined how things should be from creation. And how do they do it? By their own perception of reality based on our own modern culture!!
So the folks who disagree and complain about God's order, [that women are not to take the floor as spokespersons to address the assembly when the saints come together], while trying to dismiss that godly order by accusing it to be a first century obsolete cultural issue, they show themselves to be speaking lies in hypocrisy. It is them who are pushing a mere cultural observance to be absolute reality while the REAL reality, the truth, is very different.
So likewise under the NT, since we see how Paul explained how the woman is NOT the head, but the man is the head, the head is where on the body the mouth is located. God has the man as the spokesperson in that time of coming together before the Lord.
The man being the head is not based on the culture of their day. Paul identifies it with God's intention as designed at creation. It is those afflicted with the modern mindset who try to override what God determined how things should be from creation. And how do they do it? By their own perception of reality based on our own modern culture!!
So the folks who disagree and complain about God's order, [that women are not to take the floor as spokespersons to address the assembly when the saints come together], while trying to dismiss that godly order by accusing it to be a first century obsolete cultural issue, they show themselves to be speaking lies in hypocrisy. It is them who are pushing a mere cultural observance to be absolute reality while the REAL reality, the truth, is very different.
J
To understand what Paul was actually saying and addressing, let's go back to our opening text in a slightly fuller context:
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
CONTEXTUALLY, "your women" were THE WIVES of the congregrants at Corinth. Yes, for this exact reason, "THEIR HUSBANDS" were mentioned and, for this exact reason, Paul referred his readers back to that which had been written in "the law" or to that which had been written in Genesis 3:16 IN RELATION TO A MAN AND HIS OWN WIFE. IOW, CONTEXTUALLY, this particular passage of scripture, as well as several others just like it, was dealing with delegated authority and proper procedure in relation to married couples. As such, let's keep it in its proper context and not seek to broaden it and give it merit in relation to all women in general.
Now, if somebody wants to discuss how all women in general are to behave, then that's fine, but to pull verses of scripture out of their actual CONTEXTS as alleged "proof texts" for that which the author was neither addressing nor teaching is never wise.
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
CONTEXTUALLY, "your women" were THE WIVES of the congregrants at Corinth. Yes, for this exact reason, "THEIR HUSBANDS" were mentioned and, for this exact reason, Paul referred his readers back to that which had been written in "the law" or to that which had been written in Genesis 3:16 IN RELATION TO A MAN AND HIS OWN WIFE. IOW, CONTEXTUALLY, this particular passage of scripture, as well as several others just like it, was dealing with delegated authority and proper procedure in relation to married couples. As such, let's keep it in its proper context and not seek to broaden it and give it merit in relation to all women in general.
Now, if somebody wants to discuss how all women in general are to behave, then that's fine, but to pull verses of scripture out of their actual CONTEXTS as alleged "proof texts" for that which the author was neither addressing nor teaching is never wise.
A
All women are to keep silence in the time of the coming together when the assembly is addressed. The men only take the floor. Women are NOT delegated to that responsibility.
A woman may prophesy or be used by God in a powerful way within her place as a woman of a meek and quiet spirit outside of that time of coming together of the saints. But the assembly has an order to how the service is conducted. It is, as Paul said, a shame for a woman to speak in the church.
It is also a shame for a man to have long hair, for an example of how God has rules of conduct for both men and women within his body.
A woman may prophesy or be used by God in a powerful way within her place as a woman of a meek and quiet spirit outside of that time of coming together of the saints. But the assembly has an order to how the service is conducted. It is, as Paul said, a shame for a woman to speak in the church.
It is also a shame for a man to have long hair, for an example of how God has rules of conduct for both men and women within his body.
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Whether the woman is married or not matters nothing to the fact that women, all women, married or single are to keep silence in the coming together. The role of addressing the assembly is a position of authority that belongs to the head, the man.
1 Tim 2:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
This section is not about the coming together. This is instruction in general. Notice the general topic of authority. Hence any woman does not take the floor in addressing the assembly based on God's designated role for the woman to not bear that kind of authority. That honour and authority of addressing the assembly belongs to the man, not the woman. That is just how the Father has ordained the service of the coming together to be conducted. Notice this instruction has NOTHING to do with prevailing cultural practices. This is based on God's intention FROM CREATION.
1 Tim 2:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
This section is not about the coming together. This is instruction in general. Notice the general topic of authority. Hence any woman does not take the floor in addressing the assembly based on God's designated role for the woman to not bear that kind of authority. That honour and authority of addressing the assembly belongs to the man, not the woman. That is just how the Father has ordained the service of the coming together to be conducted. Notice this instruction has NOTHING to do with prevailing cultural practices. This is based on God's intention FROM CREATION.