Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?
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Not to dig it in, but Abraham never observed a sabbath. Not one! That didn't exist until commanded by Moses in Exodus. Yet, to him was that promise made!
I don't know how you are connecting Joseph to the topic, but will answer "no" to adultery. The angel told him he didn't.
Matthew 1:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
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this will help
[h=1]Genesis 26:5King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What are the laws commandments and statutes ?
What is God voice ?
What was the charge ?
How did he get these things and are all recorded ?
[h=1]Genesis 26:5King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What are the laws commandments and statutes ?
What is God voice ?
What was the charge ?
How did he get these things and are all recorded ?
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how interesting
Hosea 4:6King James Version (KJV)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Genesis 39:5-10King James Version (KJV)
5 And it came to pass from the time that he had made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field.
6 And he left all that he had in Joseph's hand; and he knew not ought he had, save the bread which he did eat. And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured.
7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.
How could he know this without law ?
Romans 3:20King James Version (KJV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 4:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Hosea 4:6King James Version (KJV)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Genesis 39:5-10King James Version (KJV)
5 And it came to pass from the time that he had made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field.
6 And he left all that he had in Joseph's hand; and he knew not ought he had, save the bread which he did eat. And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured.
7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.
How could he know this without law ?
Romans 3:20King James Version (KJV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 4:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
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He probably did before leaving southern Iraq. The city Ur was the heart of the worship of the moon god named "Sin". But then he heard God speak and got up with his family and went to Canaan.
I agree with Mitspa, only a fool would return to a speechless idol of stone after having his glorious encounters with God.
I highly recommend reading Genesis if you haven't got around to it. At least chapter 11
I agree with Mitspa, only a fool would return to a speechless idol of stone after having his glorious encounters with God.
I highly recommend reading Genesis if you haven't got around to it. At least chapter 11
Oh, that Joseph! Same answer. "No" adultery. It was all on that woman who chased Joseph down. He didn't stay, but ran from her.
By the way, that Joseph never laid eyes on a single Mosaic commandment either, never learning about any sin from the Law of Moses.
Are you reading replies? Your replies say no.
Why jump around to something new and unrelated instead of dealing with measured replies?
By the way, that Joseph never laid eyes on a single Mosaic commandment either, never learning about any sin from the Law of Moses.
Are you reading replies? Your replies say no.
Why jump around to something new and unrelated instead of dealing with measured replies?
OK, so which laws did Abraham receive? There are about a dozen. You brought it up, so you list them.
I will then ask you why the laws of Moses were not attributed to "Laws of Abraham" who was not at Mt Sinai, and did not receive the two tablets? I think you have picked something out of a website that is leaving you with some tall 'splanin to do. Are you saying Moses was actually Abraham resurrected? Careful, trick question, an opportunity to dig yourself too deep.
I will then ask you why the laws of Moses were not attributed to "Laws of Abraham" who was not at Mt Sinai, and did not receive the two tablets? I think you have picked something out of a website that is leaving you with some tall 'splanin to do. Are you saying Moses was actually Abraham resurrected? Careful, trick question, an opportunity to dig yourself too deep.
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Well, at least, didn't you change one of the Commandments so that today your followers may keep another day?
"I tell you, as long as heaven and earth endure, not one dotting of an i or crossing of a t will be dropped from the law until it is all observed." Matthew 5:18
bumping this from the OP..
is heaven and earth still here?
"I tell you, as long as heaven and earth endure, not one dotting of an i or crossing of a t will be dropped from the law until it is all observed." Matthew 5:18
bumping this from the OP..
is heaven and earth still here?
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Who is the stranger and him that is not here with us today ? what covenants are being spoken about ?
Deuteronomy 29 King James Version (KJV)
29 These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
Deuteronomy 29 King James Version (KJV)
29 These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
Good question!
On March 7, 321, the Roman Emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:[SUP][23][/SUP]
On March 7, 321, the Roman Emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:[SUP][23][/SUP]
All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish.
Sunday keepers never realize that Emperor Constantine gave them the Sunday Sabbath.
Sunday keepers never realize that Emperor Constantine gave them the Sunday Sabbath.
Christians were not assigned a single holy day. The disciples began assembling on the first day of the week, you know, that day Jesus arose right after dawn, after the end of the High Sabbath which included the weekly last day of the week. He arose on Sunday. I arose with Him. Have you? I arose to new life in Chirst, and find assembling to worship Him quite fitting on the first day of the week, what men call "Sunday". Of course there is no "Saturday" or "Sunday" in scriptures, only the Jewish calendar.
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Mark 16:1-6King James Version (KJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.
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Is dawning here going towards the Sunday morning ?
Matthew 28:1-7King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Matthew 28:1-7King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
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Acts 2:46-47New American Standard Bible (NASB) [SUP]46 [/SUP]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, [SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.
In the early days of the Church the Christians continued to worship at the Temple. They found favor with all the people [the Jews?]
IMO this suggests that the early church kept the Temple schedule of 7th day Sabbaths and their behavior was in harmony with the Jews and found favor with them.
In the early days of the Church the Christians continued to worship at the Temple. They found favor with all the people [the Jews?]
IMO this suggests that the early church kept the Temple schedule of 7th day Sabbaths and their behavior was in harmony with the Jews and found favor with them.