Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[ELECT]

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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [/TD]
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Gal 3:25[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [/TD]
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Gal 3:26[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [/TD]
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Gal 3:27[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [/TD]
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Gal 3:28[/TD]
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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

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[TD="class: vRefb"]Col 3:11[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.[/TD]
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If the law is for Jew o well then

[h=1]Romans 2:27-29King James Version (KJV)[/h]27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

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[TD="class: vRefa"]1Co 3:3[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispa"]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [/TD]
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1Co 1:21[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [/TD]
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1Co 1:22[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [/TD]
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1Co 1:23[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; [/TD]
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[EbalT5]

Just throwin in an interesting tidbit...Islam (millions) observes Friday, most Christians (millions) say Sunday is the day, and very few observe Sabbath to YaH, with faith in Messiah YaHshua.

Is this the narrow gate?

 

[Jeff_56]

I think it is important to note that the women who found the empty tomb were still observing the Sabbath.

Is this the narrow gate?

Yeshua (Jesus) says it is part and parcel , and ekklesia intimately in union with ABBA don't struggle with it, having crucified the flesh and being living by faith in Yeshua, abiding in Him, in Him Who always kept His Own Word and always guards His Word, for ever and ever, amein. ("My Words are not burdensome"). (rather freeing and refreshing ! to ETERNAL LIFE!)

 

[Word_Swordsman]

If the law is for Jew o well then

Romans 2:27-29King James Version (KJV)

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

That's way out of context. Let's back up a bit to get the bigger picture. (my comments in parentheses)....
Romans 2:22-29 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

(the uncircumcision being Gentiles)

[SUP]27 [/SUP] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

(John 6:32-33 (KJV) [SUP]3[/SUP][SUP]2 [/SUP] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.)

[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Verse 28 makes a lot more sense with just a little context. No man is a true Jew in God's view that isn't also a follower of Jesus to the core. The Law alone can't make a new heart in him, but must be righteous of heart and soul, in the Holy Spirit (Christ in him), not relying upon the letter of the Law, a person God will praise before His angels and men. Nobody can be a true Jew inwardly without Christ in him, his hope of glory.

 

[ELECT]

That's way out of context. Let's back up a bit to get the bigger picture. (my comments in parentheses)....
Romans 2:22-29 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

(the uncircumcision being Gentiles)

[SUP]27 [/SUP] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

(John 6:32-33 (KJV) [SUP]3[/SUP][SUP]2 [/SUP] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.)

[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Verse 28 makes a lot more sense with just a little context. No man is a true Jew in God's view that isn't also a follower of Jesus to the core. The Law alone can't make a new heart in him, but must be righteous of heart and soul, in the Holy Spirit (Christ in him), not relying upon the letter of the Law, a person God will praise before His angels and men. Nobody can be a true Jew inwardly without Christ in him, his hope of glory.

a true jew would obey God cirumcising the heart thus chritians and Jews in Christ are true jews

[h=1]1 Corinthians 7:19King James Version (KJV)[/h]19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

thus you were saying the law was given to the Jews if you are a jew as stated in Romans you will follow the law

 

[ELECT]

That's way out of context. Let's back up a bit to get the bigger picture. (my comments in parentheses)....
Romans 2:22-29 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

(the uncircumcision being Gentiles)

[SUP]27 [/SUP] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

(John 6:32-33 (KJV) [SUP]3[/SUP][SUP]2 [/SUP] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.)

[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Verse 28 makes a lot more sense with just a little context. No man is a true Jew in God's view that isn't also a follower of Jesus to the core. The Law alone can't make a new heart in him, but must be righteous of heart and soul, in the Holy Spirit (Christ in him), not relying upon the letter of the Law, a person God will praise before His angels and men. Nobody can be a true Jew inwardly without Christ in him, his hope of glory.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

What law is that ?

 

[ELECT]

Galatians 3:19King James Version (KJV)

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now have a real good think about this one. If this Bible verse from Paul includes the ten commandments, then what was it added to? There's nothing to add it to, so this doesn't make sense. But if we separate the two laws as shown earlier, then this verse begins to make a lot of sense.

The 'law' in Galatians above is the ceremonial laws of Moses, written in the 'book of the law', and what Paul is actually saying is that the ceremonial laws were ADDED to the ten commandments UNTIL Christ would come and take the ceremonial laws away, as they pointed to Christ Himself. Why were they added?

They were added, as it confirms in Galatians above, because of transgression. What is transgression (sin)? ..... 1 John 3:4 .....'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.' Transgression of what law? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.


This is the basic fact about the two laws. The Bible ten commandments POINTS OUT sin, and the ceremonial laws of Moses was the REMEDY for sin. The ten commandments STILL points out sin, but Jesus is now the REMEDY for that sin. The ceremonial laws have now been replaced by Christ Jesus, as He is now our sacrifice and offering to God for sin. But the moral law of God, the Bible ten commandments still stand.

 

[Kerry]

Why was Rahab accepted into the congregation of Israel against the law?

 

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Gal 3:25[/TD]
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Gal 3:26[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [/TD]
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Gal 3:27[/TD]
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Gal 3:28[/TD]
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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

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[TD="class: vRefb"]Col 3:11[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.[/TD]
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19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Tell me does this makes sense
19 Wherefore then serveth the TEN COMMANDMENTS ? tHE TEN COMMANDMENTS was added because of transgressions ( THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE TRANGRESSED, ) till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[h=1]1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Kerry]

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of theLord for ever:

 

[ELECT]

Why was Rahab accepted into the congregation of Israel against the law?

Numbers 15:15King James Version (KJV)

15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.

 

[ELECT]

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of theLord for ever:

How long was the generation ?
Was not Ruth a Moabite ?

 

[Kerry]

Numbers 15:15King James Version (KJV)

15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.

Not according to my above post.

 

[ELECT]

Not according to my above post.

Did Rehab dwell with Israel after Jericoh destuction ?
[h=1]Numbers 15:14-15King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto theLord; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.

 

[Kerry]

How long was the generation ?
Was not Ruth a Moabite ?

Yes she was a Moabite and not lawful for her to enter the congregation of the Lord. Exactly what I'm talking about. I desire mercy and not sacrifice and whosoever shall call on the the Lord thy God they shall be saved and whosoever shall belive in their heart and confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus Christ shall inherit eternal life. Not those who keep Sabbath.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I think it is important to note that the women who found the empty tomb were still observing the Sabbath.

Impossible. They came upon it at dawn the first day of the week. The last day of the Jewish week began at sunset (our Friday) lasting until sunset (our Saturday) the end of the weekly sabbath. That put Jesus in the grave throughout the sabbath "day, then through the early morning hours of the first day, arising at sunrise (our Sunday) which began at sunset our Saturday.

Mark 16:2 (all KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Luke 24:1
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

John 20:1
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The Jews confirmed this.
Matthew 27:60-63 (KJV)
[SUP]60 [/SUP] And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
[SUP]61 [/SUP] And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
[SUP]62 [/SUP] Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
[SUP]63 [/SUP] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Jesus was crucified Wednesday, put in the tomb at sunset as required.
From Wed sunset to Thurs sunset is Day 1 in the tomb.
Thurs sunset to Fri sunset Day 2
Fri sunset to Sat sunset Day 3.
He arose at dawn Sunday. The women came to the tomb at dawn, the earliest legal time to be out of their homes, certainly not out during any part of the sabbath night 'curfew'.

The guard made sure Jesus didn't arise on any sabbath.

 

[ELECT]

Yes she was a Moabite and not lawful for her to enter the congregation of the Lord. Exactly what I'm talking about. I desire mercy and not sacrifice and whosoever shall call on the the Lord thy God they shall be saved and whosoever shall belive in their heart and confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus Christ shall inherit eternal life. Not those who keep Sabbath.

how long was it for ? till the ten generation ?

 

[Kerry]

how long was it for ? till the ten generation ?

A biblical generation is thought to be forty years. But not only was Ruth accepted for her faith but a great great great great grandmother to Jesus Christ.