Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?
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Since Mary was the wife or was engaged to Joseph wouldn't that make Jesus illegitimate?
Joseph was not his biological father according to contemporary Christian thought.
Doesn't this create a problem for Jesus?
Deuteronomy 23:2King James Version (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
Fortunately, for Jesus, Joseph was Jesus' biological father.
Joseph was not his biological father according to contemporary Christian thought.
Doesn't this create a problem for Jesus?
Deuteronomy 23:2King James Version (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
Fortunately, for Jesus, Joseph was Jesus' biological father.
The Sabbath day predates the Law so whether the Law is abolished or not is irrelevant.
Face the fact that all you have are snips of verses mentioning the first day of the week but no clear cut command to change the Sabbath day.
Be aware, as I pointed out in one of my posts, that the Emperor Constantine changed the Sabbath day by decree. Is Constantine your master? Or is the Pope?[the little horn that changes times and days]
Face the fact that all you have are snips of verses mentioning the first day of the week but no clear cut command to change the Sabbath day.
Be aware, as I pointed out in one of my posts, that the Emperor Constantine changed the Sabbath day by decree. Is Constantine your master? Or is the Pope?[the little horn that changes times and days]
Was the feast of Pentecost, when Jesus' disciples received the Holy Spirit, a Sunday back when Jesus died?
Jesus was executed on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is the next day after the day when the Passover lamb is sacrificed. Now Jesus was supposed to be dead 3 days and 3 nights and rise up on the third day.
Now if Jesus rose on a Sunday, count back 3 days in the tomb, and one day from the day of execution to passover. Now count forward 50 days and no matter how you count there is no way that Pentecost came on a Sunday that year when the disciples received the Holy Spirit.
So trying to tie Pentecost in with Sunday worship is not factual it is deception.
However, The Roman Catholic Church has rigged Pentecost so it always fall on a Sunday. According to Christian tradition, Pentecost is always seven weeks after Easter Sunday; that is to say, 50 days after Easter (inclusive of Easter Day). In other words, it falls on the eighth Sunday, counting Easter Day. Of course this is total deception.
BTW IMO Easter is a pagan holiday which has been blended in to deceive people.
Jesus was executed on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is the next day after the day when the Passover lamb is sacrificed. Now Jesus was supposed to be dead 3 days and 3 nights and rise up on the third day.
Now if Jesus rose on a Sunday, count back 3 days in the tomb, and one day from the day of execution to passover. Now count forward 50 days and no matter how you count there is no way that Pentecost came on a Sunday that year when the disciples received the Holy Spirit.
So trying to tie Pentecost in with Sunday worship is not factual it is deception.
However, The Roman Catholic Church has rigged Pentecost so it always fall on a Sunday. According to Christian tradition, Pentecost is always seven weeks after Easter Sunday; that is to say, 50 days after Easter (inclusive of Easter Day). In other words, it falls on the eighth Sunday, counting Easter Day. Of course this is total deception.
BTW IMO Easter is a pagan holiday which has been blended in to deceive people.
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Your ignoring, "which I commanded through him"
You said, " "don't eat from the tree" is that a commandment of Moses too"
You seem to propose that it's just a silly Mosheh made Law, Scripture says different.
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
You said, " "don't eat from the tree" is that a commandment of Moses too"
You seem to propose that it's just a silly Mosheh made Law, Scripture says different.
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
Do you accept the words of the Messiah as valid? Or are His words pre-Sacrifice therefore non-binding?
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
God does not instruct any Christian to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy unto the Lord. Jesus does not command us too, The Disciples did not tell us too. The Apostle never instructed us too.
my point though is if someone WANTS to keep it Holy to the Lord, because that is what they personally want to do, then do not forbid nor condemn them for it. And those who do desire to keep it. let them not condemn others because they don't.
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my point though is if someone WANTS to keep it Holy to the Lord, because that is what they personally want to do, then do not forbid nor condemn them for it. And those who do desire to keep it. let them not condemn others because they don't.
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I don;t understand how we can pick and choose Laws?
Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Are the first 4 Commandments not telling us how to love Yah?
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous." (Entole)
Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Are the first 4 Commandments not telling us how to love Yah?
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous." (Entole)
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is that the truth? there are no scriptures in New Testament about weekly Sabbath? Hmm, we read different bibles then. OK, how about examples...are there examples Messiah gave us? or apostles?..concerning weekly Sabbath?
I just want the truth brother, not man made "religion". Why is it judging others on my part, to say I love the Sabbath, and not judging others on your part to say there is no Sabbath day for believers? We are supposed to judge ourselves, then we can have a conversation without being offended at each other.
Maybe it really comes down to..we worship different gods, maybe that's why there are so many different religions and doctrines of man, it's the system.
I just want the truth brother, not man made "religion". Why is it judging others on my part, to say I love the Sabbath, and not judging others on your part to say there is no Sabbath day for believers? We are supposed to judge ourselves, then we can have a conversation without being offended at each other.
Maybe it really comes down to..we worship different gods, maybe that's why there are so many different religions and doctrines of man, it's the system.
Are you not picking and choosing which verses to believe and which ones to discard/void/interpret away? It is written we are no longer under the law. Those who claim we are still under the law to obey them, do most certainly pick and choose which laws they will follow and which ones they will not. Such as a law that states a menstruating woman is unclean, and it is a law to not touch her, or even tough her clothes, or bed linen. So do you pick to keep that law, or did you choose that law as not one to follow? Do we have to obey any part of the Old Testament?
The Question is "Is MY DOCTRINE, referring to what Jesus taught His Disciples and Christians. or the doctrine that was given to the Israelites to follow under the old covenant? The My doctrine, is referring to Jesus and what Jesus taught. And Jesus NEVER not one time taught us Christians to continue to keep the laws of the Old Testament.
Love has already perfected the whole law, but what is still in need of being perfected, if the Love has already perfected the entire law? Prophesies are not yet perfected, because they are not yet fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the whole LAW, completed them, Done with them. Jesus is not done with, nor has He completed the prophesies in the Old Testament. Therefore the Old Testament remains until which point all (ALL) the prophesies are fulfilled in them.
And those two commandments are exactly what we are COMMANDED to keep. It is written if you Love Me, you will keep my commandments. What then are His commandments? DO NOT listen to what men teach are His Commandments. Listen to the Word of God which PLAINLY teaches us what His Commandments are:
I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, (Pay Attention, The Word of God is about to tell us plainly what His Commandments are) That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
There it is. The Word of God tells us clearly and plainly EXACTLY what His Commandments are. DO NOT listen to anyone who tells you His Commandments are different than that, they know not the Truth, and are deceived, nor do they believe Scriptures.
No, the first four Commandments are NOT telling US (Christians) how to love. The first four Commandments were, of a Truth, telling the Israelites how to Love. Jesus and His Disciples taught us Christians how to LOVE, such as Love your enemies. Which none of the 10 Commandments taught that. Jesus and His Disciples taught us to forgive others, or we will not be forgiven, the 10 Commandments DO NOT teach to forgive. i will tell you the truth, i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and still burn in Hell for all eternity, because i failed to Love one another, Failed to forgive others. Believe the Word of God, NOT the words of men, who teach things contrary to what Scriptures teach. Scriptures teach and tell us plainly what His Commandments are 1) Believe on Jesus and 2) Love One Another. Those to things are what we are commanded to Keep. We are not commanded to keep any laws of the Old Testament, And those things that Jesus did want us to continue to do, He plainly told us to do them. Again, don't listen to any person who teaches something contrary to Scriptures, they do not know the Truth anyone who teaches anything contrary to the Word of God, does not know the Truth, no matter how loud they say they do.
The problem is not what the verse says, the problem is YOU believe His law, is to keep the Old Testament laws. That is not what Scriptures Plainly teach. His LAWS is this 1) Believe God and 2) Love One Another. That is His Law for us Christians to keep.
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The Question is "Is MY DOCTRINE, referring to what Jesus taught His Disciples and Christians. or the doctrine that was given to the Israelites to follow under the old covenant? The My doctrine, is referring to Jesus and what Jesus taught. And Jesus NEVER not one time taught us Christians to continue to keep the laws of the Old Testament.
Love has already perfected the whole law, but what is still in need of being perfected, if the Love has already perfected the entire law? Prophesies are not yet perfected, because they are not yet fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the whole LAW, completed them, Done with them. Jesus is not done with, nor has He completed the prophesies in the Old Testament. Therefore the Old Testament remains until which point all (ALL) the prophesies are fulfilled in them.
And those two commandments are exactly what we are COMMANDED to keep. It is written if you Love Me, you will keep my commandments. What then are His commandments? DO NOT listen to what men teach are His Commandments. Listen to the Word of God which PLAINLY teaches us what His Commandments are:
I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, (Pay Attention, The Word of God is about to tell us plainly what His Commandments are) That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
There it is. The Word of God tells us clearly and plainly EXACTLY what His Commandments are. DO NOT listen to anyone who tells you His Commandments are different than that, they know not the Truth, and are deceived, nor do they believe Scriptures.
No, the first four Commandments are NOT telling US (Christians) how to love. The first four Commandments were, of a Truth, telling the Israelites how to Love. Jesus and His Disciples taught us Christians how to LOVE, such as Love your enemies. Which none of the 10 Commandments taught that. Jesus and His Disciples taught us to forgive others, or we will not be forgiven, the 10 Commandments DO NOT teach to forgive. i will tell you the truth, i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and still burn in Hell for all eternity, because i failed to Love one another, Failed to forgive others. Believe the Word of God, NOT the words of men, who teach things contrary to what Scriptures teach. Scriptures teach and tell us plainly what His Commandments are 1) Believe on Jesus and 2) Love One Another. Those to things are what we are commanded to Keep. We are not commanded to keep any laws of the Old Testament, And those things that Jesus did want us to continue to do, He plainly told us to do them. Again, don't listen to any person who teaches something contrary to Scriptures, they do not know the Truth anyone who teaches anything contrary to the Word of God, does not know the Truth, no matter how loud they say they do.
The problem is not what the verse says, the problem is YOU believe His law, is to keep the Old Testament laws. That is not what Scriptures Plainly teach. His LAWS is this 1) Believe God and 2) Love One Another. That is His Law for us Christians to keep.
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[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
James made the point that the "rule book" was preached every Sabbath so he didn't have to spell out every detail. He only particularly pointed out issues that may have been discussed.
Done away?
Please look at this post (#68)
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...recious-words-one-saved-us-4.html#post1833617
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
Please look at this post (#68)
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...recious-words-one-saved-us-4.html#post1833617
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."