Ok, so what's the actual reasoning process you undertake to arrive at the conclusion "killing someone is wrong," and what does that even mean in light of your statement that there is no objective morality?
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Ok, so what's the actual reasoning process you undertake to arrive at the conclusion "killing someone is wrong," and what does that even mean in light of your statement that there is no objective morality?
I never said the atheists were all tyrannical or that tyranny is specific only to atheists. That's what you said. I said the communists are atheists. Atheism is a central tenet of communism. The early CCP and USSR governments were indeed atheistic and their goal to establish a borderless, classless, stateless, and atheistic society. You have to consider Marxism because Marxism is the foundation of Communism, literally Karl Marx invented communism as we know it for which Leninism, Maosim, etc. all are based from. Mind you we don't have to worry too much about them in our time given that they either had to morph or be consigned to history's scrapheap before you and I were born.
Hitler wasn't an atheist, Hitler weren't a Christian either. The Nazis were massively New Ager pagans that is very well documented if it was not outwardly apparant enough. Just look at their old footage with them carrying around swastikas and even the SS runes on their jackets. Lol probably my favorite story is how the highest rank nazi captured during the war, Rudolf Hess (the same whom Hitler dictated Mein Kampf to), was even captured cause he was a little too far into that astrology bunk. This is all well documented stuff, it ain't no secret.
If you want to fairly examine the subject of Christianity and Empire just look at your own nation, Britain. That be a fair equivalency as the British monarch has thought themself head of the Church of England for the past few centuries running. British history is full of intriguing stuff really, not all of it pretty either.
From previous posts of yours, I had the impression that you believed in free will... did I misunderstand you? Also, it sounded like you believed in a fixed morality (thus you could say that [stereotype bad person] was wrong, and talking about the issue was just plain silly. Again, did I understand?
cool! And that word 'fault'... if my car doesn't start, and it turns out to be the battery, I could say that battery's at fault. I wouldn't say the battery was evil, or that it had commited a moral breach... it just acts as the chemicals and particles dictate... If one person murders another, is it the same kind of fault that the battery has?
So, it sounds like tranquility isn't always a better state of mind than suffering.
So, if we all die, how is that bad? Or would you say there are other aspects to morality than 'to help suffering'?
It's hard for me to make since of this as well... but I think why ? One answer could be they were born of corrupted seed, " sons of God, daughters of men ". What Goliath was, " the DNA " was corrupted by fallen angels Cycel
The context of Psalm 137:8 shows that the expression of Psalm 137:9 would be recompense for a wrong that had already be done.
Psalms are in the literary genre of poetry and should be interpreted accordingly. We can look for figurative meanings and are less dependent upon literal interpretations.
A similar sentiment to Psalm 137:9 is found in Psalm 2 with Psalm 1 and 2 being foundational in the Book of Psalms.
Psalm 2:8-9 is pretty clearly a Messianic prophecy concerning the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and also speaks about "dashing in pieces" as harsh as that seems. In this case, the "Blessed" One doing the vindication is none other than Jesus Christ Himself.
"Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations as Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth as Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like potters’ ware." (Psalm 2:8-9)
Jesus Christ came the first time as a Suffering Servant and Savior-Redeemer. Jesus will come the second time as Messiah the Prince, the King of Kings and even as a military conqueror.
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Blessed be God, Who has not turned away my prayer, Nor His mercy from me! - Psalm 66:20
Psalms are in the literary genre of poetry and should be interpreted accordingly. We can look for figurative meanings and are less dependent upon literal interpretations.
A similar sentiment to Psalm 137:9 is found in Psalm 2 with Psalm 1 and 2 being foundational in the Book of Psalms.
Psalm 2:8-9 is pretty clearly a Messianic prophecy concerning the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and also speaks about "dashing in pieces" as harsh as that seems. In this case, the "Blessed" One doing the vindication is none other than Jesus Christ Himself.
"Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations as Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth as Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like potters’ ware." (Psalm 2:8-9)
Jesus Christ came the first time as a Suffering Servant and Savior-Redeemer. Jesus will come the second time as Messiah the Prince, the King of Kings and even as a military conqueror.
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Blessed be God, Who has not turned away my prayer, Nor His mercy from me! - Psalm 66:20
So if something happened tomorrow that totally disproved the existence of god... Would you suddenly turn into a robbing murdering rapist?
No, you would not.
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No but I would rob banks, but then again why not? If there is no God and no one to be accountable to then shoot rob, steal and kill. Why not?
But I know better and a thief is a thief is a thief. A thief will rob a train, but an educated thief will steal the train company and do it legally, why because the believe their is no God. Many company's have been stolen legally because they have no morals and where do morals come from Evolution I guess if there is no God. I Meant is man inherently good and if so where did we inherit from, I meant we used to hide in bushes and kill the next thing that walked by to have for supper.
Helping suffering by alleviating hunger by giving food is not the same thing as removing the human ability to suffer at all. Relate the means and the end together, because compartmentalization gives you false correlations of the ends being equally justifiable regardless of the means. That's what I'm saying.
The desire not to suffer unconsensually is innate in all of us. Nobody wants to hunger unless they have decided they will. Nobody wants to be whipped with a bull-whip unless that's your thing.
As for 'how can all of us dying be bad', well, I for one have a desire to survive! Don't you?
Do you want to suffer unconsensually? That is, would you think it a lovely occurence for someone to come in your house, rape your wife and murder you and your family? I wouldn't, so why would I want to do that to anyone else?
by your own admission nothing has totally disproved the existence of God....why doesn't everyone suddenly turn into a God fearing, God loving person...
Nothing has totally disproven Zeus, Odin, Wotan or Thor either. Shall we follow them too?
by all means if they call you...or you call and they answer...
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
(Speaking for myself,) I wouldn't change right off, but if I thought that it would lead to greater overall happiness, I would begin to develop anti-social behaviors...
Also, without a fixed morality, robbery, murder, rape are only wrong if you think they are...
There are many reason I don't take part in such activities. In some case its empathy for the victims or the children they leave behind, in other cases I don't want a criminal record or I don't want to spend a life in jail.. I'd much rather spend it with my family.
I don't see how god comes into any of that.
That should be pretty obvious. If you can't answer that question without God, you probably need God to keep you in check.
Lots of company owners and embezzlers and stock market cheats are Christians, Kerry. Legallytaking a company through certain less-upright means isn't theft, but it is immoral. You assert the lawmaker (God) gives man moral purpose. God is the one who appoints authority (as per bible). If that's so, then how can taking a company legally ever be immoral, from a Christian perspective?
I can answer that question in various ways from my perspective, though.
