OSAS true or false?

[The_highwayman]

I totally agree, I am free in Jesus. Hallelujah!

My point I was trying to make with...

"Thank you Father for knowing the hearts of man. We bow in awe of your Righteousness, of your Justness, of you Power. As your Word says, 'Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that you are God.' And thank you for coming after this one, and all of Your other 'ones'."

...is that God knows each person's heart, whether they are one of His or have turned from Him.

Indeed! Walking with Christ is simple and easy. God made it that way.

Some people just make it hard.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[The_highwayman]

By continuing on in sin. Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

You need to really apply proper hermeneutics and understand context....in case you missed it, Paul was asking questions in Vs 1 -3 and he answers them starting in verse 4 and this has nothing AT ALL to do with salvation and everything to do with that we are dead to SIN and alive in GOD and no longer slaves to Sin, but slaves of God...

Pick another proof text, because this one does not back up your doctrine.

 

[The_highwayman]

It's not a question of if they could possibly fall away, but when they would in fact fall away as prophesied by Paul, Peter and Jesus. Paul spoke of a falling away first and "that man" of sin being revealed. Paul was referring to the parable Jesus spoke here concerning "that man" and his last state; who was symbolic of a whole wicked generation that would fall away from the faith.

Matthew 12:43-45[SUP]43 [/SUP]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

This passage has zilcho to do with salvation either....really man, have you even read these passages or are you just pasting proof texts given to you in Sunday School class or the Sunday night Evangelism meeting?!?!?!?

 

[crossnote]

I need help with this question and a good answer for OSAS....please help....

O.K. I got to confess and ask a question at the same time. At my last fasting blood test I made a faux pas and forgot that in a few minutes I was going to get blood drawn. I wanted to get the blood test out of the way before all of the Christmas eating and there was the Nichols family party the next day so I had to get it drawn on that day.

Anyway my confession is that I tasted a graham cracker crust that had been in the freezer for a few months to test if it had freezer taste. I totally forgot that in a few minutes I was off to the lab for a fasting blood test... I panicked thinking I am going to lie.... They asked if I had eaten anything and I said no....I lied and feel horrible about it. So will I be forgiven if I ask for forgiveness knowing I lied? What are your thoughts?

I forgot. Were you the dizzy blonde? LOL

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You need to really apply proper hermeneutics and understand context....in case you missed it, Paul was asking questions in Vs 1 -3 and he answers them starting in verse 4 and this has nothing AT ALL to do with salvation and everything to do with that we are dead to SIN and alive in GOD and no longer slaves to Sin, but slaves of God...

Pick another proof text, because this one does not back up your doctrine.

If one is once enlightened and then turns, and continues on in sin then they have fallen from grace. Because grace is not the freedom to sin, but rather to be freed from the bondage of sin and death. This is the doctrine of Truth.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This passage has zilcho to do with salvation either....really man, have you even read these passages or are you just pasting proof texts given to you in Sunday School class or the Sunday night Evangelism meeting?!?!?!?

It has all to do with the falling away from the faith. Try to pay attention.

 

[passinthru]

2 cor 5.21 says you were made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus at conversion. Righteousness is position not personal performance.

Set yourself free man, you are righteous!

Big difference between 'condition' and 'position'. Our postion is blood bought even though our actual 'condition' during this present time falls short. It is all about what Jesus did and if we accept this by asking Him to be our very own savior He will walk right through the door to us. From that point we are saved . God's will is that all would come to know the truth that will set them free. He has given us a choice. Without having a choice we would not be able to make a decision on our own. Will we stumble after our conversion? Yep. He who say she has no sin is deceived. But God is bigger than that sin that so easily besets us. God so loved the world folks. Whosoever....we are all 'whosovers'. We seek His face more after conversion than before it in many ways as the new man within us wants to do that. Once saved always saved? What do I think? I don't think about it as I don't want out! This argument er uh sorry 'biblical discussion' has been going on since seemingly forever. Why? Some say " study to show themselves approved , rightly dividing the word of truth" Good quote but what merit is it when at the day it created divisions that are not profitable. MAYBE JUST MAYBE more would be drawn to true repentance if the ones on the outside of the body of Christ looked at us and saw more of the love of God in us than they do. How does It go? On esays "I am of Appolos" Today we could say similar things ...But.....To the lost and dying world it is the message of what Jesus did for us and them that really counts. Maybe I am in the wrong pew ..Dunno.

 

[The_highwayman]

It has all to do with the falling away from the faith. Try to pay attention.

Whatever....you and others have been saying stating its about falling away from salvation not faith....and I stand by my comments, you really need to apply proper interpretation and context.

I can take any verse in the Bible and create a PET doctrine about it....but I would be wrong.

The Charismatic Word of Faith movement has done that in spades....

 

[The_highwayman]

It has all to do with the falling away from the faith. Try to pay attention.

Matt 12.43-45 is about evil spirit oppression and not anything to do with falling away from faith or losing salvation.

I don't need to pay attention I just need to read the passage in CONTEXT to gain that understanding....

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Whatever....you and others have been saying stating its about falling away from salvation not faith....and I stand by my comments, you really need to apply proper interpretation and context.

I can take any verse in the Bible and create a PET doctrine about it....but I would be wrong.

The Charismatic Word of Faith movement has done that in spades....

Falling away from the faith is falling away from salvation, the interpretation is correct; but you can believe what you want. Have a nice evening.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Matt 12.43-45 is about evil spirit oppression and not anything to do with falling away from faith or losing salvation.

I don't need to pay attention I just need to read the passage in CONTEXT to gain that understanding....

Happy reading, good night.

 

[newbirth]

First and foremost the doctrine of Christ does not contradict itself. The falling away is not referring to falling away from eternal life, but of falling away from their relationship with God. To keep the scriptures from contradicting you have to understand that "salvation" by the Greek translation means "a deliverance". Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to deliverances we experience as we live our lives here in this world. Jesus's blood was effective in cleansing the sins past, present and future, of all those that God gave him and none of them will fall away from the security of their eternal salvation (deliverance).

if Christ blood cleanse the sins past, present and future, why does the scripture say .....
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;




2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

 

[The_highwayman]

Falling away from the faith is falling away from salvation, the interpretation is correct; but you can believe what you want. Have a nice evening.

Save it for your evangelistic meetings.....

 

[JGIG]

if Christ blood cleanse the sins past, present and future, why does the scripture say .....
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

How many of your sins were in the future when Christ did the Work of the Cross? If Jesus died only for sins that are past, then we're all out of luck.

Now look up the places where God says all (including every and excluding none), yes, all sins are forgiven for those who receive the gift of forgiveness.

-JGIG

 

[Mitspa]

How many of your sins were in the future when Christ did the Work of the Cross? If Jesus died only for sins that are past, then we're all out of luck.

Now look up the places where God says all (including every and excluding none), yes, all sins are forgiven for those who receive the gift of forgiveness.

-JGIG

"ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER".... All sin that was ever or will ever be forgiven was forgiven at the Cross....the Cross is eternal and its power is beyond the temporal age ....

 

[Kerry]

So if were a sinner and I went down to local Baptist church and I said I accept Christ and got dunked in water, I could do whatever I wanted to do and it would not be sin, Hey sign me up , cause I'm going to the bank.

 

[psychomom]

it would seem some of us (all of us? ) need a primer on God's Law.
it's not suggestions...it's demands.

and furthermore, demands we cannot meet..hence our desperate need of a Savior.
John Gresham Machen has this to say about it:
“Making Christ Master” in the life, putting into practice “the principles of Christ” by one’s own efforts these are merely new ways of earning salvation by one’s own obedience to God’s commands. And they are undertaken because of a lax view of what those commands are. So it always is: a low view of law always brings legalism in religion; a high view of law makes a man a seeker after grace.
(J. Gresham Machen, What Is Faith?, p. 141-142)

thinking we play some part in salvation shows what a low view of the Law we have.
thinking there's some self-sufficient moral endeavor we attain to
shows we think we are pulling it off.

this saddens me because i see the fruit of such. i get PMs from women who think God will cast them aside based on their performance.
but, guess what? it's not about our performance! (thank God!)
God doesn't accept us based on our progress. God only accepts Perfection.

who wants to thank God for the Perfect performance of Christ with me?

 

[Kerry]

God's law have faith in what I provide for you. Do you know what that is?

 

[ISeeYou]

Here it shows that it is the grace of God (not Moses) which teaches us obedience in the following

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

The grace of God that come by Jesus Christ is effectual in us towards sin in that the same will not allow sin to have dominion over you under it. The above does show what that grace teaches us (in respects to deny all the ungodliness above) and live godly in this present world.

Just one of the things Paul wrote Tim in respects to saving himself and them that hear thee

Paul says,

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Even as Paul practiced what he preached,

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Jesus also said...

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

That would be awful to preached to others (and gain the world) but lose oneself (or be a castaway). What is a man advantaged in that?

The last three seem to go together well.

Are there many people feel grace comes through Moses? Or these believe that grace of God teaches us an indifference to both sin and a continuance in those things it shows it teaches us to deny?

Good night God bless, Im hitting the sack here.

 

[Kerry]

OSAS, where is your faith, works or water dunking which is works or the cross.