Trinity?

VCO · Jan 6, 2015

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And those two that you mentioned are both within the singular DEITY, as well as the Holy Spirit:

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.

Exodus 8:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh and tell him: This is what Yahweh says: Let My people go, so that they may worship Me.

Exodus 34:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] The LORD came down in a cloud, stood with him there, and proclaimed ⌊His⌋ name Yahweh.

Exodus 34:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then the LORD passed in front of him and proclaimed: Yahweh—Yahweh is a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger and rich in faithful love and truth,

Deuteronomy 14:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] You are to eat a tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, in the presence of Yahweh your God at the place where He chooses to have His name dwell, so that you will always learn to fear the LORD your God.

And for proof that the SPIRIT IS ALSO GOD, read what the SCRIPTURES SAY:

Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

Hebrews 2:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

The three ARE within thee ONE GOD!

ChristIsGod · Jan 6, 2015

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth:
for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak:
and He will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine,
and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are Mine: therefore said I,
that He shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

ChristIsGod · Jan 6, 2015

John 14:16,17 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me.

After the Resurrection and before He ascended~ John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. :22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost

Acts 1:4-8 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith He, ye have heard of Me for John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt Thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

newbirth · Jan 6, 2015

VCO said:

you have not proven that God and the HS are two different entities...you have proven the HS and God is one and the same...which is what i have been telling you all along...He did not say you lied to the HS and to God....you can interchange HS and God in those two verses...because it is only one person identified by two titles....

Ephesians 2:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

VCO · Jan 6, 2015

newbirth said:

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THERE YOU GO AGAIN, falling back on your false assumption that WE do not believe that GOD is ONE ENTITY.

The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit ARE ONE ENTITY and that is GOD. Trinitarians have always believed that, the three personages are within the ONE DEITY, GOD ALMIGHTY. Three personages, three different functions within ONE ENTITY and that IS GOD. To make them separate, would make THREE GODS, which is what MANY who do not understand what we teach and believe, only THINK that is what we believe and teach. THEY and YOU are totally mistaken.

newbirth · Jan 6, 2015

VCO said:

1 Corinthians 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
is this false...??? does it line up with what you say??? you gave one bag with three bags inside ...how many bags do you have???one god with three gods inside...three plus one = four....and you make yoursel look so stupid...when you say they are not gods but personage...then in the same breath you say.... the person of Jesus is God ....the person of the Spirit is God.... and the person of the Father is God...when you put them all together you get God...

ELECT · Jan 6, 2015

newbirth said:

1 Corinthians 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
is this false...??? does it line up with what you say??? you gave one bag with three bags inside ...how many bags do you have???one god with three gods inside...three plus one = four....and you make yoursel look so stupid...when you say they are not gods but personage...then in the same breath you say.... the person of Jesus is God ....the person of the Spirit is God.... and the person of the Father is God...when you put them all together you get God...

[h=1]Psalm 110 King James Version (KJV)[/h]110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

ELECT · Jan 6, 2015

newbirth said:

you have not proven that God and the HS are two different entities...you have proven the HS and God is one and the same...which is what i have been telling you all along...He did not say you lied to the HS and to God....you can interchange HS and God in those two verses...because it is only one person identified by two titles....

Ephesians 2:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[SUP]18[/SUP]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Who moved on the face of the waters in the begining Why ?

How can the Father be in Christ and be in Heaven at the same time ?

Did Jesus send the Father to comfort us ?

Sophia · Jan 7, 2015

The Spirit the Water and the Blood agree in One, just as we are one with Christ through His Spirit within us, and Christ is One with the Father, and the Father is One. One God, 3 persons. Unexplainable, and yet undeniable when confronted with the weight of Scripture.

VCO · Jan 7, 2015

newbirth said:

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NO, I have told you the truth over and over again, about Trinitarian Beliefs: NOT ONE with THREE GODS inside, and NOT FOUR GODS, they really are all part of the SAME GOD, the ONLY GOD there is. We have ALWAYS taught that. HE manifests HIMSELF as FATHER and as SON and as HOLY SPIRIT.

YAHWEH is the FATHER and YAHWEH is the SON and YAHWEH is the HOLY SPIRIT.

You have a SOUL and you have a BODY and you have a HUMAN SPIRIT; but you are NOT THREE HUMAN BEINGS, you are ONLY ONE HUMAN BEING. That is LIKE what we believe and teach about YAHWEH.

New, I know why this sounds like foolishness to you. It can only be understood after you mourn over your sinfulness and surrender willingly to Jesus Christ, allowing HIM and the Holy Spirit to come into your heart as LORD, meaning you are giving Jesus Christ complete control of your life forever as KING of your life, literally YOUR MASTER. Before you do that, it will always sound like foolishness. That is because your Human Spirit has to born again into eternal life before you will have a Spiritual Mind that can understand these deep Spiritual Truths about GOD.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

newbirth · Jan 7, 2015

VCO said:

what you say sounds like foolishness because it is foolishness....God made man's body and breathe the breath of life into him and he became a living soul...
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

you still did not address 1Cor 8:6...that is what Paul spoke....it says one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ...that is all...God is not a jigsaw puzzle where does the scripture say God comes in parts???
you are talking rubbish....God does not refurbish...He Gives a new Spirit you let go of the old man...it dies when you don't feed it...even that you do not understand...how would you understand 1Cor8:6...that is why Paul puts in vs 7...you simply do not have the knowledge....you admit you do not have God spirit you have a refurbished human spirit...that is your own doing not God.....God says he gives a new Spirit... you have to put to death the human spirit(soul)

VCO · Jan 7, 2015

newbirth said:

No New, you really do need your human spirit to be born again, because it was born dead at physical birth, because of the sin nature that we inherited from Adam. When the Holy Spirit as HE enters you heart to take up permanent residence there, HE brings your once dead human spirit to eternal life, you will discover that you have a second mind at work in you, and it is a spiritual mind, not the one between you ears. It is with that spiritual mind that you understand spiritual TRUTHS in the word of GOD.

1 Corinthians 2:7-16 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

COME! Confess to HIM that you are a sinner and surrender control of your life to HIM, as LORD and MASTER. Willingly GIVE HIM the throne in your Heart to RULE over your life.

ChristIsGod · Jan 7, 2015

How about Romans 8 guys?

Tintin · Jan 7, 2015

ChristIsGod said:

What of it? Romans 8 is bursting with the Triune nature of God.

ChristIsGod · Jan 7, 2015

I Do Believe in The Triune Godhead, TinTin but our Brother NewBirth and VCO were who I was addressing that to - about "the spirit or Spirit" .... same greek word --- can be used for His Spirit or ours.

I think VCO and NewBirth knows what I mean.

You have not been following this thread - so you don't.

Tintin · Jan 7, 2015

ChristIsGod said:

That's good to hear. Sorry, mate. I get confused which Trinity threads I've been keeping up-to-date on. There are so many of them.

Kerry · Jan 7, 2015

Tintin said:

If I wear to come to Aussie ville would throw a shrimp on the barbie for me? I'm thinking that this could happen about June, cause I am in alternative fuels and Australia is hot on the map.

VCO · Jan 9, 2015

Bowman said:

NOT ALL JEWS.

Statement of Faith - MJAA

Statement of Faith - Who We Are - About Jews for Jesus - Jews for Jesus

Doctrinal Statement

Bowman · Jan 9, 2015

VCO said:

'Jews for Jesus' is a CHRISTIAN outreach group to convert Jews to Christianity.

Come on, bro...Jews inherently deny Jesus' deity & The Trinity.

newbirth · Jan 9, 2015

VCO said:

No New, you really do need your human spirit to be born again, because it was born dead at physical birth, because of the sin nature that we inherited from Adam. When the Holy Spirit as HE enters you heart to take up permanent residence there, HE brings your once dead human spirit to eternal life, you will discover that you have a second mind at work in you, and it is a spiritual mind, not the one between you ears. It is with that spiritual mind that you understand spiritual TRUTHS in the word of GOD.

1 Corinthians 2:7-16 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

COME! Confess to HIM that you are a sinner and surrender control of your life to HIM, as LORD and MASTER. Willingly GIVE HIM the throne in your Heart to RULE over your life.

you are quoting good scripture but commenting rubbish...man is a living soul (breath of life and body)...(flesh and blood)...(life is in the blood)...(the flesh is as grass)we have a mind of our own....God now gives us of his Spirit which we follow with our mind and we will receive a new body(not flesh and blood)if we endure to the end...where ever you got that garbage about human spirit take it back.... Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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