THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

[Hizikyah]

Well if your under Moses...keep all the Commandments ...if you under Christ Keep His Commandment....which is the only way to fulfill what the law demanded.

Spoken like a follower of the circus, for I know my Savior's words;

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

 

[Hizikyah]

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

 

[Hizikyah]

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Since this prophecy is STILL future tense:

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

This is still a valid Command..."remember"....

oh and I got you only for Israyl people covered:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

 

[Mitspa]

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[Hizikyah]

Since this prophecy is STILL future tense:

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

This is still a valid Command..."remember"....

oh and I got you only for Israyl people covered:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Happy happy fun sing song time!

"When He says remember dont say forget!

remember forget! ?!?!?!?

remember forget! ?!?!?!?

When He says remember dont say forget!

When He says remember IF you say forget

He says judgement and im sorry but your hit...."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Hizikyah]

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

LOL you ONLY quote Paul.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countlessb guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

 

[Mitspa]

LOL you ONLY quote Paul.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countlessb guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

I can tell that its really hard for some of you to believe the gospel...and you try to teach the law and cannot explain what parts of it are valid and what has passed away....and none of you keep even the parts you have decided you are under? You guys seem to obey no laws of God.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well if your under Moses...keep all the Commandments ...if you under Christ Keep His Commandment....which is the only way to fulfill what the law demanded.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not give just one commandment.

Everything that He said is a commandment and is directly from God, which is why He said if you don't do what I say then you do not love me nor do you love the Father. For His words are not His but are from God, so if you deny what He said then you deny God.

Jesus commanded repentance

Jesus commanded baptism

Jesus commanded forgiveness

Jesus commanded confession

Jesus commanded doing for others in need.......

Then He left the Apostles with this one major command that still applies today;

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”


Lord Jesus said go to all the nations, not just the Jews, and teach them to obey everything He commanded. Now you have false teachers all over the place saying you don't have to do that, or do this that He said. One false teacher I saw the other day even said nothing in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is for us. Crazy false teachers, that always ignore and write off the great commission.

 

[Mitspa]

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


Now what part of love leaves anything undone?

 

[Hizikyah]

I can tell that its really hard for some of you to believe the gospel...and you try to teach the law and cannot explain what parts of it are valid and what has passed away....and none of you keep even the parts you have decided you are under? You guys seem to obey no laws of God.

I quit taking you serious when I realized the are whole sections of the NT you will not even talk about.

False accusation, denial of the topic at hand, distractions, empty words, fake omni-presence, "panopticon master" Mitspa.

translated for you:

womp, womp,womp, womp, womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

 

[kennethcadwell]

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


Now what part of love leaves anything undone?

I know this Mitspa, but it is not the only command given by Him.

If you follow the greatest command to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind; and then follow the next one that is just as important to love your neighbor as yourself. Then all the rest will be fulfilled, the fulfilling does not mean done away with. It means you will walk how He tells you to walk, and part of that walk is the 10 Commandments that are no longer a written form of statutes/ordinances. But now an everyday way of life for you as they are written in your heart.
Paul confirmed and upheld the 10 Commandments as things a believer will still keep and follow, and I showed you a chart a couple days ago that showed each time he did that. We are not to treat them as burdensome, or unable to keep.
We are with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit to be confident through Him we can do all things.

 

[Hizikyah]

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


Now what part of love leaves anything undone?

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

1 (John) Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

 

[Mitspa]

I know this Mitspa, but it is not the only command given by Him.

If you follow the greatest command to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind; and then follow the next one that is just as important to love your neighbor as yourself. Then all the rest will be fulfilled, the fulfilling does not mean done away with. It means you will walk how He tells you to walk, and part of that walk is the 10 Commandments that are no longer a written form of statutes/ordinances. But now an everyday way of life for you as they are written in your heart.
Paul confirmed and upheld the 10 Commandments as things a believer will still keep and follow, and I showed you a chart a couple days ago that showed each time he did that. We are not to treat them as burdensome, or unable to keep.
We are with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit to be confident through Him we can do all things.

It is defined by the scriptures as His Commandment and if you already knew that you should also know that only in His commandment does anyone keep what the law of Moses demanded. All commandments are fulfilled in one word...love

 

[Mitspa]

I quit taking you serious when I realized the are whole sections of the NT you will not even talk about.

False accusation, denial of the topic at hand, distractions, empty words, fake omni-presence, "panopticon master" Mitspa.

translated for you:

womp, womp,womp, womp, womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp,womp, womp

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Wow you seem so "spiritual" .... lol

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[kennethcadwell]

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

1 (John) Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

How many times does the bible have to say if you love Him, or those who have eternal life will keep His commandments......plural !!!

Not one commandment, but more than one commandment.
As is the case that Jesus makes it clear all that He said is to be followed by a believer, hince all was commands. Then you have Paul who he himself upheld the 10 commandments, and did not just toss them away as no longer needed.

The part I still differ with you on though Hizikyah is that I do not believe we are to follow all the ordinances of the Mosaic laws as some have been changed, some done away with, and others not even mentioned under the new covenant.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is defined by the scriptures as His Commandment and if you already knew that you should also know that only in His commandment does anyone keep what the law of Moses demanded. All commandments are fulfilled in one word...love

Fulfilled as in walked in, not done away with.


Yes it does say His command, but yet that still is not the only command He gave.
He put emphasis on this command because by obeying and following it, you would follow and keep the rest.
Then He sent us the Holy Spirit to help us in areas we struggle to keep, and help us to abstain from sin.

 

[Mitspa]

How many times does the bible have to say if you love Him, or those who have eternal life will keep His commandments......plural !!!

Not one commandment, but more than one commandment.
As is the case that Jesus makes it clear all that He said is to be followed by a believer, hince all was commands. Then you have Paul who he himself upheld the 10 commandments, and did not just toss them away as no longer needed.

The part I still differ with you on though Hizikyah is that I do not believe we are to follow all the ordinances of the Mosaic laws as some have been changed, some done away with, and others not even mentioned under the new covenant.

Well of course all the commandments are keep in one word...love....but the word itself entole..in the Greek can be translated in the plural or the singular in any of the passages its used.

 

[Mitspa]

Fulfilled as in walked in, not done away with.


Yes it does say His command, but yet that still is not the only command He gave.
He put emphasis on this command because by obeying and following it, you would follow and keep the rest.
Then He sent us the Holy Spirit to help us in areas we struggle to keep, and help us to abstain from sin.

So its all kept in love...so whats your point?

 

[Mitspa]

What we know is that it cannot be that a believer is under the law of Moses and clearly the commandments John is speaking of are these...

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


Nothing profits but faith working by love....

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well of course all the commandments are keep in one word...love....but the word itself entole..in the Greek can be translated in the plural or the singular in any of the passages its used.

So its all kept in love...so whats your point?

My point is that you have called me a false teacher, and other things.
When all I have ever done in my teachings is show that a born again believer who loves the Lord will keep His commandments out of that love. This includes the 10 Commandments as Paul showed clearly that we are to uphold them, as he did. The 10 Commandments were only done away with as written ordinances, and then applied into our lives by Him placing them in our hearts to walk in as an everyday way of life.
Keeping them should be normal life to us, not laws or ordinances.........