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Jews that take The Son as their God & Savior are called Christians.


Galatians 2:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Romans 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Or is God for Jews only? Is He not also for Gentiles? Yes, for Gentiles too,

Romans 9:23-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And ⌊what if⌋ He did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy that He prepared beforehand for glory—
[SUP]24 [/SUP] on us, the ones He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Acts 14:2 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But the unbelieving Jews {as opposed to the believing Jews} stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.

Romans 2:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and ⌊true⌋ circumcision is not something visible in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter. That man’s praise is not from men but from God.

Two Folds, ONE FLOCK.
 
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Okay, I am back from Church.

NO, a man is born without his human spirit being eternally alive to the will of GOD.

In other words man is born a sinner, with a sin nature. And has no power to say no to sin.

His human spirit is only in tune with the will of the flesh, which is the same as being spiritually dead.



If he was talking about the flesh, it would not die and go to the grave, THEREFORE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MOMENT THE HOLY SPIRIT BIRTHS THE HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE.
so you are saying man spirit is alive to the flesh....which you consider as dead....and God gives you his spirit to make your human.spirit eternally alive...scripture does not teach that....you are right when you say man is spiritually dead......but God does not make that dead spirit alive...God gives of his own Spirit that we may follow and become sons of God...

John 1
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 

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so you are saying man spirit is alive to the flesh....which you consider as dead....and God gives you his spirit to make your human.spirit eternally alive...scripture does not teach that....you are right when you say man is spiritually dead......but God does not make that dead spirit alive...God gives of his own Spirit that we may follow and become sons of God...

John 1
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:6-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you
must be born again.

PLEASE OPEN YOUR SPIRITUAL EYES AND EARS!

John 5:22-24 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
 
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Galatians 2:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Romans 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Or is God for Jews only? Is He not also for Gentiles? Yes, for Gentiles too,

Romans 9:23-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And ⌊what if⌋ He did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy that He prepared beforehand for glory—
[SUP]24 [/SUP] on us, the ones He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Acts 14:2 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But the unbelieving Jews {as opposed to the believing Jews} stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.

Romans 2:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and ⌊true⌋ circumcision is not something visible in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter. That man’s praise is not from men but from God.

Two Folds, ONE FLOCK.

Entrance into Heaven has ALWAYS been via worship of the Triune God....and is open to ALL who have done so over the course of history.

This is proven-out in Revelation is the construction of the New Jerusalem....i.e....Tribes of Israel....disciples....THREE entrances on each of four directions....built as a cube (THREE dimensions).

So...the ancient Hebrew (Jews) remnant that worshipped God as Triune will make it to Heaven.

Jews that deny the Triune creator will be judged for such, and never make it to Heaven.

 
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Replying to the same post twice is an open admission that the truth disturbs you...
a human error ...I suppose that is foreign to you...but your response is a clear indication of how you handle information...what do you say to this...three times Jesus asked Peter the same question

John 21:15-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
 
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Entrance into Heaven has ALWAYS been via worship of the Triune God....and is open to ALL who have done so over the course of history.

This is proven-out in Revelation is the construction of the New Jerusalem....i.e....Tribes of Israel....disciples....THREE entrances on each of four directions....built as a cube (THREE dimensions).

So...the ancient Hebrew (Jews) remnant that worshipped God as Triune will make it to Heaven.

Jews that deny the Triune creator will be judged for such, and never make it to Heaven.

you are saying Paul is going to hell???
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 
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a human error ...I suppose that is foreign to you...but your response is a clear indication of how you handle information...what do you say to this...three times Jesus asked Peter the same question

John 21:15-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

The Trinity in action.
 

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Entrance into Heaven has ALWAYS been via worship of the Triune God....and is open to ALL who have done so over the course of history.

This is proven-out in Revelation is the construction of the New Jerusalem....i.e....Tribes of Israel....disciples....THREE entrances on each of four directions....built as a cube (THREE dimensions).

So...the ancient Hebrew (Jews) remnant that worshipped God as Triune will make it to Heaven.

Jews that deny the Triune creator will be judged for such, and never make it to Heaven.


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My understanding of what is the Narrow Gate is based on what the BIBLE actually SAYS:


John 1:12-13 (RSV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {not just profess} with your mouth Jesus as Lord{which means to willingly submit to HIM as Master}, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

1 John 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I am the LORD, I do not change;
Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

Romans 4:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.


O.T. Saints believed GOD, trusting HIM totally that Messiah the LORD would come.

N.T. Saints believed GOD, trusting HIM totally that Messiah the LORD did come.


Both are part of the Bride of CHRIST.

Jeremiah 2:2-3 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: "'I remember the devotion of your youth,
how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the desert, through a land not sown.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of his harvest; all who devoured her were held guilty, and disaster overtook them,'" declares the LORD.
Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.

Ephesians 5:25 (YLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] The husbands! love your own wives, as also the Christ did love the assembly, and did give himself for it,

Colossians 1:18 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.


TWO FOLDS, ONE FLOCK!
 
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Back to double-replies again....?

Not.

Impressed.
this is what I am talking about...two different posts two different response...but you see it as double....you are unable to process information correctly...
 
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Romans 4:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.


O.T. Saints believed GOD, trusting HIM totally that Messiah the LORD would come.

N.T. Saints believed GOD, trusting HIM totally that Messiah the LORD did come.


Both are part of the Bride of CHRIST.

Romans 4.3 references OT scripture.

Please show us this OT passage...
 

VCO

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Romans 4.3 references OT scripture.

Please show us this OT passage...

Abraham always wholehearted believed what GOD said, no matter what time or which promise GOD MADE. NOT JUST THE ONE TIME.

THAT IS THE POINT, wholeheartedly believing and trusting GOD is the PRIMARY characteristic of Abraham's faith, and THAT is why it says Abraham believed GOD and it was counted unto righteousness. THEREFORE, since GOD DOES NOT CHANGE, that is the standard by which GOD saves all men.

Do your own research, it is good for you.
 
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Sophia

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Entrance into Heaven has ALWAYS been via worship of the Triune God....and is open to ALL who have done so over the course of history.

This is proven-out in Revelation is the construction of the New Jerusalem....i.e....Tribes of Israel....disciples....THREE entrances on each of four directions....built as a cube (THREE dimensions).

So...the ancient Hebrew (Jews) remnant that worshipped God as Triune will make it to Heaven.

Jews that deny the Triune creator will be judged for such, and never make it to Heaven.

Totally unscriptural. Denying the very fabric of Salvation by faith.
 
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Tintin

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Totally unscriptural. Denying the very fabric of Salvation by faith.
No, it's not. It's very important who you put your faith in. Not three gods, not one God who plays three different roles, but one true God in three persons.
 
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Abraham always wholehearted believed what GOD said, no matter what time or which promise GOD MADE. NOT JUST THE ONE TIME.

THAT IS THE POINT, wholeheartedly believing and trusting GOD is the PRIMARY characteristic of Abraham's faith, and THAT is why it says Abraham believed GOD and it was counted unto righteousness. THEREFORE, since GOD DOES NOT CHANGE, that is the standard by which GOD saves all men.

Do your own research, it is good for you.
yes and based on the promise of a son even though he was stricken in age and his wife was pass the age of childbearing.(no menstrual cycle) he would have had to be having sexual relations with her in the hope of a son...and that my friend is a continuous act of faith by Abraham ....faith with works...not just wishful thinking...God promised him that he would be the father of many nations and he believed God in that aspect even when nature said it was impossible... and even so the new covenant is against the laws of nature...so there is no rebirth of a human spirit which by nature produces a natural man but the birth of a new creature...producing a spiritual man....

you also must believe that God gives you of his spirit to make you(that is your mind) a new creature and you will receive a new body at resurrection....in the mean time this body and mind must be kept without spot or wrinkle since it is become the temple of the HS...with our mind we serve the law of God and with our body(flesh) we serve the law of sin

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 
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No, it's not. It's very important who you put your faith in. Not three gods, not one God who plays three different roles, but one true God in three persons.
and these three persons you also call gods therefore three gods....you are just making semantics with words...
 
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Sophia

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No, it's not. It's very important who you put your faith in. Not three gods, not one God who plays three different roles, but one true God in three persons.
The doctrine is true, but not the significance place on the doctrine. A person can be saved without knowledge of, or any understanding of, the Triune nature of God. The requirements of Salvation, put forth in the Gospels and the Epistles, does not lay such doctrine as primary requirement, but as supportive facts.
We are saved by Faith in Christ alone: in His person (who He is) and His work (what He did).
By believing that He is the Son of God, the Christ, come in the flesh, without sin as the perfect image of the Father,
and that He died for our sins, and rose from the dead,
By belief in this we gain salvation.
The Trinity is not a basic doctrine, but a very complicated doctrine beyond human comprehension.
Only through discipleship and guidance/conviction of the Holy Spirit can we come to such a deep truth, which is not needed for the first steps of Faith, but readily accepted by those mature in Christ.

Of coarse it is Truth, as has been proven on this thread,
but to say it is part of the Gospel is based in prideful knowledge, not in Scripture. The Faith required is far simpler, and not based in gnosticism.