The law cannot make void the Promise

[InSpiritInTruth]

[h=1]Galatians 3:16-25[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[psalm6819]

I cannot but wonder at those who think thier sin is greater than the sacrifice of Jesus blood and the Lord would devalue the promises made to us who beleive.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I cannot but wonder at those who think thier sin is greater than the sacrifice of Jesus blood and the Lord would devalue the promises made to us who beleive.

I guess they don't understand the Love of God in Christ, and the power of God through His sacrifice on the cross.

 

[Hizikyah]

I think there is a proper truth between licentiousness and justified by works, It is called obedience to the Spirit, explained in the word....

Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John 6:63, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Romans 8:13, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of Yahweh, they are the sons of Yahweh!"

Ezekiyl 36:26-27, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep My Laws."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Here is a passage from Paul, about those that have been cleansed by the blood of Messiah:

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

I know I know if I dont go full licentious im considered "justified by works" BY MOST MEN....

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge, Yahweh gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual impurity, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, Backbiters, haters of Yahweh, despiteful, arrogant, and boastful. They are inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, And without understanding. They are covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, and unmerciful: Who, knowing the righteous judgment of Yahweh, that those who practice such things deserve death, not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them."

Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal, follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It is the Holy Spirit (the promise of the Father) that guides us into all truth and righteousness, just as God's living Word written on our hearts and minds is He who keeps us from sin, and on that path of righteousness if we listen to Him. The law of Moses could never wash away all your sins, nor could it give you that eternal life; but faith in the seed of Promise in Christ will.

Romans 8:1-48 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Hizikyah]

It is the Holy Spirit (the promise of the Father) that guides us into all truth and righteousness, just as God's living Word written on our hearts and minds is He who keeps us from sin, and on that path of righteousness if we listen to Him. The law of Moses could never wash away all your sins, nor could it give you that eternal life; but faith in the seed of Promise in Christ will.

It's ok, you can say it brother! His Law, or more accurately His Instructions are written on our hearts!
(Law sounds so mean!)

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Romans 8:1-48 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Why stop there? It is fully explained in the next 4 verses in that chapter:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it is not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It's ok, you can say it brother! His Law, or more accurately His Instructions are written on our hearts!
(Law sounds so mean!)

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah



Why stop there? It is fully explained in the next 4 verses in that chapter:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it is not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Memorizing Torah is not God writing His words upon your heart, but rather man just memorizing verses of scripture. The early Jews knew the scriptures, but yet they did not understand them. Why? Because they had not the Spirit of God working in them. A man who is still in the flesh can memorize scripture, but that does not mean the Holy Spirit has written Gods words upon His heart. A carnal interpretation of scripture, is still being carnally minded.

Also, written words on paper does not sprinkle the conscience of man clean of lustful thoughts, but God's Spirit dwelling in a man can. Except a man is truly born again he shall not see the kingdom of God.

 

[Messenger_of_Fire]

What does all of this mean? Say between a straight Christian and a gay man? How does one differinciate between the flesh and the spirit in this?

 

[Hizikyah]

Memorizing Torah is not God writing His words upon your heart, but rather man just memorizing verses of scripture. The early Jews knew the scriptures, but yet they did not understand them. Why? Because they had not the Spirit of God working in them. A man who is still in the flesh can memorize scripture, but that does not mean the Holy Spirit has written Gods words upon His heart. A carnal interpretation of scripture, is still being carnally minded.

Also, written words on paper does not sprinkle the conscience of man clean of lustful thoughts, but God's Spirit dwelling in a man can. Except a man is truly born again he shall not see the kingdom of God.

If I want to be saved should I throw my bible away?

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John 6:63, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

What does all of this mean? Say between a straight Christian and a gay man? How does one differinciate between the flesh and the spirit in this?

All men are firstborn of the flesh, and also lust after the things of the flesh. Even many who confess to be Christians are still living in the flesh; their words and works declare it.

Whosoever is truly in Christ will not be living in sin, for Gods seed remains in him. You will know a tree by it's fruit, be they good or evil.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If I want to be saved should I throw my bible away?

Absolutely not. But if you want to be saved, believe in Him who God has sent into the world, and let Him show you the way.

 

[Hizikyah]

Absolutely not. But if you want to be saved, believe in Him who God has sent into the world, and let Him show you the way.

Is that not what I have been doing? (It seems you imply or believe that I do not do that)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Is that not what I have been doing? (It seems you imply or believe that I do not do that)

Your words imply that you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you believe Paul's doctrine is in error as you have already suggested. Or if you believe certain meats can defile a man, this is not of the Spirit of Truth.

 

[Hizikyah]

Your words imply that you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you believe Paul's doctrine is in error as you have already suggested. Or if you believe certain meats can defile a man, this is not of the Spirit of Truth.

My ruler is Yah! My strength is Yah! My Salvation is Yah!

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey,his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony..."

Revelation 12:17, "...Laws.., and.. testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

2 Timothy 2:19, "Nevertheless, the Foundation of Yahweh stands sure, having this seal: Yahweh knows those who are His, because everyone who reverences the Name of Yahweh departs from iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Hizikyah]

Your words imply that you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you believe Paul's doctrine is in error as you have already suggested. Or if you believe certain meats can defile a man, this is not of the Spirit of Truth.

Where is the verse that says "thou must dine on trichinosis infested swine to be saved" ?

I must have missed that one?

Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men; discerning, will be hid."

Matt 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

 

[john832]

Absolutely not. But if you want to be saved, believe in Him who God has sent into the world, and let Him show you the way.

He did, He wrote it down so that I can read it every day and meditate on it.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
Psa 119:98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
Psa 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
Psa 119:101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
Psa 119:102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

 

[john832]

Your words imply that you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you believe Paul's doctrine is in error as you have already suggested. Or if you believe certain meats can defile a man, this is not of the Spirit of Truth.

Frankly, that is an accusation I would be very careful about bandying...

 

[Hizikyah]

He did, He wrote it down so that I can read it every day and meditate on it.

Psalm 1:1-2, "Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the unrighteous, nor who stands in the path of sinners, nor who sits in the seat of the scornful.But his delight is in the Law of Yahweh, and in His Law he meditates day and night."

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Paul was sent by Jesus Christ, and was also given the testimony of Jesus Christ, and was also anointed of the Holy Spirit. If you reject those whom the Lord sends in His name, you also reject Jesus Christ. This also is Jesus' words.

John 13:20[SUP]20 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Frankly, that is an accusation I would be very careful about bandying...

Those who reject those whom the Lord sends in His name are not of God's Spirit. These are the words of God.