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[JesusistheChrist]

Sure, one example is post #26 in my thread called "the law cannot make void the promise"

The comment was made, and I quote "No Law, no Salvation... " This statement suggests we are saved by the law.

Thanks, but I just read that post and I think (I'll have to read the entire thread when I have more time) that you misrepresented what the poster was saying. IOW, here's the full comment:

The Law that allows for blood Sacrifice to cleanse our sin is what makes our Salvation possible.

No Law, no Salvation...

It seems to me that the poster was suggesting that if blood sacrifice hadn't been ordained under "the law", then Christ could have never fulfilled the same by becoming the Ultimate blood sacrifice. Anyhow, even if that was what the poster was suggesting, then I'd disagree because blood sacrifice was in effect long before "the law" (I'm talking about what transpired at Mt. Sinai) came into effect.

 

[jaybird88]

Beware! Non-Pauline Christians are no Christians at all. They look like a lamb on the outside, but they speak with the mouth of a Dragon.

They deny the grace of the gospel in Jesus Christ by promoting salvation through the works of the law. Beware, they are working in these forums.

whats a Pauline Christian?

 

[ISeeYou]

whats a Pauline Christian?

Just google Anti Pauline messianics theres tons of sites, they believe Paul to be a false apostle, thus they are always taking the things he says and pitting them with other things in scripture according to how they understand that he has erred.

 

[kennethcadwell]

whats a Pauline Christian?

A Paulinian is one who takes and teaches a false gospel that Paul taught a different gospel then the Lord Jesus taught, and give him more authority over Jesus.
The truth is that all Paul did was be charged to carry out the same gospel to the gentiles, and was given more meat of the gospel to know. Which is why he gave the tons of lists of what a believer can not do, and the things that are to be part of a believers life.

Lord Jesus gave the milk of the gospel message, and told the Apostles/disciples there is more I need to tell you but you are not ready yet;

John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The part they were not ready to bear was the meat of the word given by Him through His Holy Spirit to Paul, which is the meat of the word of the many lists of sins that believer can not have as part of their life, and then the other things that will be part of your life and if not then you are not sons of God......


Paul taught the same gospel as Peter, as was taught by the Lord;

"Salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ given by the grace of God"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Thanks, but I just read that post and I think (I'll have to read the entire thread when I have more time) that you misrepresented what the poster was saying. IOW, here's the full comment:


It seems to me that the poster was suggesting that if blood sacrifice hadn't been ordained under "the law", then Christ could have never fulfilled the same by becoming the Ultimate blood sacrifice. Anyhow, even if that was what the poster was suggesting, then I'd disagree because blood sacrifice was in effect long before "the law" (I'm talking about what transpired at Mt. Sinai) came into effect.

What law was in effect from the very foundation of the world, and how were those prior to the law of Moses saved (if salvation comes by faith in the law) as suggested. Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Just google Anti Pauline messianics theres tons of sites, they believe Paul to be a false apostle, thus they are always taking the things he says and pitting them with other things in scripture according to how they understand that he has erred.

This is not absolutely true, as I do not believe Paul to be a false apostle.
But what I also don't do, is do like most Paulinian churches that I know of, and that is teach that Paul taught a different gospel then the Lord Jesus. Which is not true, as Paul taught the same gospel message of, salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ given to us by God's grace. Paul was just charged to bring that message to the gentiles, plus he was charged to give more meat of the gospel message.
Same gospel message, not another.....And he makes that sure by saying he or anther apostle, or even an angel of God can preach another gospel that was already given to them...

 

[ISeeYou]

This is not absolutely true, as I do not believe Paul to be a false apostle.
But what I also don't do, is do like most Paulinian churches that I know of, and that is teach that Paul taught a different gospel then the Lord Jesus. Which is not true, as Paul taught the same gospel message of, salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ given to us by God's grace. Paul was just charged to bring that message to the gentiles, plus he was charged to give more meat of the gospel message.
Same gospel message, not another.....And he makes that sure by saying he or anther apostle, or even an angel of God can preach another gospel that was already given to them...

I didnt have any problem with what you wrote in post #24 if a Pauline as if supporting Paul, I thought what he really meant was who are these non Paulines given he was speaking to InSpiritInTruth.

I have spoken with Non Paulines over the course of several years, I really dont know much of those who were baptized into Pauls name (called Paulines).

 

[kennethcadwell]

I didnt have any problem with what you wrote in post #24 if a Pauline as if supporting Paul, I thought what he really meant was who are these non Paulines given he was speaking to InSpiritInTruth.

I have spoken with Non Paulines over the course of several years, I really dont know much of those who were baptized into Pauls name (called Paulines).

That right there that I highlighted that you said would be a new one on me as well, because the Paulinians I have come across cancel out baptism......But even Paul said we are buried with Him into His death by baptism, so it is weird they cancel it out.....I guess if they are going back to baptism some have realized their error, yet still are committing error by being baptized into Paul and not Jesus; If that is the case........

 

[ISeeYou]

That right there that I highlighted that you said would be a new one on me as well, because the Paulinians I have come across cancel out baptism......But even Paul said we are buried with Him into His death by baptism, so it is weird they cancel it out.....I guess if they are going back to baptism some have realized their error, yet still are committing error by being baptized into Paul and not Jesus; If that is the case........

I was just spoofing on Pauls words

1Cr 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1Cr 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

Seems they were saying they were of certain men, not that that helped any down the line, folks will call themselves by various names of men as well as by Christ in order to divide, or set themselves apart

 

[Kerry]

ghes what, I seeze u 2.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I was just spoofing on Pauls words

1Cr 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1Cr 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

Seems they were saying they were of certain men, not that that helped any down the line, folks will call themselves by various names of men as well as by Christ in order to divide, or set themselves apart

Yes he was referring to those in Corinth, but if you go back to the book of Acts 19 Paul did baptize others.....

 

[ISeeYou]

Yes he was referring to those in Corinth, but if you go back to the book of Acts 19 Paul did baptize others.....

Yes indeed we see Paul baptizing others in Acts.

And again, yes the verses I quoted from are from the letter to the Corinthians, as far as my further commenting, I am also speaking of other verses found in 1 Corinthians

Heres all the verses I had just mentioned in brief

1Cr 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1Cr 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Cr 1:4 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1 Cr 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

1 Cr 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Here as well,

1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1 Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

1 Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1 Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

So all in the same epistle there.

God bless you

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes indeed we see Paul baptizing others in Acts.

And again, yes the verses I quoted from are from the letter to the Corinthians, as far as my further commenting, I am also speaking of other verses found in 1 Corinthians

Heres all the verses I had just mentioned in brief

1Cr 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1Cr 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Cr 1:4 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1 Cr 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

1 Cr 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Here as well,

1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1 Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

1 Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1 Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

So all in the same epistle there.

God bless you

Yes and we see the same thing even happening to this day in a broader scale, as we are baptized into Jesus.

I don't know how many times I have asked others how they were baptized, and the answer I got most of the time was;

I was baptized Catholic.....I was baptized baptist......I was baptized SDA....I was baptized Pentecostal.....and so on...

 

[RickyZ]

Oh goodie! Another OSAS thread, this time in disguise! Yippee!

Honestly, unless you intend to stand before God and say I reject You Lord, it's a moot point.

And those who find fear in debate - mmm, that speaks weakness upon your beliefs.

Jus' sayin'.

 

[ISeeYou]

Yes and we see the same thing even happening to this day in a broader scale, as we are baptized into Jesus.

I don't know how many times I have asked others how they were baptized, and the answer I got most of the time was;

I was baptized Catholic.....I was baptized baptist......I was baptized SDA....I was baptized Pentecostal.....and so on...

I was unconscious LOL

But yeah my parents felt they were baptizing me catholic

My H20 was catholic

Later in life when I come to Jesus Christ outside of the church I wanted to get baptized I just chose a number in the phone book of a church that was the closest to my house, they were baptists, but I didnt consider myself baptized baptist though. I never got into that sort of thing, I somewhat feared doing that.

I was even put off about having my name ever on a list (in any churches filing cabinet) as "being a member" of any particular church because I didnt want to give that way of being a member any validity, so I can be a strange one in certain things I suppose.

For me I dont like to answer certain questions because my answers might not be what is A typical in an answer LOL

 

[ISeeYou]

Oh goodie! Another OSAS thread, this time in disguise! Yippee!

Honestly, unless you intend to stand before God and say I reject You Lord, it's a moot point.

And those who find fear in debate - mmm, that speaks weakness upon your beliefs.

Jus' sayin'.

I dont understand your post

 

[ISeeYou]

ghes what, I seeze u 2.

I love my big eyeball

 

[kaylagrl]

All you have to do is look at any one of the numerous threads questioning eternal security. They preach a gospel of fear rather than of God's love.

Sorry but I disagree here.Bible says "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God." You cant lose salvation but you can use your free will and walk away.

 

[Reborn]

BEWARE of those who judge too quickly.

Hiz has been here for a year and a half.
Those attacking him have been here for a week.
Not a good way to be, nor a good way to start off on CC.

He has proven that he searches the truth out as best as he personally knows how. He is polite, friendly and helps those who are just as curious.

I agree, the issue with Paul he has is something we should talk to him about, and I can not defend him on it ---but a whole thread calling him out?
Do you know the guy at all?
Please try and show some respect to brother Hiz, the man deserves it.

 

[ISeeYou]

I think its pretty acceptable these days to throw an apostle of Jesus Christ the Lord under the bus, whether someone has been somewhere for one hour or 20 years, the acceptance of that just confirms to me the times we are living in.