Rupert Murdoch: All Muslims must be held responsible for French attacks

[Mitspa]

There you go at assuming and making false allegations against me again, as I said no such thing.
You do know bearing false witness is a sign of hatred and not love ???

There is a big difference, and I say big difference, in being tested and being tempted.
Go and learn the difference before making false baseless allegations on me or anybody else that may bring this issue up to you.

1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

[FONT=kepler-std !important]Romans 5:3-4

[/FONT]And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;

[FONT=kepler-std !important]Hebrews 11:17-19

By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; it was he to whom it was said, "IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED." He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.


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Well it sure did sound like you where saying its Gods fault for the muslims and we should just go along with this insanity because God did it? Maybe you should explain yourself better?

 

[Human]

This question is address by Paul and others ...and Gods answer seems to be "Im God" and we are not able to understand His intentions....I would say this...God called light out of darkness...if not for the darkness we would not love the light. If not for sin and our need for mercy the Glory of Christ would not touch our heart as it does. I know Gods love because I did not deserve it and somehow in the contradiction between light and darkness a part of God is seen and that would not have been sought by man.... But how satan bought such evil to the world is not clear and why God allowed it is not very clear either...but I think I see part of the reason...but no man dare blame God..He is beyond the blame of any man.

He isn't really. He's responsible and should bear the entireity of blame. If I make a creation within boundaries that I myself will create, and I create such a thing knowing the boundaries I have set on its abilities are not stringent enough for it to remain a good and upright creation, yet I expect it to be good and upright at all times, I'm asking of it what I have created it without the ability to do.

''Any man who says he has not sin, is a liar, and the truth is not in him''.

That's irresponsible craftmanship in my eyes, if of course an ultimate craftman exists. Which I doubt for various reasons.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well it sure did sound like you where saying its Gods fault for the muslims and we should just go along with this insanity because God did it? Maybe you should explain yourself better?

I explain myself just fine, it was you who read to much into what I said.
You need to take accountability for your own mistake, instead of trying to twist it back around on another. That is the process of being a born again believer, acknowledging your own faults and dealing with them. Take the plank out of your own eye, before helping others with the plank that is in theirs.....
As the bible clearly says that God tests us, and if something evil has to take place to continue to fulfill His will. Then God will allow it, no matter what you do or think......

 

[AnnaBou]

He isn't really. He's responsible and should bear the entireity of blame. If I make a creation within boundaries that I myself will create, and I create such a thing knowing the boundaries I have set on its abilities are not stringent enough for it to remain a good and upright creation, yet I expect it to be good and upright at all times, I'm asking of it what I have created it without the ability to do.

''Any man who says he has not sin, is a liar, and the truth is not in him''.

That's irresponsible craftmanship in my eyes, if of course an ultimate craftman exists. Which I doubt for various reasons.

What God has made is beautiful. If we accept God's love we make the most of it, but we are all on a journey to God's design.

 

[Mitspa]

I explain myself just fine, it was you who read to much into what I said.
You need to take accountability for your own mistake, instead of trying to twist it back around on another. That is the process of being a born again believer, acknowledging your own faults and dealing with them. Take the plank out of your own eye, before helping others with the plank that is in theirs.....
As the bible clearly says that God tests us, and if something evil has to take place to continue to fulfill His will. Then God will allow it, no matter what you do or think......

Ok I forgive you

 

[Mitspa]

He isn't really. He's responsible and should bear the entireity of blame. If I make a creation within boundaries that I myself will create, and I create such a thing knowing the boundaries I have set on its abilities are not stringent enough for it to remain a good and upright creation, yet I expect it to be good and upright at all times, I'm asking of it what I have created it without the ability to do.

''Any man who says he has not sin, is a liar, and the truth is not in him''.

That's irresponsible craftmanship in my eyes, if of course an ultimate craftman exists. Which I doubt for various reasons.

So its Gods fault...lol Ok you take that to the judgment throne...Im sure He will say you have the right to judge Him and give you a pass into heaven.... How can you quote the scriptures of a God you do not honor and believe you should judge? Maybe you need to write a book and then you can quote it ....like mohamid.... you sound like you think your god?

Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ok I forgive you

Still not acknowledging your own faults !!!
I will pray to God for you my brother for understanding and guidance.........

 

[Human]

So its Gods fault...lol Ok you take that to the judgment throne...Im sure He will say you have the right to judge Him and give you a pass into heaven.... How can you quote the scriptures of a God you do not honor and believe you should judge? Maybe you need to write a book and then you can quote it ....like mohamid.... you sound like you think your god?

Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

I can do so because we're a human species whose blind attachment to regressive sociopolitical and moral ideologies is detrimental to the progression of our race. There is no judgement throne, there is just a dangerous desire to attribute authority to a fear-inducing exterior power for effective furtherance of ones' own sociopoltical ideologies, regardless of how humanly immoral they are. There is no Judeo-Christian creator-God in the sky making the minutae of human behaviour his primary focus, there is a tool of oppression ceated by mysoginistic men who needed jusitifcation to subjugate, control and assert themselves regardless of the inequality and immorality in such function.

You get angry because I won't submit to your rules. I get angry because you refuse to accept you aren't the authority of all people. If you stopped controlling women, stopped propagating the idea that men are superior, stopped hatred towards people who make different lifestyle choices than you, stopped assuming your ultimate superiority in sociopolitical and iedological contexts, stopped justifying a book that commands murder in and throughout, stopped asserting blasphemically that torture is a form of love, stopped brainwashing, subjugating and indoctrination children into fear-perpetuated self-hating spirals of grief and anxiety, stopped confining our species to the deontologies of your blind tyranny, then perhaps I might stop coming on here to say a thing to you about it.

As for now, I'm here.

 

[Sirk]

Still not acknowledging your own faults !!!
I will pray to God for you my brother for understanding and guidance.........

I'm wondering if you saw the irony in telling mitspa to get "log out of his own eye". Lol

 

[Sirk]

I can do so because we're a human species whose blind attachment to regressive sociopolitical and moral ideologies is detrimental to the progression of our race. There is no judgement throne, there is just a dangerous desire to attribute authority to a fear-inducing exterior power for effective furtherance of ones' own sociopoltical ideologies, regardless of how humanly immoral they are. There is no Judeo-Christian creator-God in the sky making the minutae of human behaviour his primary focus, there is a tool of oppression ceated by mysoginistic men who needed jusitifcation to subjugate, control and assert themselves regardless of the inequality and immorality in such function.

You get angry because I won't submit to your rules. I get angry because you refuse to accept you aren't the authority of all people. If you stopped controlling women, stopped propagating the idea that men are superior, stopped hatred towards people who make different lifestyle choices than you, stopped assuming your ultimate superiority in sociopolitical and iedological contexts, stopped justifying a book that commands murder in and throughout, stopped asserting blasphemically that torture is a form of love, stopped brainwashing, subjugating and indoctrination children into fear-perpetuated self-hating spirals of grief and anxiety, stopped confining our species to the deontologies of your blind tyranny, then perhaps I might stop coming on here to say a thing to you about it.

As for now, I'm here.

Im curious as to how following the principles in scripture is detrimental to "the progression of our race" vs putting man in the place of God and it's obvious detriment to the human race.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No it doesn't. Reality is objective and people either conform or fail to conform to reality to whatever extent they actually do or do not.

Islam is a violent false religious cult because it is a violent false religious cult. Whether or not drone strikes are launched to combat Islamic international terrorism, Muslims historically have and presently continue to engage in violence to further Islam in adherence with the epistemology to do so and the perceived eternal rewards Islam posits for doing so.

It's extremely easy, it seems, to justify Islamic terrorism by playing blame games, The West shouldn't have bombed the leaders of radical extremist Islamic terrorist organizations then, should they!", but alas, that's the nature of Islam. Meaning, externalities can exacerbate their behavior but the behavior is inherent in the worldview.

It depends on what soil you stand and what side of the fence you look on. To quite a few noncombatant Muslims (about half a million or so) who had to duck under drone strikes and ended up in the ground, the people firing from the drone are the biggest threat to world peace.

It's extremey easy, it seems, to justify such occurences by playing blame games ''The Muslims shouldn't have bombed the towers then, should they!'', but alas, that's the nature of human partisanship. ''You started it!'', ''No you did, it's your fault!'', ''No, its YOUR fault''.

It is a bit wearisome, and I'm only 24.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I'm wondering if you saw the irony in telling mitspa to get "log out of his own eye". Lol

What irony as I acknowledge my faults before our Lord, as a born again believe is suppose to do.
He kept making false allegations toward me by saying stuff I never said, and this is not the first or even second or third time he has done this to me or others. So there is no irony to tell him to acknowledge his faults before the Lord, instead of continuing to try and blame others constantly. The Lord even says to do this.....

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

He's blaming God for the existence of evil asserting that God created evil and therefore is to blame for it but that's a false assertion. God did not create evil. God created freewill (to accomplish greater eternal good). It's not the same thing.

See James 1:13 and read some of the great commentary on the problem of evil by Christian theologians. Here's a suggested starting point 'Why I Still Believe in Christ, in Spite of Evil and Suffering' by John Feinberg.

I also recommend Feinberg's 'The Many Faces of Evil (Revised and Expanded Edition): Theological Systems and the Problems of Evil.'

Not really pertinent. Just another way of asking if God can make something too heavy for him to lift.

God says to you..."where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth"?

 

[Mitspa]

I can do so because we're a human species whose blind attachment to regressive sociopolitical and moral ideologies is detrimental to the progression of our race. There is no judgement throne, there is just a dangerous desire to attribute authority to a fear-inducing exterior power for effective furtherance of ones' own sociopoltical ideologies, regardless of how humanly immoral they are. There is no Judeo-Christian creator-God in the sky making the minutae of human behaviour his primary focus, there is a tool of oppression ceated by mysoginistic men who needed jusitifcation to subjugate, control and assert themselves regardless of the inequality and immorality in such function.

You get angry because I won't submit to your rules. I get angry because you refuse to accept you aren't the authority of all people. If you stopped controlling women, stopped propagating the idea that men are superior, stopped hatred towards people who make different lifestyle choices than you, stopped assuming your ultimate superiority in sociopolitical and iedological contexts, stopped justifying a book that commands murder in and throughout, stopped asserting blasphemically that torture is a form of love, stopped brainwashing, subjugating and indoctrination children into fear-perpetuated self-hating spirals of grief and anxiety, stopped confining our species to the deontologies of your blind tyranny, then perhaps I might stop coming on here to say a thing to you about it.

As for now, I'm here.

Oh so your an atheist? You sound mad about something? Are you mad because you come onto a "Christian" forum and there are Christians here? lol

 

[Mitspa]

I'm wondering if you saw the irony in telling mitspa to get "log out of his own eye". Lol

No he can see very well.... We have a history of disagreeing ...I think he really just come on this thread to disagree with me?

 

[Mitspa]

What irony as I acknowledge my faults before our Lord, as a born again believe is suppose to do.
He kept making false allegations toward me by saying stuff I never said, and this is not the first or even second or third time he has done this to me or others. So there is no irony to tell him to acknowledge his faults before the Lord, instead of continuing to try and blame others constantly. The Lord even says to do this.....

Well maybe I didn't hear you acknowledge your faults to God? You should have apologized to me first or soon after, so I would know you was sorry...but I already said I forgive you...now lets stay on topic

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well maybe I didn't hear you acknowledge your faults to God? You should have apologized to me first or soon after, so I would know you was sorry...but I already said I forgive you...now lets stay on topic

Why do I need to apologize to you ?

You were the one who kept reading more into what I said and making false allegations on me, that I was calling you out on. I have in no way called you names, condemned you, or made false allegations toward you. So where you get I need to apologize to you, I don't know where that comes from. However your false allegations toward me and others should be apologized for by you.
Second you don't have to hear me acknowledge my faults, because they were not toward you.
I only have to acknowledge my faults to Him, and apologize to those who I offended. If you were ever offended by what I said, then it was the Word of God that offended you, not me. For all I have ever done is post scripture, and context from that scripture without being negative, and not being hateful toward you. You turn around though and give negative responses back, with false quoting of what the person said.

Saying I forgive you is not apologizing for what you have done.........................

 

[Mitspa]

Why do I need to apologize to you ?

You were the one who kept reading more into what I said and making false allegations on me, that I was calling you out on. I have in no way called you names, condemned you, or made false allegations toward you. So where you get I need to apologize to you, I don't know where that comes from. However your false allegations toward me and others should be apologized for by you.
Second you don't have to hear me acknowledge my faults, because they were not toward you.
I only have to acknowledge my faults to Him, and apologize to those who I offended. If you were ever offended by what I said, then it was the Word of God that offended you, not me. For all I have ever done is post scripture, and context from that scripture without being negative, and not being hateful toward you. You turn around though and give negative responses back, with false quoting of what the person said.

Saying I forgive you is not apologizing for what you have done.........................

Just relax Kenneth...its ok Lets keep on topic

 

[Ozmono]

I guess Ozmono. But you're still saying things that aren't true while missing the point with respect to what Islam is.

For example, you say "people (some) start suggesting Muslims should be eradicated as a whole." Who? All I saw was one person use the word "deleted," and since he's a Christian and Christianity is a worldview set against murder, it's quite a stretch to assume he's speaking of genocide. I took it to mean he was speaking of deleting Muslims by exposing them to the Gospel of Jesus Christ for their conversion and educating them as to why the religious system they grew up with is false in combination with ending their immigration to the West and ultimately repatriating those who continue in Islam.

But if you don't believe that, then call him out make him qualify his statement. Send him an email to make sure he knows he's being called on what he said. That's the wise thing to do. There's far too much assumption at work in these threads.

If it turns out that he actually was advocating for what you assumed, then read him the riot act. I'll join you in doing so. It will be a teachable moment for him. Anyone that claims to be a genuine Christian cannot, by definition, be an advocate for genocide (e.g. the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation).

But as I stated, you also have to come to grips with what Islam is: both epistemologically and historically. Genocide, democide, human slavery, totalitarian oppression under Sharia etc... is all presently advocated, justified, and practiced on a global scale in Islam by Muslims wherever they can amass the power to do so.

In the 20th century, state atheism under Marxism was the greatest threat to liberty and world peace. In the 21st century, it is Islam.

I actually said "threads like these" and when people start "suggesting" but I apologize for it all the same because it still wasn't entirely fair/clear. Now the other thing you say is I am "missing the point with respect to what Islam is. " You say this after telling me the same thing about Christianity. You told me that I am taking things out of context with little attempt (you sent me a link which I don't regard very highly) to correct them. This is relevant because I was raised a Christian and have continued to try and understand it. Whilst Islam on the other hand I have made very little attempt. That said I have witnessed some of the diversity of Christianity and it's beliefs, I have lesser accounts but have also witnessed diversity of Islam. There are peaceful Muslims. The whole point is you can't judge or hold an entire group of people responsible for the actions of some. This applies to Christianity as much as Islam.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You had the integrity to admit you have little knowledge of the bible or Islam so please do not get angry when I point out how your posts do not accurately represent either the Christian worldview or the Islamic worldview.

And listen to what I'm saying. I stated in #144 that, "I do agree with you that holding innocent people accountable for what guilty people do is unbiblical..."

I'm not stating all Muslims are responsible for what some Muslims do. I'm not stating Robert's assertion was correct. I've already stated they are not and that Robert's assertion is false in this thread.

But that doesn't mean that Islam is not an inherently violent wicked fabricated false religious system that poses a danger to non-Muslims wherever Muslims gain enough power to pose a threat because, in fact, it does and both historically and presently they do.

Peaceful Muslims consist of three groups: nominal Muslims, non-orthodox Muslims, and orthodox Muslims operating in a preparatory stage. WATCH:

[video=youtube_share;ERou_Q5l9Gw]http://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw[/video]

My friend, Nazism is not a peaceful worldview because some Nazis live peacefully at present lacking the power to actively accomplish the objectives inherent in their worldview and neither is Islam.

By contrast, Christianity takes a high view of the Imago Dei and only permits life taking in self-defense when necessary, in capital punishment for the crime of murder, and in just war (e.g. undertaken when necessary and always with the goal to reestablish justice and the restoration of peace. It must be fought under the authority of the legitimate ruler and be conducted in a just manner).

Now the other thing you say is I am "missing the point with respect to what Islam is. " You say this after telling me the same thing about Christianity. You told me that I am taking things out of context with little attempt (you sent me a link which I don't regard very highly) to correct them. This is relevant because I was raised a Christian and have continued to try and understand it. Whilst Islam on the other hand I have made very little attempt. That said I have witnessed some of the diversity of Christianity and it's beliefs, I have lesser accounts but have also witnessed diversity of Islam. There are peaceful Muslims. The whole point is you can't judge or hold an entire group of people responsible for the actions of some. This applies to Christianity as much as Islam.