What is wormwood?
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This time I've read your full post. And there is a connection, but it is still an indirect connection. Wormwood symbolizes bitterness. Sure, adultery can be bitter. So it's always a possibility that it's connected with the wormwood in Revelation. But it could also be connected to something else that is bitter. Maybe since it's a punishment it's just saying the punishment is bitter. Or maybe it really is bitter water the people are drinking. If so this would be the closest connection wormwood would have with adultery. It would be like the people had committed adultery so God was giving them bitter water to drink as a curse. However, the results are not the same as when a woman drank the cursed water. When the woman drank the cursed water her thigh would rot and her stomach would swell. But the people in Revelation are dying.
I don't know what exactly the wormwood in Revelation is supposed to represent. But maybe if I can get some questions answered it would help. So let's first start with what we know:
1. Here the punishment of the people is a curse in the form of Wormwood.
2. Wormwood is symbolic of bitterness.
3. An adulterous woman who drank bitter water would receive a curse.
4. If we stick with the analogy, the disobedience of the people seems to be adultery and the punishment for this adultery would be the bitter water that brings a curse (Wormwood then being specifically the curse).
5. So a curse is placed on the waters.
6. The waters don't seem to be symbolic of people, because regular people are differentiated from the water.
In short, Wormwood is the punishment of the people for their disobedience it seems. And that disobedience might be adultery. I'd still like to see how adultery could possibly be the punishment instead of the cause that brings it. If we look closer, though, we can see why the star is named Wormwood:
No one's ever shown how Wormwood is symbolic of adultery but only bitterness. I think that much is apparent. If the Bible talks about adultery being bitter or like wormwood you'll have a better case. In fact it's entirely possible for someone who has had no training in obedience to God's laws in this licentious modern world to put their impulses first and give in to adultery. Then the situation could be that those who don't hold themselves to a stricter standard by obeying God's laws are more impulsive and more easily overcome and their punishment then being adultery. But I don't see the connection in Revelation yet.
Thank you for posting this thread and all of the helpful information! All real Christians will study this as good little Bereans, and I'm sure will be enlightened to things we never knew before. I pray Yahweh's blessings on you for having the courage to post something that will step on so many toes of so many professing Christians.
Just because she has a correct view of being saved every single day and it isn't a one-time shot and you're in the elite group that calls themselves "Christians", does not give you license to be rude or hateful.
this genetically modified snow might be worm wood, but i don't know. i heard years ago that the nukes are wormwood, but what the video says makes a lot of sense. nice post op.
"those who keep the torah ..."
First off only one person "kept the torah" and his name is Jesus Christ, my knowledge and belief in Him does not save me. My attempt to "keep the torah" does not save me. God saved humanity without the help of anyone. Nothing I say or do can change God and his salvation of humnanity. I can turn from hatred and evilness and follow Jesus in love or I can remain in hatred and evilness perishing from his presense. The choice is the same for all humanity.
This precept that I must keep the torah as defined by some cult is not from God. God does not hide in a corner and reveal his truth to a few, rather God shines forth his gospel to all world. Obedience to God is believing in the one whom He has sent. If you want to 'keep the torah" as you believe God has revealed it to you, then keep it and do not stumble for to you it would be sin. But I would rebuke you if you demanded others to follow your cultic faith as being the only way to God. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. No observance of some set of rules can save you. God is our salvation, not some cults interpretation of scripture.
First off only one person "kept the torah" and his name is Jesus Christ, my knowledge and belief in Him does not save me. My attempt to "keep the torah" does not save me. God saved humanity without the help of anyone. Nothing I say or do can change God and his salvation of humnanity. I can turn from hatred and evilness and follow Jesus in love or I can remain in hatred and evilness perishing from his presense. The choice is the same for all humanity.
This precept that I must keep the torah as defined by some cult is not from God. God does not hide in a corner and reveal his truth to a few, rather God shines forth his gospel to all world. Obedience to God is believing in the one whom He has sent. If you want to 'keep the torah" as you believe God has revealed it to you, then keep it and do not stumble for to you it would be sin. But I would rebuke you if you demanded others to follow your cultic faith as being the only way to God. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. No observance of some set of rules can save you. God is our salvation, not some cults interpretation of scripture.
the reason i said something about the snow, i had heard something so i went to see for myself. i can't say the snow is like the snow here is every where, but i went out and grabbed a snow ball, then put a flame to it, and all i could smell was burning plastic.
Does the following, from Romans 8, tell you anything at all? Rom 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
What does anyone suppose it is to not live after the flesh? What is it to mortify the body?
Living after the spirit nullifies living after the flesh, and the new nature filled by the Holy Spirit gives the grace and ability to combat those desires of the flesh, that is, every form of lust. The grace is to compensate for all the times we weaken, trusting Yeshua to complete our perfection, for no man can perfect himself.
Mortifying the body is much as mentioned already however the only reference any human has for mortifying one's body would be the law, no longer having power over us, but we have gained because of the defeat of its curse, death. Death has lost its sting.
If you are truly in Messiah, you already know your greatest desire is to please Him, for we are to love no one and nothing above Him, not ever ourselves. Thus that new spiritual nature we have recevied gives us the all consuming desire to please Him by being as His Example for us in obeying those laws as best possible, knowing their curse is now toothless because we believe Yeshua.
This is what just part of Romans 8 states.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
What does anyone suppose it is to not live after the flesh? What is it to mortify the body?
Living after the spirit nullifies living after the flesh, and the new nature filled by the Holy Spirit gives the grace and ability to combat those desires of the flesh, that is, every form of lust. The grace is to compensate for all the times we weaken, trusting Yeshua to complete our perfection, for no man can perfect himself.
Mortifying the body is much as mentioned already however the only reference any human has for mortifying one's body would be the law, no longer having power over us, but we have gained because of the defeat of its curse, death. Death has lost its sting.
If you are truly in Messiah, you already know your greatest desire is to please Him, for we are to love no one and nothing above Him, not ever ourselves. Thus that new spiritual nature we have recevied gives us the all consuming desire to please Him by being as His Example for us in obeying those laws as best possible, knowing their curse is now toothless because we believe Yeshua.
This is what just part of Romans 8 states.
Hebrew word “wormwood” and “hemlock” Strong’s 3939 la`anah lah-an-aw' from an unused root supposed to mean to curse; wormwood (regarded as poisonous, and therefore accursed):--hemlock, wormwood.
Lamentations 3:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He hath filled me with bitterness, he hath made me drunken with wormwood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He hath also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he hath covered me with ashes.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thou hast removed my soul far off from peace: I forgat prosperity.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.
There are 4 Hebrew letters spelling out the word “wormwood” and “hemlock.”
12- Lamed
16- Ayin
14- Nun
5- Hey
Pictorially they mean the following;
Teach yoke and bind, and to recognize God’s Governmental perfection
Perfected in the Blood of Christ, and our dedication.
To watch and know the punishment and restoration (as Jonah’s gourd) of Israel, universality, that describes the love of God by His unchanging judgments.
Through the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost, deliverance and salvation continues via the Father’s heir, Christ Jesus.
We look for truth as God reveals and breathes His Spirit of grace and goodness by giving us the Spiritual understanding of the Pentateuch.
The distortion of this truth in all its contents, turns the truth into “wormwood” and “hemlock.”
Amos 6:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have turned judgment into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:
Isaiah 29:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Romans 1:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
When Jesus talked about “their worm” that doesn’t die, He is describing the everlasting torment of being forever reminded of whatever part of His everlasting truth has been rejected by certain individuals from the beginning of time.
Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Lamentations 3:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He hath filled me with bitterness, he hath made me drunken with wormwood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He hath also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he hath covered me with ashes.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thou hast removed my soul far off from peace: I forgat prosperity.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.
There are 4 Hebrew letters spelling out the word “wormwood” and “hemlock.”
12- Lamed
16- Ayin
14- Nun
5- Hey
Pictorially they mean the following;
Teach yoke and bind, and to recognize God’s Governmental perfection
Perfected in the Blood of Christ, and our dedication.
To watch and know the punishment and restoration (as Jonah’s gourd) of Israel, universality, that describes the love of God by His unchanging judgments.
Through the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost, deliverance and salvation continues via the Father’s heir, Christ Jesus.
We look for truth as God reveals and breathes His Spirit of grace and goodness by giving us the Spiritual understanding of the Pentateuch.
The distortion of this truth in all its contents, turns the truth into “wormwood” and “hemlock.”
Amos 6:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have turned judgment into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:
Isaiah 29:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Romans 1:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
When Jesus talked about “their worm” that doesn’t die, He is describing the everlasting torment of being forever reminded of whatever part of His everlasting truth has been rejected by certain individuals from the beginning of time.
Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
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Karraster
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I have been reminded of Wormwood lately on cc. This thread is timely. For everyone that mumbles "resurrecting an old thread!" there are 2 who bemoan "not another one! use the search function!"
What is wormwood? Is it calling good evil and evil good? Is it the strong delusion from not loving the truth?
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Kaycie
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You can read about it in Dueteronomy and Revelation. It has both physical and spiritual meanings. Well you know how God set in place diseases as a punishment for sin? He also uses bugs. Look at the plagues of Pharoh. Well what was happening is there were some from among God's people who would do things their own way instead of God's way. They justified themselves in their own minds and counted themselves blessed along with those that actually obeyed God. Even though God sent worms on their wood and their gardens and vineyards as punishment, they STILL were convinced in their own minds that they were accepted and blessed. Because bad things happen in the world, they convinced themselves that it was not happening directly because of them.
I know God does this spiritually today, but I wonder if He still does it physically, or if it's just a coinsidence. Because I know a lady who has been in the church for about fifty years. There is absolutely no growth. She is passive aggressive, she speaks in a sweet voice but sabatogages everyone in secret ways out of revenge. For example, someone said they didn't like that she lets her dog eat off the same plates used for people. She spoke sweet and apologetic about it, then when they went to the restroom she had her dog lick the plate that she was going to use to serve that person a meal. She told me this and laughed about it.
She gets drunk regularly but hides it, she has several cigarettes going at the same time so that as she walks from room to room there's a cigarette burning there for her to smoke. She has sex with men for money but says she's not a prostitute. She purposely makes her children's hair with ugly choppy haircuts so that they are not better looking than her. This is all just the tip of the iceberg, but she goes to church and claims to be a humble Christian. People at her church have no clue.
Well at her house during the summer there are worms hanging from her trees. They cover her car, her house, they are everywhere. Some of her neighbors have them too, but the highest consent ration is at her house. Her house seems to be the middle of it.
I know God does this spiritually today, but I wonder if He still does it physically, or if it's just a coinsidence. Because I know a lady who has been in the church for about fifty years. There is absolutely no growth. She is passive aggressive, she speaks in a sweet voice but sabatogages everyone in secret ways out of revenge. For example, someone said they didn't like that she lets her dog eat off the same plates used for people. She spoke sweet and apologetic about it, then when they went to the restroom she had her dog lick the plate that she was going to use to serve that person a meal. She told me this and laughed about it.
She gets drunk regularly but hides it, she has several cigarettes going at the same time so that as she walks from room to room there's a cigarette burning there for her to smoke. She has sex with men for money but says she's not a prostitute. She purposely makes her children's hair with ugly choppy haircuts so that they are not better looking than her. This is all just the tip of the iceberg, but she goes to church and claims to be a humble Christian. People at her church have no clue.
Well at her house during the summer there are worms hanging from her trees. They cover her car, her house, they are everywhere. Some of her neighbors have them too, but the highest consent ration is at her house. Her house seems to be the middle of it.
The name of a star that will fall from heaven and ruin the water supply close to the end of the age...... 
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Karraster
Guest
Wow Kaycie, that's creepy, however i don't doubt it. Recently I encountered a woman who is terminally ill, confined to the bed, and she took great delight in recalling how she once gave her first husband a drink mixed with epigac, (not sure the spelling but it used to be available to induce vomiting), she laughed so much in describing how he had dry heaves all night after there was nothing left in his stomach..to add, he died a painful death from cancer. She did it because she had prepared a nice dinner and he wasn't ready to eat it immediately. There is truly evil in the world. This lady had no repentance for her meanness, and you would think that her illness that has her on the brink of death would cause her to seek forgiveness. Daily people would pray for her at her bedside while she gritted her teeth and cried. Laughing one minute, crying the next...bizarre.
I believe even tho there is forgiveness for us with a contrite heart, there are still consequences for our actions. May we all hang on and be faithful no matter what comes. blessings~k
I believe even tho there is forgiveness for us with a contrite heart, there are still consequences for our actions. May we all hang on and be faithful no matter what comes. blessings~k
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Karraster
Guest
The name of a star that will fall from heaven and ruin the water supply close to the end of the age......
the latter plagues seem similar to the plagues on Egypt. The same warning..come out of her My people.
Yes they do...come out of her my people and partake not of her sins that you receive not of her plagues......
Has anyone considered the definition of 'Gall' and of 'Wormwood'?
Deu 29:18 LestH6435 there should beH3426 among you man,H376 orH176 woman,H802 orH176 family,H4940 orH176 tribe,H7626 whoseH834 heartH3824 turneth awayH6437 this dayH3117 fromH4480 H5973 the LORDH3068 our God,H430 to goH1980 and serveH5647 (H853) the godsH430 of theseH1992 nations;H1471 lestH6435 there should beH3426 among you a rootH8328 that bearethH6509 gallH7219 and wormwood;H3939
H7219
רושׁ ראשׁ
rô'sh rôsh
roshe, roshe
Apparently the same as H7218; a poisonous plant, probably the poppy (from its conspicuous head); generally poison (even of serpents): - gall, hemlock, posion, venom.
Notice that 'Gall' as defined above by the Strong's Concordance is 'Poppy'?
Poppy is the plant that produces narcotics which result in extreme drug addiction.
H3939
לענה
la‛ănâh
lah-an-aw'
From an unused root supposed to mean to curse; wormwood (regarded as poisonous, and therefore accursed): - hemlock, wormwood.
Wormwood in Revelation means bitterness, but in this case in Deuteronomy it means curse.
Do you know anyone that is cursed with being hooked on drugs such as the poppy (narcotics)?
Just a thought for you to consider.
Deu 29:18 LestH6435 there should beH3426 among you man,H376 orH176 woman,H802 orH176 family,H4940 orH176 tribe,H7626 whoseH834 heartH3824 turneth awayH6437 this dayH3117 fromH4480 H5973 the LORDH3068 our God,H430 to goH1980 and serveH5647 (H853) the godsH430 of theseH1992 nations;H1471 lestH6435 there should beH3426 among you a rootH8328 that bearethH6509 gallH7219 and wormwood;H3939
H7219
רושׁ ראשׁ
rô'sh rôsh
roshe, roshe
Apparently the same as H7218; a poisonous plant, probably the poppy (from its conspicuous head); generally poison (even of serpents): - gall, hemlock, posion, venom.
Notice that 'Gall' as defined above by the Strong's Concordance is 'Poppy'?
Poppy is the plant that produces narcotics which result in extreme drug addiction.
H3939
לענה
la‛ănâh
lah-an-aw'
From an unused root supposed to mean to curse; wormwood (regarded as poisonous, and therefore accursed): - hemlock, wormwood.
Wormwood in Revelation means bitterness, but in this case in Deuteronomy it means curse.
Do you know anyone that is cursed with being hooked on drugs such as the poppy (narcotics)?
Just a thought for you to consider.
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Karraster
Guest
interesting...I do think there are probably a huge number hooked on prescription drugs in addition the illegal drugs.
to be clear, are you thinking Pharmaceuticals?
to be clear, are you thinking Pharmaceuticals?
Yes, that is what I'm thinking. Many people know someone who is hooked on Oxycontin, and even some that know someone who has overdosed on it and died. In Kentucky, there is a town where most children are fatherless because of this drug. These drugs are all legal pharmaceuticals. It's just a thought though. There is probably much more to it that we do not know.
