What is Song of Solomon?

Atwood · Jan 16, 2015

Little relevance. Of course the whole Bible was translated in to Latin & still is, but Latin is not an original language. Its language is Hebrew.

The King James Version is not the final authority. Song 8:8:

Set me as a seal upon thy heart,
As a seal upon thine arm:
For love is strong as death;
Jealousy is cruel as Sheol;
The flashes thereof are flashes of fire,
A very flame of Jehovah.

יָהּ consonants at end of letter string שַׁלְהֶבֶתְ

יָה

ﬂame of Yah Ca 86 (or em. שַׁלְהֲבֹתֶיהָ שַׁלְהֲבֹת־יָהּ its ﬂames are ﬂames of Yah) Yah, form of divine name יהוה Yahweh,

data from “יָהּ,” DCH scholarly Hebrew lexicon 4:114.

BrainFreeze, you have to realize that your saying things proves nothing. I prefer the Hebrew Lexicon to your pontifications.

Atwood · Jan 16, 2015

The Song of Solomon is not sexually explicit, but it is a bit too intimate IMHO for public reading of a few lines in it (only). It does move beyond the mere Romantic into the erotic slightly, but eros is quite proper between a husband and wife. Proverbs approaches this also in recommending intimacy with one's wife as a guard vs immorality. The following are verses taken from Proverbs starting in chapter 5. It should be noted that the Bible is not prudish, nor does it promote lust.

Should thy springs be dispersed abroad,
And streams of water in the streets?
Let them be for thyself alone,
And not for strangers with thee.
Let thy fountain be blessed;
And rejoice in the wife of thy youth.
As a loving hind and a pleasant doe,
Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times;
And be thou ravished always with her love.
For why shouldest thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman,
And embrace the bosom of a foreigner?
For the ways of man are before the eyes of Jehovah;
And he maketh level all his paths.

And reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
To keep thee from the evil woman,
From the flattery of the foreigner’s tongue.
Lust not after her beauty in thy heart;
Neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
For on account of a harlot a man is brought to a piece of bread;
And the adulteress hunteth for the precious life.
Can a man take fire in his bosom,
And his clothes not be burned?
Or can one walk upon hot coals,
And his feet not be scorched?
So he that goeth in to his neighbor’s wife;
Whosoever toucheth her shall not be unpunished.

Men do not despise a thief, if he steal
To satisfy himself when he is hungry:
But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold;
He shall give all the substance of his house.
He that committeth adultery with a woman is void of understanding:
He doeth it who would destroy his own soul.
Wounds and dishonor shall he get;
And his reproach shall not be wiped away.
For jealousy is the rage of a man;
And he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister;
And call understanding thy kinswoman:
That they may keep thee from the strange woman,
From the foreigner that flattereth with her words.
For at the window of my house
I looked forth through my lattice;
And I beheld among the simple ones,
I discerned among the youths,
A young man void of understanding,
Passing through the street near her corner;
And he went the way to her house,
In the twilight, in the evening of the day,
In the middle of the night and in the darkness.
And, behold, there met him a woman
With the attire of a harlot, and wily of heart.
(She is clamorous and wilful;
Her feet abide not in her house:
Now she is in the streets, now in the broad places,
And lieth in wait at every corner.)
So she caught him, and kissed him,
And with an impudent face she said unto him:
Sacrifices of peace-offerings are with me;
This day have I paid my vows.
Therefore came I forth to meet thee,
Diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
I have spread my couch with carpets of tapestry,
With striped cloths of the yarn of Egypt.
I have perfumed my bed
With myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning;
Let us solace ourselves with loves.
For the man is not at home;
He is gone a long journey:
He hath taken a bag of money with him;
He will come home at the full moon.
With her much fair speech she causeth him to yield;
With the flattering of her lips she forceth him along.
He goeth after her straightway,
As an ox goeth to the slaughter,
Or as one in fetters to the correction of the fool;
Till an arrow strike through his liver;
As a bird hasteth to the snare,
And knoweth not that it is for his life.
Now therefore, my sons, hearken unto me,
And attend to the words of my mouth.
Let not thy heart decline to her ways;
Go not astray in her paths.
For she hath cast down many wounded:
Yea, all her slain are a mighty host.
Her house is the way to Sheol,
Going down to the chambers of death.

Elijah19 · Jan 16, 2015

Song of Solomon is not an "explicit" book, it is an "honest" book. Procreation is part of God's design for mankind just as food and water are. Consequently, a healthy marriage with a healthy enjoyment of intimacy is also part of God's design for Mankind. God created sex, and God called everything he created "very good." This, by definition, makes sex "very good" by God's own admittance.

Actually, Song of Solomon is the total opposite of Pornography, even where it depicts the graphic content. The reason why is because it depicts the correct view of sex as God created man and woman to have it in marriage. It is a very beautiful book depicting Gods design for intimacy in plain language. Provided we follow God's plan for it, sex is not only meant to produce children, but also to be ravenously enjoyed between married lovers. Did that last statement surprise you? It shouldn't have as far as 1 Cor. 7:3-5 and Prov. 5:15-20 are concerned. The enjoyment of sex is part of what keeps marriages strong. There is nothing pornographic in writing about how to have sex appropriately by God's laws. Consequently, there is nothing pornographic about writing on just the enjoyment of sex itself.

Sex is a gift from God, and Song of Solomon is God's Kama Sutra, so to speak, to his children.

On a last note, did you know that Song of Solomon is actually supposed to have a double meaning. It portrays the blessing of Godly sex, but it also is meant to symbolize the unity of Christ and His Church (the bride of Christ).

Elijah19 · Jan 16, 2015

This passage dose not mention prostitutes or false gods. I know the reasoning behind this particular verse, so I'll message you on it later. It's a bit long to put down, but trust me, it's got a Godly meaning. Just to say though, it doesn't always just have to have a spiritual meaning. There is great beauty in marital intimacy, and desire (lust) tempered with greater love between a man and his wife is quite appropriate, and is blessed by God.

Jason0047 · Jan 16, 2015

Brainfreeze said:

It was not my intention to twist your words around. I merely misunderstood you; And I didn't say I wouldn't reply on this topic within this thread. I said I would not reply to you on this topic because it appears it is too sensitive to you, my friend.

I believe Song of Solomon belongs in the Bible just like all the other books in the Bible. I am not ashamed to say that or discuss it. But if you have a problem with that, then take it up with God and not with me.

mailmandan · Jan 16, 2015

Joseph Smith omitted Song of Solomon from his so called "inspired version" of the Bible.

Eva1218 · Jan 16, 2015

The Song of Solomon is a Love Story not to be seen as lustful for that is not of GOD as Hizikyah mentioned GOD made us to create in our own kind but it must be down under HIS Commandment. Know True Love is a Beautiful thing especially GOD's LOVE for us.

Blessings!!!!!!!

Brainfreeze · Jan 16, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Song of Solomon is not an "explicit" book, it is an "honest" book. Procreation is part of God's design for mankind just as food and water are. Consequently, a healthy marriage with a healthy enjoyment of intimacy is also part of God's design for Mankind. God created sex, and God called everything he created "very good." This, by definition, makes sex "very good" by God's own admittance.

Actually, Song of Solomon is the total opposite of Pornography, even where it depicts the graphic content. The reason why is because it depicts the correct view of sex as God created man and woman to have it in marriage. It is a very beautiful book depicting Gods design for intimacy in plain language. Provided we follow God's plan for it, sex is not only meant to produce children, but also to be ravenously enjoyed between married lovers. Did that last statement surprise you? It shouldn't have as far as 1 Cor. 7:3-5 and Prov. 5:15-20 are concerned. The enjoyment of sex is part of what keeps marriages strong. There is nothing pornographic in writing about how to have sex appropriately by God's laws. Consequently, there is nothing pornographic about writing on just the enjoyment of sex itself.

Sex is a gift from God, and Song of Solomon is God's Kama Sutra, so to speak, to his children.

Your missing the point, I never said sex between a married couple is a bad thing, it can be a beautiful thing if it's genuine and the couple are in love. The problem comes in with solomon, who obviously put said sex before God, he worshipped other gods, after God spoke to his heart about all these women and their gods, solomon did this anyway, and even built alters for these gods.. So solomon didn't love Yah, he didn't love himself, his " desire " was with these women, therefore a book that's written by solomon about women, marriage, and love seems like a crime to me, now if anyone has ever been in love, they know " the romance " and " desire/lust " for the other individual. I agree, that it can be a teacher for the correct and healthy kind of sex for a couple in love, like another part of the law, " a biblical sex ed " so to speak, with passionate, intimate over tone, it's not a sex position book though lol...

On a last note, did you know that Song of Solomon is actually supposed to have a double meaning. It portrays the blessing of Godly sex, but it also is meant to symbolize the unity of Christ and His Church (the bride of Christ).

I agree with your first paragraph but I don't think solomon wrote it, his wisdom was recorded in proverbs, other then that " shrugs " the rest is in the air... As for this last statement though, I don't think it has a double meaning, I think that is esoteric, and mocking God, Gods love surpasses any of that you can find with humans, and He doesn't care about flesh, He loves the heart and soul of man and woman, nothing to do with sexual desire or flesh. I don't see God relating Himself to us in any sexual way, as I don't relate Jesus to a thief even though He said I come " like " a thief. People need to understand description and what's painted as similar ... This is not one of them..

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I do appreciate this post, my responses are in bold, you said a mouth full, good for you young brother, but what do you think of it's relation to the kabbalah and this esoteric nature, as one here already promoted reading it along side the zohar to be " illuminated ". This is where confusion can run wild, and would love to fool Gods children...

Brainfreeze · Jan 16, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Cool, your still a brother in my book, and a friend, it does seem you misunderstand a lot when we converse, but as the good book says " forgive seventy seven times ", I do so, I know your heart seeks the deeper things, good for you Jason, but be careful not to always be so sure, search out solomon, I'm interested in what you'd come up with, and I'm not just talking being saved or not, I'm talking a study, if you post, I'd be glad to be a part of it... As for kabbalah, it's not mumbo jumbo brother, these people are dead serious, and not to be taken lightly, there's plenty to study, that they will be part of some " new world order " with muslims, just look up zohar and muhammad, ... Wild stuff, I'm just in the towers, shouting at what could be ahead sooner or later.. Peace, love, and blessing be to you..

Brainfreeze · Jan 16, 2015

Eva1218 said:

It can't be both, as I said and have shown, Gods name is not mentioned.. So between man and woman, yes...

As for God and church, I don't believe so.. I don't believe solomon even wrote it.. Here's one reason..

The Song offers no clue to its author or to the date, place or circumstances of its composition.[10] The superscription states that it is "Solomon's", but even if this is meant to identify the author, it cannot be read as strictly as a similar modern statement.[11] The most reliable evidence for its date is its language: Aramaic gradually replaced Hebrew after the end of the Babylonian exile in the late 6th century BCE, and the evidence of vocabulary, morphology, idiom and syntax clearly points to a late date.[12]

SoulWeaver · Jan 22, 2015

Brainfreeze said:

He did write the book of Ecclesiastes.

But aside of written Jewish tradition - the Scripture alone is solid in proving Solomon's authorship:

Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. --- establishing the author of the book is David's son
Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem. --- definitely establishing Solomon's identity
Ecclesiastes 1:16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge. --- corresponding the wisdom that Solomon was given according to the rest of Biblical account... the man writing this can be only one person: Solomon.
Ecclesiastes 2:7 I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house; also I had great possessions of great and small cattle above all that were in Jerusalem before me:
Ecclesiastes 2:9 So I was great, and increased more than all that were before me in Jerusalem: also my wisdom remained with me. --- as above
Ecclesiastes 4:7 Then I returned, and I saw vanity under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecclesiastes 7:23 All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me.
Ecclesiastes 7:26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her. --- he really did repent for everything, brother.
Ecclesiastes 12:9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.*
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

*He had also written the book of Proverbs:

Both Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are known as "wisdom literature".
Thank you for causing me to compile these verses, hope you enjoy them, I have actually ended up reading the whole book of Ecclesiastes - I've been at that spot lately so it was a great comfort.

SoulWeaver · Jan 22, 2015

Brainfreeze said:

It can't be both, as I said and have shown, Gods name is not mentioned.. So between man and woman, yes...

As for God and church, I don't believe so.. I don't believe solomon even wrote it.. Here's one reason..

The Song offers no clue to its author or to the date, place or circumstances of its composition.[10] The superscription states that it is "Solomon's", but even if this is meant to identify the author, it cannot be read as strictly as a similar modern statement.[11] The most reliable evidence for its date is its language: Aramaic gradually replaced Hebrew after the end of the Babylonian exile in the late 6th century BCE, and the evidence of vocabulary, morphology, idiom and syntax clearly points to a late date.[12]

Okay, one question. Why is it in the Word of God and what is it doing there? What is your explanation?

Kerry · Jan 22, 2015

To the OP it's about the bride and the Groom, which means Christ and His Church.

Atwood · Jul 3, 2015

Brainfreeze said:

The word YAH is found in Song of Solomon. No English word whatsoever is found in the actual Song as God gave it, as
english was not yet invented then. Yah is a word for God (see Hebrew lexicons), rendered by ASV as Jehovah. The King Jimmy english translation is irrelevant, as it was not around when the Lord Jesus endorsed the Hebrew OT (Tanach), saying the scripture cannot be broken.

Latin is irrelevant to the discussion. The Bible has been available in many translations for many years. There are different
ancient translations in different languages, Latin being only one of them. but it is not the translations that count here.
but the original Hebrew. so going on about Latin here is a waste of time. Moreover, I challenge you to give me any verse in
any book of the Bible where in the Latin it says, "God." God is an English word. God is not the Latin word for God.

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