What was abolished?

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What was abolished?


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I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Christ's command) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

So, when you read its ok as shown here;

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

When I read it's its not ok as shown here;

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

You must be omnipresent or a liar...

concerning my heart, for only Yahweh knows that...

and

After displaying that I would say:

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Seems you do not offer me this same as you offer yourself....
 
Np it happens.

OK here we go;

Isaiah 34:16, World English Bible
"Search in the book of Yahweh, and read: not one of these will be missing. none will lack her mate. For my mouth has commanded, and his Spirit has gathered them."

So we are told to read, Im not going to "hell" for reading just yet.... whheeeeeew!
Ok not out of the woods yet.
(*tells self*, dont get ahead of yourself scooter! for there are more Scriptures!)

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
So His Spirit is His word,
God's Spirit is a person, the Holy Spirit, the comforter, counselor, etc.

so if I read the word will tell me the same thing the Spirit will... or else why would He provide a book?
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Messiah agrees, "The Words that I speak to you, they are Spirit"

Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

OK, so according to this if one has His Spirit they will, "I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them" Glad that verse didn't say He will cause us to ignore them, or I would be in trouble....

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and
write it in their hearts
, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
And what is written in the heart in the new covenant is Christ's law of love, which fulfills the Law and the Propehts.

It is written by a disposition from the Holy Spirit which gives one to know what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.
 
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 
So I have another question for you, I hope you answer the other one, but;

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

So I assume you do not read the "Law"

SO do you,

Keep the 7th day set aside?

Not make the name of Yahweh empty?


I am not implying you don't nor am I judging you if you don't I just want to commend you if you do because, if you have never read, and you do those things, wow, you must be in perfect "tune" with the Spirit of Yah... I mean, I have never met anyone that did not read the book yet knew all that was in it, maybe Messiah, IDK, but wow if you do praise Yahweh for that! Praise Him either way but wow if so!
I don't need a written law to know to set time aside to fellowship and worship God with the brethren,
or not to use God's name profanely.
Love of God produces that.

I heard someone say one time;

"There are many things we should pray for answers for but some things are so clearly written that there is no need to pray, for our Father has already spoken in these matters."


I personally thought that was a valid point. What do you think on that matter?
Yes, I don't need to pray to know that adultery is wrong, or to know that neglect of my aging parents is wrong, etc.
 
God's Spirit is a person, the Holy Spirit, the comforter, counselor, etc.

So His Spirit not also His words? you left that off the list....

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

And what is written in the heart in the new covenant is Christ's law of love, which fulfills the Law and the Propehts.

It is written by a disposition from the Holy Spirit which gives one to know what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

"hang all the Law"

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

"and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws"

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
 
1 Corinthians 10:11, "Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come"

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Romans 15:4, "For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."
 
Elin said:
Hizikyah said:
SO if one completely ignores the "Laws" that are written and thinks "those Laws have no power over them".... How are they going o obey?
Are they going to make a "law" and "spirit" of their imagination and whatever they think is a sin to them is a sin
......
You make no allowance for the
Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart
, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.
You must be omnipresent or a liar...

concerning my heart, for only Yahweh knows that...

and

After displaying that I would say:

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Seems you do not offer me this same as you offer yourself....
My meaning in relation to your statement is clear above.
 
My meaning in relation to your statement is clear above.

Test the spirits, if they don't line up with what is written, it's not the Spirit of Yah guiding....

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.

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Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.

Now I am not claiming I do all this or do it perfectly, by this is what the Spirit tells me;

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31

"When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father."

So when I have abundance or "harvest" I should give some to the needy, maybe every time I go grocery shopping I should count a portion of that to give to the less fortunate...


"You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh."

When I read this I think, in no way shape or form should I lie, use depict, or anything of that nature, especially being a follower of Yahweh, I have to uphold a higher stand aka be a "light" to others.


"You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight."

Not defraud or rob, of course, even a atheist can understand that, but when I hear "Do not hold back the wages" that one, man the effects, what if I owe someone money and they are counting on it, and I do not pay them when I say... It could be devastating to them, for what if they had rent to pay and children, and because I didn't pay them on time they were going to lose their house, or couldn't feed their children and it led them to do something that caused further harm to their family and others... I would not want to be responsible for the, it could be a terrible domino effect... No I have always known since a child I should keep my word, however this, not pay a man on time having a terrible domino effect, I never thought of this until I read (in the Spirit) and prayed, it made me realize.... thank Yahweh I have come to know Him.


"Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh."

Wow now this one could be applied to so so many things, the foremost that come to mind are placing temptation in front of a fellow human, which I would never want to do, but also in any way doing something that could make them error in life, now I know the popular one is, Oh my you can't tell them that Scripture, thats too much, since when is a truth of Yah a stumblingblock? I can only speak for myself but I wish a had people clearly tell me the truth and not lie to me or coddle me, as I would have liked to and want to know as much truth as possible...


"Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly."

Now Yaaqob (James) explains this one amazingly well: Yaaqob (James) 2:1-4, "My brothers, do not hold the faith of our glorious King, Yahshua Messiah, with respect of persons. For suppose there comes into your congregation a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should come in also a poor man in filthy clothing; And if you pay special attention to the one wearing the fine clothes, and say to him: You sit here in the best place, while you say to the poor man: You stand here, or sit at my feet-- Have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?" .... and of course it could apply to so many things, people physical beauty, people social status, etc... But it also brings the thought to mind, if the "NT" writers are just repeating and explaing, of course better than I or most could, but if they are explaing "OT" principles, how am I in the Spirit if I read James, but in the flesh if I read Moses??? For they are saying the same things....

"You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."

Pretty clear, but I think the Spirit of Yah made me think about my personal likes dislikes in this matter, for just because one is different or even if there is something that bothers me about them, I should not make up any falsehoods about them, even if they have wronged me, only what is true should be spoken, even when tempers flare...

"Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh."

Now there is the obvious here, but what about driving wreck-less with another in the car or possibly hurt a pedrestrinan? No should not do, howver, I would have never deeply thought otherwise. Also I think I should never promote anything that could lead to ones death be it physical of spiritual, say I have a vice, I am not married I do at times lust, I would never want to invite a woman to partake in that with me unless she was my wife, for I would be leading her to sin also.... and one last thing, I would never want to in any way cause another dath, so even little things that I may not think of right now, anything of this nature is a no no. and if I never read, of course I would know not to put people in danger, but this way Yah has a base to bring to my remembrance in the time of need.


"You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. "

Pretty straight forward, but when I read this I thought, I should pray for Him to remove anything deep rooted, so I may not hate.


"Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

This of course, why would I want another to go astray, and same for me, if I am in error I want someone to tell me, so I think this is very well. I think this is best looked at from an outside perspective, because a lot of people don;t like to be corrected... If one had a child that was doing something that was going to hurt them would not their parent speak up clearly so the child does not get hurt? But now days it seems like correction is hated and called judgmental...

"Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Now the carnal mind look at this and starts making excuses about who is his neighbor or not, but the Spiritual mind know every human is his neighbor.... think about it, even people who are vile and have been misled by the adversary, im not saying give them a free pass, but know, the adversary has tricked and trapped them, the word can be a unforgiving place and some people have gone through terrible things, so I should hold no grudge and not have any hate toward any human, sometimes this is hard when looking at especially evil people but again, the adversary has blinded many...


"I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness."

Obvious, but I go farther, I do not have a daughter, but if I did not only would I teach her correctly, but I would not let her wear revealing clothes, there days, it is the norm, hence "the land will fall into harlotry".. this also made me think I should never give a woman attention/reward for being "provocative" now the same would go for if I had a son, and ,my own actions, do not promote this kind of thing.... so many angles... now I know, Im probably being called of so "in the fleah" but think abou it, id it ok to let a daughter listen to the music these days and dance the way they do, I can hear it noe "there just kids, let em have fun" .... "or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness" and you know why "become full of wickedness" because men "follow" women and it creates a snowball if sin...

"Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh."

I have seen may on here tell me magic is ok, it is not. there are Christians who read their horoscope or talk to their dead uncle... He says clearly "do not" I need no more reason, I will not.


"You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh."

This one I like a true elder or true teacher, I knew one about four years ago, I only got to study with him a handful of times, but I cherished it, I stayed quiet during study and would even ask him If I could add something when I thought a had some thing beneficial. I will say this, it may e a reason for one to talk down on me, but I remember when I showed him something in Scripture he did not know, I took great joy because he had showed me a number of things, and it felt well to return the favor.

"If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."

No racism, no prejudice, no treat one different because they look or at different, no excuse.

"Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure."

truth and honesty in every, that is every situation... no way should I ever deal dishonestly, not even "cutting corners: example: "well you know hes rich so he wont miss that money" no that's his money, there is no excuse to work dishonestly, ever, period.


"I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

For He is my Father that has brought me out of sin, I love Him and want to obey Him!

If one thinks there is something wrong with that then I think the problem is with them. and of course the Sprit softens our heart, how do you think I started to love His instructions and realize if everyone read and sought to follow them trough His guidance HOW MUCH BETTER WOULD THE WORLD BE?

Romans 2:, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?


but I know not all love His instructions.. but would rather justify what ever they fell is right, now im not putting that on everyone or anyone, but that is a teaching that has crept in, "its only a sin if your heart condemns you" that is disgusting "doctrine" for there are sociopaths.... "conscience seared with a hot iron"

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.
 
satan has tricked people into thinking the only "bad" thing they can do is listen to and obey Yahweh;s Instructions,..... just like in the garden.... sad.

Why is the world in such chaos?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Isayah 59:13-15, "In transgressing and lying against Yahweh, and turning away from following our Father, speaking oppression and rebellion, conceiving and uttering from the mind words of falsehood: So judgment is driven backwards, and justice stands afar off, for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. Yahweh saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice."

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."

Proverbs 1:29-31, "Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose to give reverence to Yahweh! Since they would have none of my counsel, and despised all my rebuke and warning. They will eat the fruit of their own ways, and be completely idled with their own devices."
 
Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.
Yes, Jesus' words are the Spirit at work giving eternal life.

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you,
namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth
"namely My Word" is not in the text.

You must be using the ESV, which takes unlicensed liberty with the texts.

The text reads:
"My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth. . ."


they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
Sounds like the new covenant, which Jesus was made for us (Isa 42:6) and
that Jesus would be empowered by the Holy Spirit, as was David (Isa 11:2).

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.
Yes, Jesus' words are the Spirit at work giving eternal life through faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
So His words are Spirit...

So then I ask again

Why is it when you read it's;

I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Christ's command) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

But when I read it's;

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations
.

After displaying that I would say:

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Seems you do not offer me this same as you offer yourself....
 
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So then I ask again

Why is it when you read it's;

I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Mt 22:37-39)

from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart (Heb 8:10)
.
Read it again.

My disposition of loving and unloving does not come from reading.

Therefore, I don't need a myriad of written regulations to tell me what loving and unloving are.
 
Read it again.

My disposition of loving and unloving does not come from reading.

Therefore, I don't need a myriad of written regulations to tell me what loving and unloving are.

Hmm....

SO was Paul

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

Because he had read it:

Romans 7:7, What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12, Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
"

and even said he enjoyed it;

Romans 7:22, "22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man. 25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

"I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh,"

KJV Rom 7:25:
"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

NASB
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

NIV
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

hmmmm....



Romans 7:7, What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12, Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
"
 
Wrong question. Jesus said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it.

Yes, He did not come to abolished the laws, but to complete what the laws suppose to have done to us and which none off us was able to reach the fulfillment of the laws. And so Jesus was the first to reached it so that we can live; because God was going to cast everything away if no one would of have reached it.

Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

Genesis 32:28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Galatians 2:15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 
Yes, He did not come to abolished the laws, but to complete what the laws suppose to have done to us and which none off us was able to reach the fulfillment of the laws. And so Jesus was the first to reached it so that we can live; because God was going to cast everything away if no one would of have reached it.

Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

Genesis 32:28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Galatians 2:15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Self righteous no, yet we still should obey...

1 Yahchanan 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; nd He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Just because we have mercy does not mean we throw all Instructions in the Law of Yahweh in the trash.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."
 
Self righteous no, yet we still should obey...

1 Yahchanan 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; nd He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Just because we have mercy does not mean we throw all Instructions in the Law of Yahweh in the trash.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Ephesians 1:10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment, to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.


Well it's kinda hard to have followed the laws without chasing others away by judging them, like for an instance if someone that is suffering from a severe case of Scoliosis, it is written that a man must stand upright, but we tell the one that is suffering from scoliosis, that he is sinning because God had meant mankind to stand upright, not slumped over like and animal and which that is not fulfilling the laws; and so it had to be removed, or else we will all be condemn, because we all have became judges like the pharisees were doing. And so are you able to not tell your best friend to "get behind me satan", because he had told you that he was Gay? And which that isn't being faithful. So the laws were removed so that God doesn't have to tell us all to get behind Him, because we were doing the things that is against what is the rightful thing to do.


Matthew 15:2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices, mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law, justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 16:6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
 
Elin said:
Read it again.

My disposition of loving and unloving does not come from reading.

Therefore, I don't need a myriad of written regulations to tell me what loving and unloving are.
Hmm....

SO was Paul

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart,
giving one to know what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.
Because he had read it:
But the Gentiles, the majority of the church, had not, nor did they need to do so.

All they needed on this matter was the Holy Spirit and the NT writings.
 
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But the Gentiles, the majority of the church, had not, nor did they need to do so.

All they needed on this matter was the Holy Spirit and the NT writings.

So should I rip 39+ books out of my Scriptures? Seems odd, why would He bless us with them?

And you are not replying to:
So His words are Spirit...

So then I ask again

Why is it when you read it's;


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I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Christ's command) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

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But when I read it's;

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Originally Posted by Elin
You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations
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After displaying that I would say:

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Seems you do not offer me this same as you offer yourself....

and SO was Paul;

"make no allowance for the Holy Spirit" as you accuse me of?

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Originally Posted by Elin
You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

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Because he had read it:

Romans 7:7, What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12, Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
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and even said he enjoyed it;

Romans 7:22, "22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man. 25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

"I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh,"

KJV Rom 7:25:
"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

NASB
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

NIV
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

hmmmm....

Romans 7:7, What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12, Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
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