Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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kennethcadwell

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Explain to me how Babylon was a seaport city in the type. The anti-type need not be a seaport either.

The Beast, the political/military leader, and the False Prophet, the religious leader, will fulfill the anti-type of the last resurrection of the Roman empire.

You will find that the lead nation in this last resurrection will be Germany (ancient Assyria).


It shows in the bible how the merchants sat on their ships and watched the smoke from her burning.
Rome is more inland, and they maybe able to possibly see the smoke from out in the sea. But the Vatican is not a major importer and exporter like some make her out to be. She has become more rich off of others, then others becoming rich of her. Saudi Arabia on the other hand who uses a completely Jesus replacement religious system does have a major sea port city called Mecca. Mecca (Mother) is the home city to the Islamic nation/religion. Radical Islam is of the Muslims who have been at war with the Jews and have killed 1,000's of people between the Jews and Christians in past years. Islam will never confirm to a one world religion that the anitchrist will lead, so it will have to be destroyed. Hince bye bye Babylon.......and the worlds top oil country.
 
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It shows in the bible how the merchants sat on their ships and watched the smoke from her burning.
Rome is more inland, and they maybe able to possibly see the smoke from out in the sea. But the Vatican is not a major importer and exporter like some make her out to be. She has become more rich off of others, then others becoming rich of her. Saudi Arabia on the other hand who uses a completely Jesus replacement religious system does have a major sea port city called Mecca. Mecca (Mother) is the home city to the Islamic nation/religion. Radical Islam is of the Muslims who have been at war with the Jews and have killed 1,000's of people between the Jews and Christians in past years. Islam will never confirm to a one world religion that the anitchrist will lead, so it will have to be destroyed. Hince bye bye Babylon.......and the worlds top oil country.
Unless the world wide religion is Islam!
 

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It shows in the bible how the merchants sat on their ships and watched the smoke from her burning.
Rome is more inland, and they maybe able to possibly see the smoke from out in the sea. But the Vatican is not a major importer and exporter like some make her out to be. She has become more rich off of others, then others becoming rich of her. Saudi Arabia on the other hand who uses a completely Jesus replacement religious system does have a major sea port city called Mecca. Mecca (Mother) is the home city to the Islamic nation/religion. Radical Islam is of the Muslims who have been at war with the Jews and have killed 1,000's of people between the Jews and Christians in past years. Islam will never confirm to a one world religion that the anitchrist will lead, so it will have to be destroyed. Hince bye bye Babylon.......and the worlds top oil country.
If you feel the need to relate the end-time anti-type Babylon exactly to the typical Babylon (the original city) then the characteristics need be identical. If you realize that Babylon is a type of the anti-type, then conditional relationship is what you are looking for.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Explain to me how Babylon was a seaport city in the type. The anti-type need not be a seaport either.

The Beast, the political/military leader, and the False Prophet, the religious leader, will fulfill the anti-type of the last resurrection of the Roman empire.

You will find that the lead nation in this last resurrection will be Germany (ancient Assyria).

Plus notice the description of the false prophet;

he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon


Who is the Lamb? That would be our Lord Jesus Christ.

So having a horn like a lamb would be apostate Christianity....bing, bing, bing......Catholic churches pope, which means father....or in other words putting themselves in place of God.
Then spoke as a dragon.....speaking lies and deception by a false doctrine they teach....

So the false prophet can not also be Babylon !!!
 

john832

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It shows in the bible how the merchants sat on their ships and watched the smoke from her burning.
Rome is more inland, and they maybe able to possibly see the smoke from out in the sea. But the Vatican is not a major importer and exporter like some make her out to be. She has become more rich off of others, then others becoming rich of her. Saudi Arabia on the other hand who uses a completely Jesus replacement religious system does have a major sea port city called Mecca. Mecca (Mother) is the home city to the Islamic nation/religion. Radical Islam is of the Muslims who have been at war with the Jews and have killed 1,000's of people between the Jews and Christians in past years. Islam will never confirm to a one world religion that the anitchrist will lead, so it will have to be destroyed. Hince bye bye Babylon.......and the worlds top oil country.
We will see what we will see. I personally do not see Islam as a force of reckoning in the end-time prophecies.
 

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"satan>Jerusalem>Rome>Mecca>bankers in London>bankers in NY>continually>down>the>line>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Revelation 13:7
"Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,""
and I left out the "image",.... captoiline hill - capitol hill

"satan>Jerusalem>Rome>Image>Mecca>bankers in London>bankers in NY>continually>down>the>line>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[video=youtube;5hfEBupAeo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4[/video]


Revelation 13:13
It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,




Revelation 13:4they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"

 

john832

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Plus notice the description of the false prophet;

he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon


Who is the Lamb? That would be our Lord Jesus Christ.

So having a horn like a lamb would be apostate Christianity....bing, bing, bing......Catholic churches pope, which means father....or in other words putting themselves in place of God.
Then spoke as a dragon.....speaking lies and deception by a false doctrine they teach....

So the false prophet can not also be Babylon !!!
Uh, the Babylonian Mystery Religion is directly mirrored in the great universal church. Look into Simon the Magician and what he did.
 

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We will see what we will see. I personally do not see Islam as a force of reckoning in the end-time prophecies.
Islam is the "pale" or chloros/green horse:

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a fourth part of the earth,

Revelation 6:
7 And when He had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name ofhim who sat upon it was Death; and Sheol; the grave, followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with pestilence--the same under theauthority of the beast of the earth.

 
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kennethcadwell

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Unless the world wide religion is Islam!

But it will not be as the religion that the antichrist will lead will be guided by the religious leader false prophet (catholic pope).
 

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Revelation 6:7 And when He had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name ofhim who sat upon it was Death; and Sheol; the grave, followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with pestilence--the same under theauthority of the beast of the earth.

"under the authority of the beast"


[video=youtube;igoydzFZZX0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoydzFZZX0[/video]
 
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kennethcadwell

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Uh, the Babylonian Mystery Religion is directly mirrored in the great universal church. Look into Simon the Magician and what he did.

Yet still the thing remains as the false prophets religious base is not going to be destroyed by the antichrist. As this system follows the antichrist and forces others to worship him. And in order to pave way for his system he would have to do away with other religions that would oppose. Radical Islam will always oppose other religions, they even have no respect for their own people in other Muslim nations......
 
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"under the authority of the beast"


[video=youtube;igoydzFZZX0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoydzFZZX0[/video]


Yes follow the symbolism of the star and the crescent moon, as it has always been tied to the beasts system.
 

john832

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But it will not be as the religion that the antichrist will lead will be guided by the religious leader false prophet (catholic pope).
??? Your sentence does not make sense.

The great universal church is the false religion that the False Prophet is the leader of. He is not the Beast, he is the one who causes the world to worship the Beast...

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

First thing we notice is that the whore (the false religion) is carried by the Beast, supported by the Beast power.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Refer back to Daniel...

Dan 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

This is a history of the world ruling empires from Daniels day to the time Christ returns and destroys the Babylonian system.

Babylon replaced by the Medo-Persians replaced by the Greco-Macedonians replaced by Rome.

Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Same scenario, different symbols for the four world ruling empires.
 
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But it will not be as the religion that the antichrist will lead will be guided by the religious leader false prophet (catholic pope).
The last two maybe three popes have bowed unto and kissed the Koran.......!
 

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Now with that in mind, look at Rev 13 and we see the end-time Beast (political/military) power and the False Prophet (the false religion)...

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This guy supports the Beast power.

Gotta go, let's continue this discussion tomorrow.
 
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kennethcadwell

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??? Your sentence does not make sense.

The great universal church is the false religion that the False Prophet is the leader of. He is not the Beast, he is the one who causes the world to worship the Beast...

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

First thing we notice is that the whore (the false religion) is carried by the Beast, supported by the Beast power.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Refer back to Daniel...

Dan 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

This is a history of the world ruling empires from Daniels day to the time Christ returns and destroys the Babylonian system.

Babylon replaced by the Medo-Persians replaced by the Greco-Macedonians replaced by Rome.

Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Same scenario, different symbols for the four world ruling empires.


Look at the verses in Revelation 13 I gave;


[h=1]Revelation 13:11-14[/h]



The Beast from the Earth
11Then I saw another beast scoming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, twhose deadly wound was healed. 13 uHe performs great signs, vso that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 wAnd he deceives 6those who dwell on the earth—xby those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword yand lived.





 
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The last two maybe three popes have bowed unto and kissed the Koran.......!

Yes but the cathechism and radical Islamist will always bump heads, as the standard Muslims and cathechism does worship together now do to the false doings of the Catholic church. In order for it all to come together the antichrist will have to get rid of the radicals first. Destroying the capital of their radical religion, Saudi Arabia and the capital sea port city Mecca (mother).
 

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Yes but the cathechism and radical Islamist will always bump heads, as the standard Muslims and cathechism does worship together now do to the false doings of the Catholic church. In order for it all to come together the antichrist will have to get rid of the radicals first. Destroying the capital of their radical religion, Saudi Arabia and the capital sea port city Mecca (mother).
esoteric (inner doctrine at the top ) and exoteric (outer doctrine at the bottom)...

hegelian dialectic... (create 2 falsehood and let em go at each other...)
 
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Hagar is the woman riding on the beast.

Who are the children of Hagar? It is not simply physical descendents, but those under the Law of works.

Is she a city? Yes. A spiritual city now, and then physically when she comes out of her hiding in the "wilderness", and unites upon the hills on the back of the beast. When we see this taking form, we are called to remove ourselves from her.
Remember that her name is "mystery Babylon", not "obvious Babylon".

She has been alive and well for a long time. However, something very old and dead is about to be resurrected beneath her. Perhaps it will be Roman Empire, perhaps it will be Temple sacrifice, perhaps it will be something less obvious.
 

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2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."