Let us consider the numder 1

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Let us consider the numder 1

In this number, the other 9 are hidden.

It is indivisible.

it is also incapable of multiplication.

Divide 1 by itself and it stell remains 1.

Multiply 1 by itself and it is still 1, and unchanged.

There for it is a fitting representative of the Great Unchangeable Father of all.

Now, the zero, is incapable even of addition, it is negative existence; it was us.

How, then, if 1 can neither be multiplied nor divided, is another 1 to be obtained to add to it; in other words, how is the number 2 to be found?

By reflection of itself.

27 So God created humankind in his own image; in the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. (Gen.1)

7 Then ADONAI, God, formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being. (Gen.2)

For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.

The effect of a definition is to form a duplicate, or an image of the thing defined.

This, is why it is so important for us to be imitators of God.

Thus, then, we obtain a duad, or in othere words two objects composed of 1 and its reflection.
 
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For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.
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Q: How did God define Himself?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind. (John 1)

89 Your word continues forever, ADONAI, firmly fixed in heaven; (Psalms 119)

105 Your word is a lamp for my foot and light on my path. (Psalms 119)

57 ADONAI, I say that my task is to observe your words. (Psalms 119)

129 Your instruction is a wonder; this is why I follow it. 130 Your words are a doorway that lets in light, giving understanding to the thoughtless. (Psalms 119)

16 Don't delude yourselves, my dear brothers. 17 Every good act of giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father who made the heavenly lights; with him there is neither variation nor darkness caused by turning. 18 Having made his decision, he gave birth to us through a Word that can be relied upon, in order that we should be a kind of firstfruits of all that he created. (James 1)

21 So rid yourselves of all vulgarity and obvious evil, and receive meekly the Word implanted in you that can save your lives. 22 Don't deceive yourselves by only hearing what the Word says, but do it! 23 For whoever hears the Word but doesn't do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror, 24 who looks at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But if a person looks closely into the perfect Torah, which gives freedom, and continues, becoming not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work it requires, then he will be blessed in what he does. (James 1)

1 So imitate God, as his dear children; 2 and live a life of love, just as also the Messiah loved us, indeed, on our behalf gave himself up as an offering, as a slaughtered sacrifice to God with a pleasing fragrance. (Ephesians 5)
 
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Yosef said:
Let us consider the numder 1

In this number, the other 9 are hidden.

It is indivisible.

it is also incapable of multiplication.

Divide 1 by itself and it stell remains 1.

Multiply 1 by itself and it is still 1, and unchanged.

There for it is a fitting representative of the Great Unchangeable Father of all.

Now, the zero, is incapable even of addition, it is negative existence; it was us.

How, then, if 1 can neither be multiplied nor divided, is another 1 to be obtained to add to it; in other words, how is the number 2 to be found?

By reflection of itself.

27 So God created humankind in his own image; in the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. (Gen.1)

7 Then ADONAI, God, formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being. (Gen.2)

For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.

The effect of a definition is to form a duplicate, or an image of the thing defined.

This, is why it is so important for us to be imitators of God.

Thus, then, we obtain a duad, or in othere words two objects composed of 1 and its reflection.
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I disagree with the following remarks:

There for it is a fitting representative of the Great Unchangeable Father of all.

Now, the zero, is incapable even of addition, it is negative existence; it was us.

How, then, if 1 can neither be multiplied nor divided, is another 1 to be obtained to add to it; in other words, how is the number 2 to be found?

By reflection of itself.

For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.

The effect of a definition is to form a duplicate, or an image of the thing defined.

This, is why it is so important for us to be imitators of God.

Thus, then, we obtain a duad, or in othere words two objects composed of 1 and its reflection.
 
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Ok, why is that?
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There for it is a fitting representative of the Great Unchangeable Father of all.
What does this have to do with the remarks preceding it?

Now, the zero, is incapable even of addition, it is negative existence; it was us.
How do you equate us to zero?

How, then, if 1 can neither be multiplied nor divided, is another 1 to be obtained to add to it; in other words, how is the number 2 to be found? By reflection of itself.
Reflection doesn’t really add anything, does it?

For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.
I think zero can be defined.

The effect of a definition is to form a duplicate, or an image of the thing defined.
I think there are other effects of a definition besides just this.

This, is why it is so important for us to be imitators of God.
Since I don’t agree with some of the premises, I can’t agree with this conclusion.

Thus, then, we obtain a duad, or in othere words two objects composed of 1 and its reflection.
And for the same reason, I can’t agree with this.
 
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We see that the existence of God follaws inevitably from the existence of the Universe. This thought is well expressed in the Midrashic accont of the first interview which took place between Pharaoh and Moshe. When the Egyption king asked, "Who is your God that I should hearken unto His voice?"
Moshe replied, "The Universe is filled with the might and power of our God... He formed you and infussed into you the breath of life.... " (Exod. R. v.14)

If Creation reveals the might and power of our God, why is it out of the line of reason to say one could come to these conclusions based on the propertys of mathmatics? Numbers were created by God, and I find the evidence to be over overwhelmingly in suport of the above as stated
 
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There for it is a fitting representative of the Great Unchangeable Father of all.
What does this have to do with the remarks preceding it?

Now, the zero, is incapable even of addition, it is negative existence; it was us.
How do you equate us to zero?

How, then, if 1 can neither be multiplied nor divided, is another 1 to be obtained to add to it; in other words, how is the number 2 to be found? By reflection of itself.
Reflection doesn’t really add anything, does it?

For though zero be incapable of definition, 1 is definable.
I think zero can be defined.

The effect of a definition is to form a duplicate, or an image of the thing defined.
I think there are other effects of a definition besides just this.

This, is why it is so important for us to be imitators of God.
Since I don’t agree with some of the premises, I can’t agree with this conclusion.

Thus, then, we obtain a duad, or in othere words two objects composed of 1 and its reflection.
And for the same reason, I can’t agree with this.
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1 is the being of the numder system, just as God is the Being of all thing.... ect

the zero is nothing, just as we were before conceived in the mind of God.
Who were you before God made you?

27 So God created humankind in his own image;... (Gen.1)
A refletion if you will.

What is the definition of Zero: The adsence of any quantity or mangnitude; cipher; naught.

We represent the Image of God, this is why we should imitate Him.
 
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why is it out of the line of reason to say one could come to these conclusions based on the propertys of mathmatics?
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A mathematician should at this point object that realism is merely one of many possible, popular stances. We would prefer to be left with our theorems, lest we seem to be giving support to mystics. It is equally arguable that numbers as we have experienced them have no existence apart from human minds, so let's not pretend mathematicians have closed this particular book.

Numbers were created by God
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It's been popularly said that "God created the integers," but no mathematician uses this as a working premise. We receive no numbers directly from God when we sit to do our calculations. Most of us instead use the Peano postulates and build up the natural numbers, integers, the rationals, the real numbers, the complex numbers, etc., all by thought, not by revelation.

What you're arguing above has been discussed by European philosophers for at least two or three centuries - dialectics as applied to God. Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism gives an excellent synopsis and is good reading for any philosopher, even if you aren't interested in history.

To get to the point, these ideas are widely seen as heterodox. If being were improved by the creation of us contingent beings, then God was initially lacking. Were it necessary for him to hold up a mirror to himself so that some need might be satisfied, what kind of God is that? If he did it merely out of his pleasure, why do we resort to mysticism to explain it? These imprecise explanations start to stink of pantheism and become unnecessary or, worse, dangerous.

What is the definition of Zero: The adsence of any quantity or mangnitude; cipher; naught.
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In additive groups, the identity, zero, is far more important than 1. Why have we chosen a multiplicative group over an additive group? It seems like this is poetry, not mathematics.
 
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If Creation reveals the might and power of our God, why is it out of the line of reason to say one could come to these conclusions based on the propertys of mathmatics? Numbers were created by God, and I find the evidence to be over overwhelmingly in suport of the above as stated
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You are relying on your own reasoning, are you not? Do you have Scripture to back this up?
 
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1 is the being of the numder system, just as God is the Being of all thing.... ect

the zero is nothing, just as we were before conceived in the mind of God.
Who were you before God made you?

27 So God created humankind in his own image;... (Gen.1)
A refletion if you will.

What is the definition of Zero: The adsence of any quantity or mangnitude; cipher; naught.

We represent the Image of God, this is why we should imitate Him.
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I disagree with these things:

1 is the being of the numder system

27 So God created humankind in his own image;... (Gen.1)
A refletion if you will.

We represent the Image of God, this is why we should imitate Him.
 
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Yosef said:
1 is the being of the numder system, just as God is the Being of all thing.... ect

the zero is nothing, just as we were before conceived in the mind of God.
Who were you before God made you?

27 So God created humankind in his own image;... (Gen.1)
A refletion if you will.

What is the definition of Zero: The adsence of any quantity or mangnitude; cipher; naught.

We represent the Image of God, this is why we should imitate Him.
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The Lord judges—I do not. It is not up to me to imitate the Lord, is it?

I don’t see how I am a reflection of the Lord.

What do you mean by “1 is the being of the number system”?
 
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I disagree with these things:

1 is the being of the numder system

27 So God created humankind in his own image;... (Gen.1)
A refletion if you will.

We represent the Image of God, this is why we should imitate Him.
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What then is the being of the numder system if zero is the absence of any quantity? It is naught.

Ok, what does created in His own image mean?

Do you disagree with us being made in or representing the image of God?
Or that we should imitate Him?
 
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The Lord judges—I do not. It is not up to me to imitate the Lord, is it?

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1 So imitate God, as his dear children; 2 and live a life of love, just as also the Messiah loved us, indeed, on our behalf gave himself up as an offering, as a slaughtered sacrifice to God with a pleasing fragrance. (Ephesians 5)
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1 So imitate God, as his dear children; (Ephesians 5)
 
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1 So imitate God, as his dear children; (Ephesians 5)
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There are some things that the Lord does, that we are not to do, according to Scripture. Right?

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." Romans 12:19
 
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We are the children of One. Or, is God many? No, not many but One. 4 "Sh'ma, Yisra'el! ADONAI Eloheinu, ADONAI echad [Hear, Isra'el! ADONAI our God, ADONAI is one]; (Deut.6)
 
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live a life of love, just as also the Messiah loved us, indeed, on our behalf gave himself up as an offering, as a slaughtered sacrifice to God with a pleasing fragrance. (Ephesians 5)

This is the imitation God wants from us.
 
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live a life of love, just as also the Messiah loved us, indeed, on our behalf gave himself up as an offering, as a slaughtered sacrifice to God with a pleasing fragrance. (Ephesians 5)

This is the imitation God wants from us.
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48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matt.5)

We should do every thing in our power to imitate our Father.
 
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The Lord is one.

We should imitate him in some ways, but only the Lord judges. Is that not correct?

Also, I do not entirely understand the Lord, so it is impossible for me to completely imitate him, anyway, isn’t it? What I can do is try my best to do his will.
 
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Elijah23 said:
The Lord is one.

We should imitate him in some ways, but only the Lord judges. Is that not correct?

Also, I do not entirely understand the Lord, so it is impossible for me to completely imitate him, anyway, isn’t it? What I can do is try my best to do his will.
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Paul says

1 Corinthians 11:1
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
 
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