Music in Church?

[posthuman]

Must one do as God prescribed or can man just ignore God and do as he pleases?

please apply that thought to the book of Psalms.

you do admit they are inspired & God-breathed scripture, right?

see, i read something like this:

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
(Isaiah 5:20)

and i've got no small amount of trepidation to say that what's written in the psalms is become a lie for us.
it's not a "law" for us. it's freedom to do what is good.

 

[posthuman]

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[SeaBass]

You shouldnt be teaching, sing psalms that teach sinful ways to sing to the Lord with (such as a harp or an instrument of ten strings)

How weird, Bye!

Those that plan on being saved better being obeying what God prescribed and not obeying their personal feelings.

 

[SeaBass]

Why is it an evil thing to worship the Lord with musical instruments? This thread has been going on over a month and nothing that I have read has proved biblically that the use of musical instruments in song and praise in the worship of the Lord is an inherently evil practice. This line of reasoning is patently false and is nonsense.

Because God commanded Christians to sing and anything other than doing as God prescribed is disobedience, sin.


Again, if I do not have to do what God said about singing, then why would I have to do ANYTHING God has said???

 

[Sirk]

This contradiction is so strange....to base salvation on works but then to argue against the same works. What tangled up mess did you make in your brain seabass?

 

[Lynx]

This is very strange. I disagree with SeaBass on the main issue, but I disagree with everyone else who is insulting him. Tangled up mess in the brain?

Also I feel I'm invisible in this thread. I asked a question and nobody answered it...

 

[SeaBass]

Holy... carp, is this thread still going?

Saaaaaay... what about soundtracks? See, I make soundtracks at home in my computer. I can "play" virtual instruments through my computer and MIDI keyboard. Drums, bass line, background chords and a lead and you have a soundtrack. I use them at church to sing songs, so we won't have to have the (overworked) piano player learn new songs every time we want to sing one.

So whataya say? Would soundtracks be acceptable? It's not exactly a live instrument playing.

Is playing soundtracks singing?

 

[SeaBass]

HAHAHHAHA that is so funny if it was not full of ignorance....fall from grace because an instrument is used.....? WOW.....Now I have heard it all!

One falls from grace by disobeying God, nothing funny about that at all.

 

[SeaBass]

You know, from the point of view of a sound man (which I'm) churches with no instruments would be a LOT easier to run sound for. Wouldn't even need a sound board. Just one mic (field mic preferably) piped to an amp and speakers. Maybe an EQ to compensate for speaker quirks. For a solo, hand him the mic. For a group (an acappella group of course) set the mic on a stand in front of the group. No CD player, no 32 inputs, no custom mix to different monitor channels... yeah, that would be the life.

Man, my job is way too hard. Why can't our church go with this no instruments stuff?

Why did they ever use IM to begin with when God said to sing?

 

[tourist]

Because God commanded Christians to sing and anything other than doing as God prescribed is disobedience, sin.


Again, if I do not have to do what God said about singing, then why would I have to do ANYTHING God has said???

The problem with that is that almost all of the everyday things that we do are not mentioned in the bible. Most things that we do each day are not specifically prescribed by God but we rely and act on the knowledge and wisdom that has been acquired.

 

[Lynx]

One falls from grace by disobeying God, nothing funny about that at all.

One can also fall by stumbling over a brother. Or by trying to push a brother down. Or by insulting a brother he disagrees with.

There's a lot of hate in this thread. Diametrically opposite to everything I know about God.

 

[tourist]

This is very strange. I disagree with SeaBass on the main issue, but I disagree with everyone else who is insulting him. Tangled up mess in the brain?

Also I feel I'm invisible in this thread. I asked a question and nobody answered it...

I agree. Personal insults are not called for.

 

[posthuman]

Those that plan on being saved better being obeying what God prescribed and not obeying their personal feelings.

right you are. to the scriptures!
where do they say instrumental music is abominable in His sight?
but i can show you where they say it is good to make music to Him

that is all.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

I agree. Personal insults are not called for.

Also agreed. When you sling mud at others, you not only get your hands dirty, you also lose ground.

 

[notuptome]

This is very strange. I disagree with SeaBass on the main issue, but I disagree with everyone else who is insulting him. Tangled up mess in the brain?

Also I feel I'm invisible in this thread. I asked a question and nobody answered it...

I have no problem with sound tracks but then I have no problem with instruments in church. I'm very conservative in the music area and do not go for the modern contemporary music especially the rock music but using recorded music is no different than using live music for the most part.

Many here have dealt with the poster on many of his clearly unbiblical positions and it is always the same. He will not receive any instruction and he will not trust God to save him by grace. He teaches salvation through water baptism and denies the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer.

He will continue this thread until all the good posters tire of his stubbornness and leave. Then he will convince himself that he was right and that he won.

He can only create strife and animosity. There is never any edification in his threads or his posts. Nobody hates him they just get frustrated at his will to be wrong on biblical subjects.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sirk]

Oh everyone has a tangled up mess in their brain in one way or another.

 

[tourist]

Oh everyone has a tangled up mess in their brain in one way or another.

"Every man commits a crime at one time or another. Whether he was mean to kids or unkind to his mother."

 

[Lynx]

Oh everyone has a tangled up mess in their brain in one way or another.

Yeah... *sigh* Mine is mostly tangles of cat 5e cables and piano wires.

 

[SeaBass]

I suggest you get saved and then study a bit......NO WHERE does it say that the PSALMS were taken out of the way and NO WHERE does it say it is sin to use an instrument to worship God in song with.....at the end of the day you cannot admit error because to admit error is to admit that your COC doctrine is in error and if wrong about this...what else would you be wrong on.....like SALVATION, IMMERSION, what a church is, the practices of a true church etc.....Just one of many things you miss the mark on for sure.....!

---Col 2:14, Eph 2:15; Heb 10:9 all show Christ took ALL the OT out of the way not just part of but all of it, did not eave Psalms but took ALL of it. YOu reject this for you only want to follow what pleases dcontroversial.


---None of the OT was ever given to Christians to keep, but only given to the Jews, Deut 5:2,3. A Christian keeping OT laws is like Americans keeping Chinese laws. Cannot keep laws not given to you.


---Paul point in Romans 4 to Jews that had become Christians yet still clang to the OT law is that the OT law does NOT justify and only brings the wrath of God. So it makes no sense for one to go back to the OT to find what cannot be found.

 

[Sirk]

Yeah... *sigh* Mine is mostly tangles of cat 5e cables and piano wires.

I can relate to that! I'm still trying to talk my mom into paying for my counseler seeins how my dad is dead so she's the only one I can blame now. Haha.