DeMystifying the Trinity

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And that's where you should start.

Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit as a Comforter.

Why not just say he would send the Father as a Comforter?

Jesus' revelation (Heb 1;1-2), which is the NT, presents three separate agents (persons) for a reason.What "spiritual" manifestion?
God is spirit.

What "spiritual manifestation" would he employ?

God is spirit, why isn't he his own spiritual hands and feet in the spiritual realm?
Why the redundancy?

It's not about "manifestation," it's about functions, three separate divine agents with three separate functions, in the one divine being.

Father, Son and Spirit are the same divine being, in three persons, who have always existed, without beginning or end.

The Son didn't originate in Mary.

And there will be no will or voice of these eternal agents (revealed to be persons) apart from one another, because they are the same being.
Oh but it is Elin -trust me IT IS - THE REVELATION came from God's Word - all of IT based on the Word - as soon as you made reference to the Son again and again and again, I knew you DIDN'T SEE IT ...YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T ........'nuff said...Lord bless - Paul
My dear Paul,

Now you know that is a cop-out in lieu of addressing the points presented.
 
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Know and accept the truth of what was accomplished on the cross.
Who?
What?
Why?
All that needs be done is keep asking why until you find the smallest pieces of any verse.
Thank you for 'clearly' answering my question
 
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How much truth do you need to know to have Grace and be in the one church?
Jhn 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jhn 1:15 KJV - John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:16 KJV - And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 
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Jhn 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jhn 1:15 KJV - John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:16 KJV - And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jhn 1:17 KJV - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The following is the truth I believe you need to know according to scripture to be saved/a CHRISTIAN

Repent of your sin, believe the son of God died for you on the cross, ask him into your life as LORD AND Saviour and believe this has been done.
 
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Psalm 17:8 - refers to WINGS - does that mean God has WINGS? ...HE IS A SPIRIT.....NO HANDS OR ARMS ....the right hand of God means ...THE POWER OF GOD........throughout the Bible...and if you read REVELATIONS 4:2 ..what does John see? ONE on the throne...not THREE.....if they are equal...why didn't he see THREE?...because the body (Christ) had served it's purpose as the temple or the tabernacle that housed the Spirit and now fused (for lack of a better word) into the Spirit that IS God......the two manifestations....the man Christ and Holy Spirit has served their purpose according to prophecy......and reconciliation of man back to a Holy God.
Rev 4:2 KJV - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 KJV - And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

This is the Father.

Rev 5:1 KJV - And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 KJV - And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 KJV - And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 KJV - And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 KJV - And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6 KJV - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 KJV - And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

This is Christ.
 
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AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN...AS LONG AS YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO THE TITLES THAT GOD GAVE US TO ACCOMODATE OUR HUMAN UNDERSTANDING TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HIS MANIFESTATIONS, THERE'S NO COMMON GROUND - IT'S LIKE DEBATING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE ...WITH THE BIBLE...SAME THING....I'VE EXHAUSTED MY BEST EFFORTS TO BRING IT TO LIGHT........YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T - LORD BLESS
Jhn 3:12 KJV - If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
Jhn 3:13 KJV - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

Mat 3:2 KJV - And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 4:17 KJV - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:7 KJV - And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The Son of Man is in the Body, i.e. Kingdom of Heaven.

Jhn 3:14 KJV - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Jhn 20:17 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Jhn 3:15 KJV - That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 KJV - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 KJV - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
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if Jehovah is the Son,
what is the Father's Name?

Jehovah (pron.: /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is the latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as "Yehowah" or "Yahweh".[1][2]
G2424 Iesous ee-ay-sooce'


of Hebrew origin (H3091);


Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites.




KJV: Jesus.

H3091 Yhowshuwa` yeh-ho-shoo'-ah


or Yhowshua {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah};


from H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader. Compare H1954, H3442.




KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
 
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KICKING THE DUST OFF MY FEET.....JESUS TOLD ME TO DO THAT WITH ANYONE THAT REJECTS HIS DOCTRINE.

Mate, this Biblical quote isn't aimed at people promoting false teachings but at God's prophets of truth. The Trinity is a biblical understanding of the three personhood of God and it is Truth.
Actually, it refers to the removal of the flesh from the soul.
 
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3 persons... But Monotheistic?

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Does Scripture present the Father as a person (by use of personal pronouns, he, him, his)?

Is the Son the same person as the Father?

Is the Holy Spirit a person (whom Jesus referred to as he, him, his)?
 
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Just do a search on the forums, you'll find the Trinity topic comes up often. The Trinity is Truth, God in three persons. One God = 3 persons, not 3 Gods. Purely biblical and still a monotheistic religion.
that is funny...so those are three persons are not gods now...another trinatrian was adamant that the three were ,,,God the Father God the Son and God the Spirit....so who are your three persons that are not Gods......
 
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In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776
(Gen 1:1)


God H430 = elohiym (plural)

and from JFB Commentary,
"God — the name of the Supreme Being, signifying in Hebrew, “Strong,” “Mighty.” It is expressive of omnipotent power; and by its use here in the plural form, is obscurely taught at the opening of the Bible, a doctrine clearly revealed in other parts of it, namely, that though God is one, there is a plurality of persons in the Godhead - Father, Son, and Spirit, who were engaged in the creative work (Pro_8:27; Joh_1:3, Joh_1:10; Eph_3:9; Heb_1:2; Job_26:13)."
by now you should have figured out the word was in the beginning with God and all things was made by the word of God sometimes referred to as the Spirit of God or the Hand of God or even the angel of God...the same word that was made flesh...
 
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Do you not yet know that The Father, Son and Spirit have the same singular name...?

Observe...


Mat 28.19-20
Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.


If you take the time to study scripture, then you will quickly see that a TRIUNE baptism is what Jesus, Himself, spoke of...
that scripture is suspect....Jesus speaking about himself as if he wasn't there... the conspiracy to fit a trinity into scripture is already recorded in.. comma johannine
 
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This is elementary a third grader could school you.
 
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that scripture is suspect....
Show us....



Jesus speaking about himself as if he wasn't there...
That must be why He directly mentions Himself.



the conspiracy to fit a trinity into scripture is already recorded in.. comma johannine
The Trinity does not rely upon one scripture.

The Whole Bible is available for proof of The Trinity.

Contrast this to your dozen or so pet scriptures, taken out of context....

You have nothing.

 
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Show us....





That must be why He directly mentions Himself.





The Trinity does not rely upon one scripture.

The Whole Bible is available for proof of The Trinity.

Contrast this to your dozen or so pet scriptures, taken out of context....

You have nothing.

a little leaven leaven the whole lump....you take it upon yourself to promote God as a trinity...nowhere in scripture did he command this ...nowhere did he encourage it...and nowhere did he mention it...you are living a dream...
 
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This is a very sensitive subject matter but I feel needs to be exposed - the Bible lets us know that "Holy men of God" were inspired by the Holy Ghost to write the Books that make up the Bible - I do not pretend to be one of them but ...I was born again (water and Spirit) 30 years ago and live my life in the doctrine of Jesus Christ - and I specify that because there are 2 doctrines - God's and man's interpretation(s) of God's - the latter, subject to the influences in our lives (parents, teachers, friends, environment etc.) - prompts the question: "How can we know what God's doctrine is?" Let me begin......there are also..... 2 "kinds" of Christians ...those that readily believe that God is ONE but....made up of 3 entities (no other way to put it) ....the Trinity....not found in the Bible...and in the time of Christ on earth not even conceived....that's why the disciples had no trouble believing what they'd been taught to believe all their lives, from infancy......told day after day..."Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE Lord".....why do you think Jehovah had them say that to their children from the day they were born? Because He knew that the time would come, when man would believe a "man doctrine" that would teach that He was a triune entity.....and that day didn't come until 300 years after Christ was risen at a council in Nicea by a group of men (no mention that they were holy men of God)....The Bible tells us that "God is the same, yesterday, today and forever." So tell me this; why would He tell his people for thousands of years that He was ONE (use terms like "no other beside me, I ALONE, before Abraham I AM etc.") ....never even imply that He had a Son and...and a Holy Ghost?????? with Him...and come along at a council 300 years (no less) after Christ left the earth only to tell them that "by the way, there are 3 of us here but we still only make up ONE)? say what?... a change? but I thought He didn't change ...Oops ....then we have those that believe that God really is ONE who MANIFESTED Himself as a man so that he could reconcile the world back to himself on a cross (shed blood - a Spirit cannot shed blood but, a man can) - Just like He was able to manifest Himself as a burning bush, an angel, a bird, a pillar of fire, a cloud by day, a fourth in the fiery furnace, He manifested himself as a MAN but didn't change who he was - the terms Father and Son are terms used to accomodate our finite minds - that's why the Bible tells us that he was BEGOTTEN in time (at some point in time God became Man in the person of Jesus Christ) but wait.....I'll tell you why most people don't get all that....it has to be revealed....the natural mind cannot grasp it (I Cor 2:14) ...these things have to be REVEALED to those that really want to know the TRUTH (the whole TRUTH) and not some interpretation of IT. I have so much more on the subject...if you want more.....and you have the heart of a seeker...let me know..I'll e-mail you some fascinating insights into this erroneous TRINITY......Paul
Hi Eager! (I said Eagleridge)

Most of the Pauline´s greetins letters I have read say something like this:


1Co 1:1 Greetings from Paul. I was chosen to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. God chose me because that is what he wanted. Greetings also from Sosthenes, our brother in Christ.

2Co 1:1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted. Greetings also from Timothy our brother in Christ. To God's church in Corinth and to all of God's holy people throughout Achaia.

(...)
1Ti 1:1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope.

Tit 1:1 Greetings from Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I was sent to help God's chosen people have faith and understand the truth that produces a life of devotion to God.

In simple words, even the so famous man mentioned 2 simple persons, not three...

The reason? God is Spirit

Joh 4:24 God is spirit. So the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

Joh 3:34 God sent him, and he tells people what God says. God gives him the Spirit fully.


The rest is part of the RCC teachings.


Thanks for helping on that touchy item.