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SeaBass

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Sirk said:
But can you sing perfectly....no. It's a good thing perfection is not required of you in and of yourself.
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No, God did not command perfect singing but commanded 'sing'. I know of nowhere in the NT that God requires flawless perfection of men but does require a faithful obedience if one is to be saved.
 
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posthuman said:
common sense is that when the Holy Spirit inspired David to write that it is good to make music to the Lord on an instrument of ten strings, He wasn't kidding.
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Psalms was inspired but AGAIN, Christ took ALL the OT out of the way (including Psalms) Col 2:14; Eph 2:15; Heb 10:9 making it all inactive, ineffective. One must find justification in the NT for IM. Following the OT does not make one a Christian, does not justify, is not what Christians were told to follow in worshipping God. Not only this you are cherry picking out of Psalms. What about Psa 66:13,15?
 
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SeaBass said:
No, God did not command perfect singing but commanded 'sing'. I know of nowhere in the NT that God requires flawless perfection of men but does require a faithful obedience if one is to be saved.
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If faithful obedience is required to be saved, then, except for children and small animals, we are all lost.
 
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posthuman said:

well the Psalms say "praise the Lord, all you people!"

so i guess you'd better stop praising Him, for your conscious' sake.
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The NT says to praise God, Heb 13:15......with the lips.

So do you offer animal sacrifices, make purifications, build a tabernacle, and follow all the 600+ commandments of the OT? If not, why?
 
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posthuman said:
if that were in any way true, then when God said "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" that automatically eliminates eating or drinking any earthly food or drink.
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He was not saying one literal eats his flesh and drinks His literal blood.
 
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Sirk said:
Seabass reminds me of Cain smashing Abel over the head with a rock out of jealousy of abels worship offering.
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All I am saying is that the NT commands the Christian to sing and that's what Christians should do. This nothing at all that is hard to understand but God said to sing so why don't people do what God said for Christians to do?

Again, if one does not have to do what God said when it comes to singing, then one does not have to do what God says when it comes to anything else, right?
 
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oldthennew said:
we all have to acknowledge that at some time we all actually may teach in error-
until we come to the fullness of the Truth, through the Holy Spirit,
so we MUST all humble ourselves and acknowledge that we are
on THE journey and we MUST give allowances to one
another through Godly Love.
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When God commands sing and I teach men are to sing then that is teaching truth, > sing equals sing

When God commands sing yet one teaches men are to play then that is error, > sing does not equal play
 
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notuptome said:
That is a gross misunderstanding of what Christ said. The law co-exists with grace just fine. The law has always pointed to the necessity of grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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The law does not justify/make one righteous, the law is not of faith, the law required animal sacrifices for sins that are remembered.

The NT does justify, it is of faith and has the blood of Christ that completely remits sins that are remembered no more.


NOT COMPATIBLE AT ALL.
 
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SeaBass said:
When God commands sing and I teach men are to sing then that is teaching truth, > sing equals sing

When God commands sing yet one teaches men are to play then that is error, > sing does not equal play
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Is it acceptable to clap hands and tap feet while singing?
 
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tourist said:
Is it acceptable to clap hands and tap feet while singing?
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only if you want to have them cut off by those who don't understand Scripture, and just make up stuff to have a theology upon which to found a movement...................sigh.............

Psalm 150 is fairly clear.............but then.............. :(
 
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Lynx said:
I have to disagree. When I go to our favorite local restaurant and order a plate of pan fried chicken livers (which are flat-out good by the way) it comes with other stuff - fries and a one-trip salad bar. I don't tell the waitress I want all that stuff, I tell her I want a liver plate.

Worship came with instruments and there is nowhere in the Bible where it says "Stop using instruments."

You need at least a better analogy. Probably a better hobby too... this hobby of railing at people on internet forums (fori?) seems to be a waste of time and not very satisfying, unless you just get off on arguing with people.
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When you order, do you go thru the entire menu telling the waitress all you do NOT want until you have eliminated everything but the one thing you do want? Or do you just tell her the one thing you do want?
 
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SeaBass said:
Did God command to sing AND clap hands/tap feet?
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do we have to wait for God to command us to rejoice in Him before we respond to Him with joy and gladness?
 
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Ukorin said:
Only the OT ceremonies that are specifically mentioned as nullified by the New Covenant are to be treated with such disregard, and NONE of them deserve the contempt you have placed upon this topic.

Why is it that we don't sacrifice animals to God? Would it displeased Him? No.
We don't sacrifice animals for the sake of our own consciences, that we may be tempted to put faith in a redundant ritual, rather than in Christ. Sacrifices were actually done away with in Christ, as He is the complete and perfect sacrifice. If you are in Christ, you have no sin, and therefore no need of additional sacrifice for atonement.
What other command is as redundant as sacrifice of animals to cover sins? None.
Are grain offerings banned by the NT? Are tithes banned by the NT? Is not cutting the edges of my beard banned by the NT? Is leaving the corners of my field unharvested banned by the NT?

No Law is banned by the New Covenant. Only those who have placed their faith back in laws, rather than in the Blood of Christ, are judged as under the Law. The precepts of the Law are always good, and it's commands are always good.
Playing instruments was never an OT command for the people of God, but it was always commended as good and pleasing to God as praise. Has God changed?

For those who seek to be given rules, beyond what is stated in Scripture, are under law just as much or even more than any Hebrew. Who of you can live up to the standard of Christ? And yet you place yourselves under laws even He was not subject to. Distracted by "holy" culture!!! The Pharesees and Plato would applaud.
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There is no distinction made between moral and ceremonial laws. Christ did away with ALL the OT.

In Rom 7, Paul writing to Christian Jews in Rome said they were "dead to the law" verse 4 and they were "released from the law" verse 6. Paul did not make any distinction between moral or ceremonial laws but that they were dead/released from ALL of it.
 
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Ukorin said:
Who is at risk of placing their salvational maintenance upon their listening to and/or making of instrumental music?
I have never met such a person.
Only such a person would be banned from musical instruments.
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If God commands a Christian to do "A" but the Christians does "B", will that Christian be saved anyway though he disobeys God?
 
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SeaBass said:
If God commands a Christian to do "A" but the Christians does "B", will that Christian be saved anyway though he disobeys God?
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how about if last year, God said "it is good to do A and B" but he never said you had to do either A or B...
and this year, God's apostle said "it is good to do B" (where B is universally associated with A) -- and never said "you must do B"
and throughout all eternity neither God nor any of His disciples has ever said "you must not do A!"

then is it a sin to do A?
 
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