Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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PlainWord

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Hold on a min...some are claiming that its Islam that is the harlot ...and that some how Islam is the source of the deception...even if a you place a "man of sin" in the context of Islam...they cannot deceive Christians into this ignorant and silly system of religion. Now if your saying Islam is going to yield to some less radical form of religion? I don't see that happening either! So exactly how do you think Islam is going to change into a system that can deceive Christians through this man of sin?
The ISLAMIC deception has already happened. It began in the 630s AD and has now deceived 1/4 of the earth. MECCA already exists. Muslims already bow down to the Kaaba Stone (an image fallen from the sky). The "kings of the earth" are already made rich and living luxuriously with the Harlot. Any Muslim living in the Muslim world who fails to fall down and worship 5 times a day to MECCA is killed now. The deception of the Muslim world is complete.

But a change has started. No longer is Islam a religion of peace, it is becoming a religion of death and killing. It has become increasingly radical. It will become a global killing machine and this has started. The whole world does not fall for Islam. This is the part that is deceived. All the players mentioned in end times prophesy are here.

 

PlainWord

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Although I disagree with much of what you say, I totally agree with you that "the pre-tribulation rapture" teaching is a bunch of unscriptural nonsense. Christ will return AFTER the tribulation...just as He said that He would.
That is really the most important thing between the two ideas we are discussing.
 

PlainWord

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Hold on Im trying to take in parts of that last post I responded to...so who is it that thinks Islam is the harlot...because that's who I addressed my question to?
It sounds like Plainword don't see Islam as part of the deception at all?
Again, ISLAM has deceived 1/4 of the world and it has taken this 1/4 of the world over. This is the fourth seal. It has been opened.

[h=3]Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

The horse is GREEN, not pale. The Greek word used is Chloros which is translated correctly everywhere else it is used as GREEN but translated Pale here only because the translators did not understand a Green Horse. Green is the official color of Islam. ISLAM "rides" this horse. The name of this DEATH. ISLAM kills. Instead of going to heaven and receiving 72 virgins, those who kill for ISLAM go to Hades - Hades follows them. They kill by warfare, by famine (starvation as most poor countries are ISLAMIC) and by BEASTS (which are nations) state sponsored terror and enforcement of religious laws by the state/BEASTS.

So, Islam is a HUGE part of the deception. But the deception is not global. It is limited to the area I showed above. It is limited to 1/4 of the earth as John tells us in Rev 6. Rev 13 describes the rebirth of the 7th beast empire, the Beast from the SEA. The SEA are people and the location is the lion, bear, leopard nations. This rebirth of the Ottoman Empire which was ISLAMIC 1299 to 1922 was born out of Rome from the Eastern Roman Empire AKA the Byzantine Empire at Constantinople, Turkey. The Little Horn AKA, MAN of SIN AKA AntiChrist will come from here.
 
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The ISLAMIC deception has already happened. It began in the 630s AD and has now deceived 1/4 of the earth. MECCA already exists. Muslims already bow down to the Kaaba Stone (an image fallen from the sky). The "kings of the earth" are already made rich and living luxuriously with the Harlot. Any Muslim living in the Muslim world who fails to fall down and worship 5 times a day to MECCA is killed now. The deception of the Muslim world is complete.

But a change has started. No longer is Islam a religion of peace, it is becoming a religion of death and killing. It has become increasingly radical. It will become a global killing machine and this has started. The whole world does not fall for Islam. This is the part that is deceived. All the players mentioned in end times prophesy are here.


Besides that look at where they place that Kaaba Stone, compared to what the Lord is to our faith;

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Now look at their idol placement;
 

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I think a lot of the confusion on here is because people think the entire world converts to some global religion. This is a simple misunderstanding. This misunderstand comes from Rev 13:14-18. However, there is no other supporting passage telling us of a global war or that the Islamic beast goes over the entire globe. All other passages such as Daniel, Ezek, Jer, Isa etc discuss a regional battle name nations in the region of the Middle East.
 

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Besides that look at where they place that Kaaba Stone, compared to what the Lord is to our faith;

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Now look at their idol placement;
Yes, I know. ISLAM is totally the false religion that angers God so much with roots back to Babylon.
 

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I think a lot of the confusion on here is because people think the entire world converts to some global religion. This is a simple misunderstanding.
Yet...the biggest problem on why most people don't/won't try to understand Revelation?

They wait for a/some/who knows religion that will take over Christianity (billions of followers, who are "waiting for this, so that they can "deny" this religion anyway)
Islam (millions/billions of followers, some bent on killing Christians-- they have no time for a new religion)

Between the two beliefs...who/what could possibly "fool" 2/3's of the world, out of their dedication to Jesus or Allah, during the end times?
I will never understand how people can even think this?
 
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Yet...the biggest problem on why most people don't/won't try to understand Revelation?

They wait for a/some/who knows religion that will take over Christianity (billions of followers, who are "waiting for this, so that they can "deny" this religion anyway)
Islam (millions/billions of followers, some bent on killing Christians-- they have no time for a new religion)

Between the two beliefs...who/what could possibly "fool" 2/3's of the world, out of their dedication to Jesus or Allah, during the end times?
I will never understand how people can even think this?

For the answer to this we need to go to Paul and what he said in 2 Thessalonians 2;

[h=1]2 Thessalonians 2:1-8[/h]2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Now if the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, what is to stop the antichrist from deceiving people? Nothing, as the Holy Spirit is the restrainer that keeps the antichrist/man of sin coming to full power and deceiving tons of people....The falling away is taking place, but the Holy Spirit has not yet been removed.
 
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I think a lot of the confusion on here is because people think the entire world converts to some global religion. This is a simple misunderstanding. This misunderstand comes from Rev 13:14-18. However, there is no other supporting passage telling us of a global war or that the Islamic beast goes over the entire globe. All other passages such as Daniel, Ezek, Jer, Isa etc discuss a regional battle name nations in the region of the Middle East.
The final events will be global, involving all the world. It will not however require submission by all to one religion or form of worship, it will simply require submission to one particular that will that will exclude God's true followers from participation but allow for it by all others. This will make the separation predicted and necessary without everyone having to submit to one religion or religious authority save in this one point or thing. It will and does involve the unification of all humanity concerning just this one thing. This is Rome's vision, a unified humanity of diversity allowing for all things save authentic worship of the true God. These plans are well under way.
 
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The scary part about ISIS is they are the best funded terrorists in history.
I read somewhere, the oil fields they have taken and trade being done is in the order of $1m per day.
That buys a lot of weapons and infrastructure.
 

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The scary part about ISIS is they are the best funded terrorists in history.
I read somewhere, the oil fields they have taken and trade being done is in the order of $1m per day.
That buys a lot of weapons and infrastructure.
U.S. Aid Helping to Fund ISIS

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The Obama administration's foreign policy actions continue to be against America's best interests, as reports indicate that federal aid is being funneled to the very people the U.S. military is battling.
According to the Daily Beast, American warplanes are striking militants belonging to the Islamic State in both Syria and Iraq while “truckloads of U.S. and Western aid have been flowing into territory controlled by the jihadists.”
The aid from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) is intended for displaced Syrians and hungry civilians, but debate is fierce over whether to continue to provide the help. Advocates say that cutting off the aid will hurt innocent civilians and help fuel propaganda against the West, but opponents point out that there is no reason to continue to provide aid that does not reach its intended destination, and is instead funding terrorism.
Aid convoys are forced to pay ISIS leaders to allow the convoys to enter the regions where the extremists have a stronghold, providing yet another source of income for ISIS, which is already funded through oil smuggling, extortion, and the sale of what its members loot from nearby sites.
“The convoys have to be approved by ISIS and you have to pay them: The bribes are disguised and itemized as transportation costs,” an aid coordinator told the Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity. He explained that the money is paid by foreign or local nongovernmental organizations which must distribute the aid, or by the Turkish or Syrian transportation companies contracted to deliver it.
And whether any of the aid actually reaches the civilians is unknown. The Daily Beast reports that there is some concern that the food and clothing are sold on the black market.
In the Syrian provinces of Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor, ISIS is insisting that NGOs employ people approved by ISIS.
“There is always at least one ISIS person on the payroll; they force people on us,” says an aid coordinator.
Aid workers are painfully aware that members of ISIS are receiving the aid they are delivering and have expressed outrage at what's happening.
“A few months ago we delivered a mobile clinic for a USAID-funded NGO,” says one, who declined to be named. “A few of us debated the rights and wrongs of this. The clinic was earmarked for the treatment of civilians, but we all know that wounded ISIS fighters could easily be treated as well. So what are we doing here helping their fighters, who we are bombing, to be treated so they can fight again?”
It is worth noting that the aid programs originated before Obama announced the war on ISIS, but even as State Department officials are aware that ISIS is benefitting from U.S. aid, no major review of the relief programs has been conducted and no significant changes have been made.
“I am alarmed that we are providing support for ISIS governance,” declared Jonathan Schanzer, a Mideast expert with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “By doing so we are indemnifying the militants by satisfying the core demands of local people, who could turn on ISIS if they got frustrated.”
Of course, this is not the first time that American taxpayer dollars have been used to fund questionable or openly corrupt organizations.
In December of 2013, the Overseas Development Institute reported that during the 2011 famine in Somalia, aid agencies there had been paying members of the al-Shabaab militant group in order to gain access to areas under their control. Members of al-Shabaab demanded “registration fees,” and often insisted on distributing the aid themselves. Many times, they kept much of the aid for themselves.
Also in 2013, the New York Times reported that American investigators uncovered data surrounding the Zurmat Material Testing Laboratory, affiliated with the Zurmat Group, an Afghan company that “investigators say was paid to do work at an American-controlled facility in November 2012, despite having been blacklisted two months before by one part of the military for providing bomb-making materials to insurgents.”
This was brought to the attention of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel by the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction in a letter last week.
The New York Times wrote:
According to other documents and a review of internal Pentagon communications obtained by The Times, the United States Central Command, which oversees the war in Afghanistan, requested in 2012 that Zurmat and its subsidiaries, along with more than 40 other companies and individuals believed to have ties to insurgents, be “debarred” by the Army. This would formally ban them from doing work for any part of the United States government.
At the time, officials estimated that those contractors had collectively been awarded more than $150 million in work for the American-led coalition over a 10-year period.
In 2011, a U.S. military report revealed that the United States had been funding its enemies to the tune of approximately $360 million. After a careful examination of combat support and reconstruction contracts, researchers determined that U.S. tax dollars had ended up with the Taliban and other enemies whom the United States has been fighting for the past decade.
The Blaze noted at the time that report was released:
The losses underscore the challenges the U.S. and its international partners face in overcoming corruption in Afghanistan. A central part of the Obama administration’s strategy has been to award U.S.-financed contracts to Afghan businesses to help improve quality of life and stoke the country’s economy.
The investigation into the contracts, led by U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus, revealed many connections between the Afghan companies and their subcontractors to groups that the military would classify as “malign actors.”
Former Texas representative and GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul warned against taxpayer-funded terrorism when he wrote in 2001:
We should recognize that American tax dollars helped to create the very Taliban government that now wants to destroy us. In the late 1970s and early 80s, the CIA was very involved in the training and funding of various fundamentalist Islamic groups in Afghanistan, some of which later became today’s brutal Taliban government. In fact, the U.S. government admits to giving the groups at least 6 billion dollars in military aid and weaponry, a staggering sum that would be even larger in today’s dollars.
Our foolish funding of Afghan terrorists hardly ended in the 1980s, however. Millions of your tax dollars continue to pour into Afghanistan even today.
And still, taxpayer dollars are funnelled to America’s enemies.
 
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U.S. Aid Helping to Fund ISIS

Written by Raven Clabough





The Obama administration's foreign policy actions continue to be against America's best interests, as reports indicate that federal aid is being funneled to the very people the U.S. military is battling.
According to the Daily Beast, American warplanes are striking militants belonging to the Islamic State in both Syria and Iraq while “truckloads of U.S. and Western aid have been flowing into territory controlled by the jihadists.”
The aid from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) is intended for displaced Syrians and hungry civilians, but debate is fierce over whether to continue to provide the help. Advocates say that cutting off the aid will hurt innocent civilians and help fuel propaganda against the West, but opponents point out that there is no reason to continue to provide aid that does not reach its intended destination, and is instead funding terrorism.
Aid convoys are forced to pay ISIS leaders to allow the convoys to enter the regions where the extremists have a stronghold, providing yet another source of income for ISIS, which is already funded through oil smuggling, extortion, and the sale of what its members loot from nearby sites.
“The convoys have to be approved by ISIS and you have to pay them: The bribes are disguised and itemized as transportation costs,” an aid coordinator told the Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity. He explained that the money is paid by foreign or local nongovernmental organizations which must distribute the aid, or by the Turkish or Syrian transportation companies contracted to deliver it.
And whether any of the aid actually reaches the civilians is unknown. The Daily Beast reports that there is some concern that the food and clothing are sold on the black market.
In the Syrian provinces of Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor, ISIS is insisting that NGOs employ people approved by ISIS.
“There is always at least one ISIS person on the payroll; they force people on us,” says an aid coordinator.
Aid workers are painfully aware that members of ISIS are receiving the aid they are delivering and have expressed outrage at what's happening.
“A few months ago we delivered a mobile clinic for a USAID-funded NGO,” says one, who declined to be named. “A few of us debated the rights and wrongs of this. The clinic was earmarked for the treatment of civilians, but we all know that wounded ISIS fighters could easily be treated as well. So what are we doing here helping their fighters, who we are bombing, to be treated so they can fight again?”
It is worth noting that the aid programs originated before Obama announced the war on ISIS, but even as State Department officials are aware that ISIS is benefitting from U.S. aid, no major review of the relief programs has been conducted and no significant changes have been made.
“I am alarmed that we are providing support for ISIS governance,” declared Jonathan Schanzer, a Mideast expert with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “By doing so we are indemnifying the militants by satisfying the core demands of local people, who could turn on ISIS if they got frustrated.”
Of course, this is not the first time that American taxpayer dollars have been used to fund questionable or openly corrupt organizations.
In December of 2013, the Overseas Development Institute reported that during the 2011 famine in Somalia, aid agencies there had been paying members of the al-Shabaab militant group in order to gain access to areas under their control. Members of al-Shabaab demanded “registration fees,” and often insisted on distributing the aid themselves. Many times, they kept much of the aid for themselves.
Also in 2013, the New York Times reported that American investigators uncovered data surrounding the Zurmat Material Testing Laboratory, affiliated with the Zurmat Group, an Afghan company that “investigators say was paid to do work at an American-controlled facility in November 2012, despite having been blacklisted two months before by one part of the military for providing bomb-making materials to insurgents.”
This was brought to the attention of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel by the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction in a letter last week.
The New York Times wrote:
According to other documents and a review of internal Pentagon communications obtained by The Times, the United States Central Command, which oversees the war in Afghanistan, requested in 2012 that Zurmat and its subsidiaries, along with more than 40 other companies and individuals believed to have ties to insurgents, be “debarred” by the Army. This would formally ban them from doing work for any part of the United States government.
At the time, officials estimated that those contractors had collectively been awarded more than $150 million in work for the American-led coalition over a 10-year period.
In 2011, a U.S. military report revealed that the United States had been funding its enemies to the tune of approximately $360 million. After a careful examination of combat support and reconstruction contracts, researchers determined that U.S. tax dollars had ended up with the Taliban and other enemies whom the United States has been fighting for the past decade.
The Blaze noted at the time that report was released:
The losses underscore the challenges the U.S. and its international partners face in overcoming corruption in Afghanistan. A central part of the Obama administration’s strategy has been to award U.S.-financed contracts to Afghan businesses to help improve quality of life and stoke the country’s economy.
The investigation into the contracts, led by U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus, revealed many connections between the Afghan companies and their subcontractors to groups that the military would classify as “malign actors.”
Former Texas representative and GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul warned against taxpayer-funded terrorism when he wrote in 2001:
We should recognize that American tax dollars helped to create the very Taliban government that now wants to destroy us. In the late 1970s and early 80s, the CIA was very involved in the training and funding of various fundamentalist Islamic groups in Afghanistan, some of which later became today’s brutal Taliban government. In fact, the U.S. government admits to giving the groups at least 6 billion dollars in military aid and weaponry, a staggering sum that would be even larger in today’s dollars.
Our foolish funding of Afghan terrorists hardly ended in the 1980s, however. Millions of your tax dollars continue to pour into Afghanistan even today.
And still, taxpayer dollars are funnelled to America’s enemies.

Yes this is a major risk in a war ravaged area, the aid that is suppose to go to the innocent people getting slaughtered getting into the hands of those doing the slaughtering. It would be a worse thing to sit back and do nothing, then at least try to get this aid into them regardless the risk. Yes I know we funded the Taliban and even trained Bin Laden, but we should still not sit back and help innocent people being killed.
 

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The final events will be global, involving all the world. It will not however require submission by all to one religion or form of worship, it will simply require submission to one particular that will that will exclude God's true followers from participation but allow for it by all others. This will make the separation predicted and necessary without everyone having to submit to one religion or religious authority save in this one point or thing. It will and does involve the unification of all humanity concerning just this one thing. This is Rome's vision, a unified humanity of diversity allowing for all things save authentic worship of the true God. These plans are well under way.
Revelation is a highly spiritual book. We cannot and should not use Revelation in a vacuum to void other passages. There is no teaching outside of Revelation of a Global One World Government lead by the AntiChrist and his One World Religion. There is no teaching outside of Revelation that says everyone in the world must worship the AntiChrist and take his mark. Even the Revelation teaching is unclear to the scale. John speaks of "earth and sea." These could be regions. This "global" stuff is fiction and people like Time LaHaye have made millions on promoting something which is nothing more than a theory.

If you read Dan 11-12 you will not find a global campaign. You find a regional battle involving part of Europe, part of Asia, part of northern Africa and of course the Middle East. If you study Ezek 38-39, same thing. Same thing in Jer 50 and Isaiah. Same thing in Amos, Zechariah and the other minor prophets. The "world" or "earth" is the known world or earth to John.

I do believe we are in the beginning stages of the end. I do believe a highly spiritual being with super natural powers is coming to deceive. How extensive this deception is remains unknown. We do know a ton of Christians are killed somehow because they are seen in heaven. How this happens is anybody's guess. We know 1/3 of Israel will return to their God and will be spared. We know that life continues after this horrible period of Satanic Tribulation. We do know that the Lord will kill a ton of people (I think 1/3 of them).
 
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Yes this is a major risk in a war ravaged area, the aid that is suppose to go to the innocent people getting slaughtered getting into the hands of those doing the slaughtering. It would be a worse thing to sit back and do nothing, then at least try to get this aid into them regardless the risk. Yes I know we funded the Taliban and even trained Bin Laden, but we should still not sit back and help innocent people being killed.
Syria is being overthrown because Assad (not saying hes a good guy) would not join the money changers fractional reserve banking system....

The only innocents that are dying are not from his side starting it... All this info came out a few yeas ago... Its not hidden.
 
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Syria is being overthrown because Assad (not saying hes a good guy) would not join the money changers fractional reserve banking system....

The only innocents that are dying are not from his side starting it... All this info came out a few yeas ago... Its not hidden.
Assad is a dictator that has been slaughtering his own people just like Saddam Hussein did, that is why the free Syrian army stepped up against him. Now you have ISIS as well in the battle, so you have war going from three different angles in Syria. All the while the civilians that are not involved are being killed in the cross fire.
Neither side in this three way battle are innocent by any means, and all of them have no love for America, but that still does not mean the civilians that are suffering should not get help.
 

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Assad is a dictator that has been slaughtering his own people just like Saddam Hussein did, that is why the free Syrian army stepped up against him. Now you have ISIS as well in the battle, so you have war going from three different angles in Syria. All the while the civilians that are not involved are being killed in the cross fire.
Neither side in this three way battle are innocent by any means, and all of them have no love for America, but that still does not mean the civilians that are suffering should not get help.
Who gave Saddam chemical weapons? Donald Rumsf..... something or other....

Im not saying any of these "leaders" are "good"

but you miss the big picture to understanding this "beast system" IMO...

key terms to understand

"ordo ab chao"

"destabilization"

"democracy"

"fractional reserve banking"

"the grand chess board"

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Yet...the biggest problem on why most people don't/won't try to understand Revelation?

They wait for a/some/who knows religion that will take over Christianity (billions of followers, who are "waiting for this, so that they can "deny" this religion anyway)
Islam (millions/billions of followers, some bent on killing Christians-- they have no time for a new religion)

Between the two beliefs...who/what could possibly "fool" 2/3's of the world, out of their dedication to Jesus or Allah, during the end times?
I will never understand how people can even think this?
1/3 of the world considers themselves Christian right now. They believe there is a God who created them. The other 2/3 of the world right now do not believe this. Therefore 2/3 of the world are already deceived. These 2/3 already belong to Satan and if they do not turn to the Lord, they will all be condemned to hell.

1/4 of the world is Muslim and they follow ISLAM, the false god and prophet. They are already deceived. Paul tells us "The Man of Sin" is coming. Daniel calls this entity "the King of the North" and who John calls the "Beast from the Earth." Ezekiel calls him the "Prince of Tyre." This entity elevates himself above all called God. This entity is none other than Satan come in the flesh.

Since Satan already owns the ISLAMIC world, getting them to think he is Allah or Muhammad or whatever is no hard task especially if he does something amazing.
 

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Who gave Saddam chemical weapons? Donald Rumsf..... something or other....

Im not saying any of these "leaders" are "good"

but you miss the big picture to understanding this "beast system" IMO...

key terms to understand

"ordo ab chao"

"destabilization"

"democracy"

"fractional reserve banking"

"the grand chess board"

......
YES. Satan's deception takes many forms. It is Muslim in part of the world, Hindu in another part, Buddhist in yet another part, etc. As long as people are not worshiping the one True God, Satan owns their heart and minds. In this country, Atheists are ruling the day along with their liberal friends who love killing the unborn in the name of "Woman's Rights." These same liberals running the USA are trying to transform America into another communist country whereby they can control and run everything.

Satan has always wanted a one world government that he can control. He knows Christ will one day do this so as the copy cat, he is trying to do it first using every means possible. The UN, World Bank etc are all part of his plan. But does Satan ever get these fractured elements together under one worship of him? We are not told that he does.

The big thing Satan must do is get rid of all the Christians and believing Jews. Just how he accomplishes this is speculation but we know he does succeed on a large scale. Personally I think it is by deception because both Paul and Jesus warn us of this. To make the deception work, Satan must first convince Christians that Christ comes first which, as we know, is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus and Paul.
 

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YES. Satan's deception takes many forms. It is Muslim in part of the world, Hindu in another part, Buddhist in yet another part, etc. As long as people are not worshiping the one True God, Satan owns their heart and minds. In this country, Atheists are ruling the day along with their liberal friends who love killing the unborn in the name of "Woman's Rights." These same liberals running the USA are trying to transform America into another communist country whereby they can control and run everything.

Satan has always wanted a one world government that he can control. He knows Christ will one day do this so as the copy cat, he is trying to do it first using every means possible. The UN, World Bank etc are all part of his plan. But does Satan ever get these fractured elements together under one worship of him? We are not told that he does.

The big thing Satan must do is get rid of all the Christians and believing Jews. Just how he accomplishes this is speculation but we know he does succeed on a large scale. Personally I think it is by deception because both Paul and Jesus warn us of this. To make the deception work, Satan must first convince Christians that Christ comes first which, as we know, is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus and Paul.
Matt 24:24-25, "For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!"

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.

Yahchanan (John) 14:26, "But the Comforter--the Holy Spirit which Yahweh will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

Yahchanan (John) 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
 

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Back to topic. Jerusalem and by extension - Israel - is not Mystery Babylon. God's Chosen People, the Jewish, are being brought back to the Land. This process started in 1948 and continues to this day. Another call went out from Benjamin Netanyahu recently in light of the terror attacks in Paris. Since Israel became a nation, all attempts to destroy her have failed. Israel has defeated her enemies against overwhelming odds. Yet, Israel is not yet dwelling safely. This is still future. But one day God will execute judgment all around her so that Israel will one day dwell safely. The timing of this is AFTER the Man of Sin AKA Prince of Tyre, AKA AntiChrist, AKA Satan is defeated.

Ezek 28:

[SUP]25 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”


The people could not return and dwell and or around Jerusalem if it were Babylon which was nuked. Therefore, Jerusalem is NOT Babylon. Zechariah agrees:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

There has to be a Jerusalem left for people to come to. Therefore Jerusalem cannot be thrown into the sea like a millstone. God makes clear that He protects Jerusalem. He doesn't destroy it.