Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

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Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Why would the liberal left-wing news media try to throw a presidential election to a Republican? If this is true than Gore's team was incredibly inept. The writer of the article that you posted is biased and his accusations not credible.


The media is not controlled by just the liberal's.....
You can see this by watching different news programs as one would be slated more to what the republican wants to hear, and the other to what the democrat wants to hear. This is a total government ploy to keep the citizens in the U.S. fighting with each other. If people would wake up to this fact the government would no longer have control of its citizens, as they would realize and step up and revamp the system and throw all them idiots from both parties out of office.

Thomas Jefferson warned about our economy becoming like this if we let the bankers and rich politicians take control, and that is exactly what happened and look where we sit. Complete disaster and very close to an economic collapse.
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism.[SUP][1][/SUP] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as democratic elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

Now if any of these things have changed please let me know, because I don't consider myself republican, democrat, or liberal because they all stir up hatred toward one another. But I do respect the ability to keep our civil rights, freedom of religion, private property rights, and so on. Instead of always debating, arguing, and throwing hatred and unedifying speech and words toward one another. Work on realizing and fixing the issues that are wrong in your own parties you support.

NO! NO! the term liberty means liberty from God and moral standards to those who are godless and created all this left-wing stuff...like communist...the first thing they want rid of is the faith of those who believe.
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Well I'm glad to see the evangelical rightwing nutjobs are out in force today. Don't you guys have poor people or single mothers to go spit on today? Or is it Hate the Gay Sunday in wacko Fox News-land?

lol this is kinda funny! But are you not one of those who lecture others on how we are supposed to not insult anyone on the forum? Or is it just those who agree with you? :confused:
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Democratic voter fraud ?
I don't catch what you are trying to say, as the only time there has been a discrepancy in the voting was when Bush was elected. Bush first loss, and then when he called for a recall in a state his uncle was governor of he then won. Fishy as far as I am concerned !!!
This is not me who said this Utah, this is the principles that liberalism was founded on.
Then you mention taxes, sorry but the republicans only keep wanting to lower taxes on the rich but raise them up on the middle to lower classes to. So the tax debate is useless on both sides.

Obama wanted to give free communtiy college which would give people more of an opportunity to advance. Republicans said no !!!
Do you understand that Obama is trying to spend money we don't have! Its not free and all these programs need to challenged and tested to see if we can afford them and if they are really helpful! What if I told you that you could have a free car? It don't mean nothing unless somebody pays for it!
 
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Do you understand that Obama is trying to spend money we don't have! Its not free and all these programs need to challenged and tested to see if we can afford them and if they are really helpful! What if I told you that you could have a free car? It don't mean nothing unless somebody pays for it!


So did the Bushes, so what else is new ?????
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

So did the Bushes, so what else is new ?????
So because my wife blows money and runs up the credit cards debt...that makes it ok for me? What kind of logic is that? And I don't make excuses for any party ...we cannot just make up programs and pretend they are "free" because they are not and one day somebody is going to have to pay the price! I think some believe our government is just one big panzi scam?
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

So because my wife blows money and runs up the credit cards debt...that makes it ok for me? What kind of logic is that? And I don't make excuses for any party ...we cannot just make up programs and pretend they are "free" because they are not and one day somebody is going to have to pay the price! I think some believe our government is just one big panzi scam?


Well my whole debate is toward those who want to bash on liberals or democrats, yet treat republicans as perfect and can not do anything wrong. The republican party is just as guilty for the deficit as the democratic party is, to say other wise is being blinded from their lies and bias government controlled news programs.
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Well my whole debate is toward those who want to bash on liberals or democrats, yet treat republicans as perfect and can not do anything wrong. The republican party is just as guilty for the deficit as the democratic party is, to say other wise is being blinded from their lies and bias government controlled news programs.
Well at least they say we need to keep a budget and don't pretend we can just spend like it don't have to be repayed...There are some Repubs that try to restrict spending....there used to be some bluedog Dems that seem to have a little sense, but thye have been run out of the party.
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Well my whole debate is toward those who want to bash on liberals or democrats, yet treat republicans as perfect and can not do anything wrong. The republican party is just as guilty for the deficit as the democratic party is, to say other wise is being blinded from their lies and bias government controlled news programs.
Please provide specific examples to support the red highlighted statement. I have never seen nor heard anyone, not even Rush Limbaugh suggest that Republicans are perfect. Don't exaggerate and don't dismiss this request. Who treats Republicans as perfect?
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

Please provide specific examples to support the red highlighted statement. I have never seen nor heard anyone, not even Rush Limbaugh suggest that Republicans are perfect. Don't exaggerate and don't dismiss this request. Who treats Republicans as perfect?

There is a little bit of cognitive dissonance happening with this one. Kenneth I mean....
 
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Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

I agree with part of your post but we do know that some of the big liberal thinkers have suggested this very thing needs to be done...the old system of family and faith needs to be destroyed so they can build a better society... Is it very much a part of the agenda for some to destroy the traditional ideas that many of us believe have made us the great nation we are.

That's just a scary way of saying, "change".

In my earnest belief, and from all the evidence presented, it is the heartfelt desire of true liberals to turn the United States of America into the UNITED SOCIALIST STATES of AMERICA............ALL of the evidence presented over the last 50 years proves this out.............and they have made GREAT STRIDES just in the last six years!

When did I say liberals weren't trying to socialize America? Their intentions are not to destroy America, or to put America into ruin. Their goal is to help America by making it more socialist. That's their intention. Are they right? Of course not! But their intentions are good, if only misguided.

Liberals are extremely malicious; they're divisionists who work their division with the power of hatred as their winnowing fork. Racism, sexism and classism are their divine trinity. And as far as sincerity, liberals are sincere about being fascists hypocrites, demanding people do as they say, not as they do.

Liberals don't want fascism for fascism sake. They want a government that takes from those who have plenty and give to those who don't have enough. You keep trying to lie about liberal's intentions.

Liberals sincerely want what's best for America. I know that's very hard to grasp, but it's true.

You can't live in this fantasy world where good intentions always lead to positive outcomes. In reality, good intentions often cause problems for those who are ignorant of the system they live in or the system they support. This is why so many people are liberal. They don't understand economics, but they want to help the poor. This is precisely the emotional strings liberal politicians pull on to gain support. But hey, if what you said is true and liberals just want tyranny for no reason what-so-ever... Do you see where I'm getting at?

Exactly. Family and faith empowers the common citizen, and an empowered citizenry equals a neutered tyrannical wannabe government. That's why liberals are vehemently trying to destroy the foundation of family and faith, not to mention the right to bear arms.

It blows my mind how we don't see any atheist libertarians. Oh wait, you're talking to one.

I just want to be clear, if you're a conservative bashing liberalism for wanting large government, you have no room to talk. Conservatives are just like liberals in that they want to spend as much money as liberals but they don't want to increase taxes to compensate. We need to cut spending and taxes!

However, I don't think Moore falls into this category.
He's been caught too many times fabricating things for his films.
He seems happy to lie and alter the truth to forward his agenda.

Really? I wouldn't doubt this. Still, have any sources to back this claim up?

Obama wanted to give free communtiy college which would give people more of an opportunity to advance. Republicans said no !!!

Obama is a complete idiot. Community college is already free to low income students! In fact, by the time you pay for your classes and books, you have money left over to put into your bank account!

Also, encouraging EVERYONE to go to college does NOT help people advance. In fact, it makes it HARDER just to get a low wage job!

What do you think will happen when 90% of Americans have a college degree of some sort? Do you think everyone will have college level jobs? NO! We don't have enough college level jobs, so why do we keep encouraging students to go to college?!?!?!?!?!

Sending more people to college isn't helping more people reach higher paying jobs. Instead, it's taking jobs that anyone can do and making them require college!

Let's say you just graduated high school and you apply for a position selling insurance. This isn't a hard job, anyone with a GED or High school diploma can do it. Guess what, so many people applying to that job have college degrees, you now have to waste 2 years of your life going to community college! This is what will happen if everyone goes to college. In fact, we're ALREADY SEEING THIS HAPPEN. Most jobs out there can be learned on the job, but so many people have degrees that those without degrees are getting screwed over.

Lastly, why should I pay taxes for other people to go to college? If I need to find a new job, I'm going to lose out to the guy who went to community college ON THE MONEY I WORKED FOR. If an employer says, "sorry, we need someone with at least 2 years of college", I'm going to tell him, "When you hire someone with 2 years of college, just remember who payed for it. I DID."

So this whole "free college" nonsense needs to stop. It's ridiculously hard to find a ANY job in America. If you think college is the solution, you're out of touch with reality.

The number of people with college degrees should be only slightly higher than the number of college level jobs out there. If only 20% of jobs that exist require college, we should only see roughly 20% of people graduating with college degrees (give or take a small percentage). If 20% of jobs out there require college, we don't need 90% of the nation holding college degrees! That's a waste of everyone's time and money.

NO! NO! the term liberty means liberty from God

No, it doesn't.

Cadwell actually brings up a wonderful point. Many people today don't know what a classical liberal is. Classical liberals are NOT the same as the liberals we see today. Today, classical liberals go by the name libertarians.

like communist...the first thing they want rid of is the faith of those who believe.

Just because Stalin was an atheist who had a large disdain for religion doesn't mean atheism necessarily leads to communism. That's like saying Christianity necessarily leads to the crusades or the annihilation of Jews. Do you want me to talk about how Hitler got rid of the German Freethinkers League and called for strong Christian values? Christianity must therefore lead to Nazism!

Please, Mitspa, don't stereotype.

If you have a leader with strong religious or anti-religious convictions, they will often try to incorporate those ideas into their political and economical agendas. It doesn't matter if the are socialist, capitalists, or communists.
 
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QUOTE FROM Perecepi:

When did I say liberals weren't trying to socialize America? Their intentions are not to destroy America, or to put America into ruin. Their goal is to help America by making it more socialist. That's their intention. Are they right? Of course not! But their intentions are good, if only misguided.

END QUOTATION..........

By changing our Democratic Republic into a Socialist State IS DESTROYING AMERICA! I do not believe their intentions to be good, rather, they are self serving.............huge difference there. Nothing "good" can come from unbelievers................

(just saying........... :) )
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

I'm just going to use abortion as an example to illustrate my first point.

Pro-Choicers often claim their opposition is anti-women's rights. No, they aren't. They view the fetus as a human being with the same rights as any fully developed person.

Pro-Lifers often claim that their opposition don't care about murdering innocent life. But Pro-choicers don't see it as murder, they don't view fetuses as human or as functional enough to have human rights.

It doesn't matter which side you're on, both sides tend to misconstrue their opposition's intentions. And this is what I'm seeing here from a few of you on this forum.
 
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By changing our Democratic Republic into a Socialist State IS DESTROYING AMERICA! I do not believe their intentions to be good, rather, they are self serving.............huge difference there. Nothing "good" can come from unbelievers................

(just saying........... :) )

I was talking about intent. Liberals don't intend on ruining America. They intend on fixing America. But since they don't understand economics, they're actually ruining America.

So when people say, "Liberals just want to destroy America", that's not true. Most liberals do not want to destroy America, even though the things they propose are destructive. They're just ignorant of the destruction that stems from their ideology.

I'm not saying liberals aren't destroying America. I'm saying that's not their intention.

We need to recognize when people have good intent, especially when they support bad policies. If you can't recognize a person's intent and you assume something that's false, then you'll be less effective when it comes to providing solutions.
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

I'm just going to use abortion as an example to illustrate my first point.

Pro-Choicers often claim their opposition is anti-women's rights. No, they aren't. They view the fetus as a human being with the same rights as any fully developed person.

Pro-Lifers often claim that their opposition don't care about murdering innocent life. But Pro-choicers don't see it as murder, they don't view fetuses as human or as functional enough to have human rights.

It doesn't matter which side you're on, both sides tend to misconstrue their opposition's intentions. And this is what I'm seeing here from a few of you on this forum.

In all honesty, what I am seeing is a serious lack of Biblical understanding................sorry.............AND IT DOES MATTER which side one is on......................Jesus said he who is not for us, is against us...............to be against Jesus is to be anti-Christ....................and that is not good any way one spins it.

Either believers have the courage to profess Christ and Christian principles, or they fall prey to anti-Christ liberalism
 
Re: Michael Moore infers "snipers are cowards"; Medal of Honor recipient responds

I was talking about intent. Liberals don't intend on ruining America. They intend on fixing America. But since they don't understand economics, they're actually ruining America.

So when people say, "Liberals just want to destroy America", that's not true. Most liberals do not want to destroy America, even though the things they propose are destructive. They're just ignorant of the destruction that stems from their ideology.

I'm not saying liberals aren't destroying America. I'm saying that's not their intention.

You are welcome to your opinion, as for me, I know it is their intent.............they want to tear down (destroy) what is, and replace it with their utopian ideology of the perfect Socialist Society................

Never has worked, doesn't work now, never will work.............

Their intentions are not "good." Period..................but, alas we disagree,,,,,,so
 
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In all honesty, what I am seeing is a serious lack of Biblical understanding................sorry.............AND IT DOES MATTER which side one is on......................Jesus said he who is not for us, is against us...............to be against Jesus is to be anti-Christ....................and that is not good any way one spins it.

Either believers have the courage to profess Christ and Christian principles, or they fall prey to anti-Christ liberalism

You're taking what I said out of context!

When I said it doesn't matter which side you're on, I was referring to the fact that no matter which side you're on, you're in a position to misconstrue your opposition's views!

Here's what I said, "It doesn't matter which side you're on, both sides tend to misconstrue their opposition's intentions." The bolded and underlined part is the context you ignored.
 
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You are welcome to your opinion, as for me, I know it is their intent.............they want to tear down (destroy) what is, and replace it with their utopian ideology of the perfect Socialist Society................

Okay, but earlier someone said liberals just want to destroy America. This is different from changing America into what they feel is a more effective society. I even explained this in my post.

I'm not arguing that liberals aren't trying to socialize the government. I know they are. That's what liberalism has become. But if you just say "liberals want to destroy this country", then you're wrong. They want to fix the country by making it into a socialist one. Again, you keep missing the point of what I say.

Their intentions are not "good." Period..................but, alas we disagree,,,,,,so

I'm sorry, but do I need to explain what "good" intentions are?!

A good intention is anything you do in which you try to help better the lives of other people. Liberals sincerely want to help people. They have good intentions. Now, if you believe "good" intentions means any action that actually result in bettering the lives of other people, then you're right. But that's clearly not what I meant and you need to recognize that.

Liberals want to help society. That's just an undeniable fact you need to accept. You can't just live in this world where everyone you disagree with must be EVILLLLLLLLLLLLL.
 
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I was talking about intent. Liberals don't intend on ruining America. They intend on fixing America. But since they don't understand economics, they're actually ruining America.

So when people say, "Liberals just want to destroy America", that's not true. Most liberals do not want to destroy America, even though the things they propose are destructive. They're just ignorant of the destruction that stems from their ideology.

I'm not saying liberals aren't destroying America. I'm saying that's not their intention.

We need to recognize when people have good intent, especially when they support bad policies. If you can't recognize a person's intent and you assume something that's false, then you'll be less effective when it comes to providing solutions.

I think you may be right about some liberals...they have good intentions. I guess communist and even Islam "thinks" they are doing good in some way...but clearly they are a force of destruction in the world! When it gets down to it...good intentions are often just self-deception ...but many of us are not deceived and don't plan to just shut-up while these people try to save the world by destroying the few good things we have like family and faith.
 
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I think you may be right about some liberals...they have good intentions. I guess communist and even Islam "thinks" they are doing good in some way...but clearly they are a force of destruction in the world! When it gets down to it...good intentions are often just self-deception ...but many of us are not deceived and don't plan to just shut-up while these people try to save the world by destroying the few good things we have like family and faith.

Just because people have good intentions doesn't mean we shouldn't call them out.

I'm sure you occasionally get into political discussions with liberals. For now on, you should start asking them why they support liberal policies.

I keep hearing "family and faith" pop up in here. I'm almost afraid to ask for you to elaborate on this, but I guess I'll inquire. What do you mean by family and faith and what do you feel is the government's role concerning these things?