55 Year Old Man Impregnates His 11 Year Old Granddaughter

[Colorful]

I agree with you.

In The Womb | Begin Before Birthfetal-development

The fetus does not actually breathe in the womb. The mother breathes for the fetus, and essential oxygen is passed to the fetus through the umbilical cord. The fetus does make breathing-like movements though. These begin at 9 weeks of pregnancy and allow the fetus to practice this breathing movement.

 

[Sirk]

In The Womb | Begin Before Birthfetal-development

The fetus does not actually breathe in the womb. The mother breathes for the fetus, and essential oxygen is passed to the fetus through the umbilical cord. The fetus does make breathing-like movements though. These begin at 9 weeks of pregnancy and allow the fetus to practice this breathing movement.

within 8 days of fertilization, baby has a beating heart delivering oxygen. Sounds like breathing to me.

 

[notuptome]

im having a hard time wrapping my brain around this one.

Well what shall I say? I didn't think it was all that difficult but give it a chance. Things that seem impossible to man are possible with God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

1.) You were playing a semantics game... not me. I used the only viable form of breathing (and the context the bible uses it) where as you assumed the fetus taking in amniotic fluid in it's lungs is considered breathing (which it 100% does not do). Just do a simple google search: does the fetus breathe? It will essentially tell you everything I said but go more into detail. I guess it's easier to change the subject and go on the offense rather than to admit you may have been wrong...

2.) I won't speak on behalf of society, however I've used the word of God (bible passages) to explain why "breath" is a better indication of life, considering "life beginning at conception" is no where mentioned... breath and life used interchangeably over 16 times in the bible. Feel free to review any and all messages I've made if you want validation that I've used the bible (and not society) as my source of truth.

You do realize that they have been working on this for a while in the scientific field, and have found out that people can breath a liquid solution.

Can Humans Breathe Liquid?

 

[Sirk]

Well what shall I say? I didn't think it was all that difficult but give it a chance. Things that seem impossible to man are possible with God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I know. I understand that God uses our failures to bring himself glory and I understand that He allows suffering. It is just hard to fathom this particular circumstance ever being any good for anyone this side of heaven.

 

[notuptome]

God may or may not have a divine purpose for the unborn. I won't speculate on that (nor should I). That is besides the point. To agree that, "God deliberately wanted the 11 year old girl to conceive her grandfather's child" is kind of unfathomable.

If that is your point of view and minset, wouldn't you also say that "God deliberately wanted the Romans and Jews to beat, whip, torture, crucify, etc... the Savior Jesus Christ?"

I guess we can agree to disagree. I don't think God wanted His [imperfect] children to torture and crucify His only begotten son Jesus Christ... Having said that, I do believe God allowed man to do that to His son Jesus Christ for the chance that mankind might be saved (aka the atonement). Similarly, I don't think God WANTED the 11 year old girl to get pregnant, but allowed the grandfather to impregnate her. We know the cause-and-affect of sex, we know the blessings and curse of "free will"... God allows things to occur, but I wouldn't say he WANTS them to.

It was needful for Christ to be crucified and die for the sins of mankind. Prophecy foretold all this and Christ even spake of it to His disciples.

This conception issue be it for good or ill is unknown but God alone is able to work and to will that which pleases Him. I can only trust that God has purpose in all things. His ways are above my ways and His understanding is above my understanding. I can only trust God to be God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I know. I understand that God uses our failures to bring himself glory and I understand that He allows suffering. It is just hard to fathom this particular circumstance ever being any good for anyone this side of heaven.

That is why God is God and man is only man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Colorful]

within 8 days of fertilization, baby has a beating heart delivering oxygen. Sounds like breathing to me.

1.) "An unborn baby has a heartbeat as early as near the end of the first month of pregnancy, during week four or week five, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. This is just two to three weeks after conception." 8 days is not even within reason or question.
When Does an Unborn Baby Have a Heartbeat? | LIVESTRONG.COM

2.) Living human beings use their lungs to inhale oxygen, NOT the heart. Were you not aware of that?

3.) Oxygen is not produced in the heart either. The oxygen comes from the mother and is given to the fetus via the umbilical cord.

4.) Your response is the funniest I've read so far. lol

 

[Sirk]

That is why God is God and man is only man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Precisely the reason I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it I suppose.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Oxygen saturation (medicine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Oxygen in the blood................

 

[Sirk]

1.) "An unborn baby has a heartbeat as early as near the end of the first month of pregnancy, during week four or week five, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. This is just two to three weeks after conception." 8 days is not even within reason or question.
When Does an Unborn Baby Have a Heartbeat? | LIVESTRONG.COM

2.) Living human beings use their lungs to inhale oxygen, NOT the heart. Were you not aware of that?

3.) Oxygen is not produced in the heart either. The oxygen comes from the mother and is given to the fetus via the umbilical cord.

4.) Your response is the funniest I've read so far. lol

wow. You're a genius in saying that the heart doesn't produce oxygen. I had no idea that it was a "pump" to deliver nutrients....including oxygen to the cells. Does mommies heart circulate babies blood for him too? I think you fell out of a shopping cart when you were little. Lol. I really did. Haha. Anyway....I think your science is old. There has been much discovered about when life begins and science is proving that it does so nearly immediately after conception.

 

[Colorful]

You do realize that they have been working on this for a while in the scientific field, and have found out that people can breath a liquid solution.

Can Humans Breathe Liquid?

Yikes. How on earth are you going to post a link about humans breathing liquid as your defense to "babies breathe in the womb via amniotic fluid"? Please just stop... admit that fetuses don't receive oxygen by inhaling amniotic fluid in their lungs. I don't know if you're trolling or being serious right now...

 

[Colorful]

wow. You're a genius in saying that the heart doesn't produce oxygen. I had no idea that it was a "pump" to deliver nutrients....including oxygen to the cells. Does mommies heart circulate babies blood for him too? I think you fell out of a shopping cart when you were little. Lol. I really did. Haha. Anyway....I think your science is old. There has been much discovered about when life begins and science is proving that it does so nearly immediately after conception.

within 8 days of fertilization, baby has a beating heart delivering oxygen. Sounds like breathing to me.

We were talking about breathing... you made a false claim saying babies have heartbeats after "8 days of fertilization" followed by "this sounds like breathing" to you. Do you blame me for reminding you that the not only were you INCREDIBLY wrong about when the heartbeat begins, but that the heart is independent of BREATHING?!? I'm not sure why you're raging on me right now...

Btw, do you still hold your claim that after 8 days of fertilization a baby has a heartbeat? If my science is old, please offer any credible source that says a baby gets a heartbeat after 8 days of fertilization (I'm glad you no longer think the heart has any relevance to the fetus breathing... phew)

 

[blue_ladybug]

how did this thread get from a child-raping OP to whether fetuses breathe or not??????

 

[notuptome]

Precisely the reason I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it I suppose.

Proverbs 3 admonishes us to lean not to our own understanding but to acknowledge God in all our ways.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Billyd]

I'm not going to argue that abortion is wrong. I believe that it takes place at conception, and conception takes place when a fertilized egg has attached to the mother and begins to grow.

I can't believe that we have parents today who have not taught their sons and daughters about predators and the dangers that they pose to their lives. Our children would have come to us as soon as they got home, and believe me, they knew that we would believe them, and we would be at the emergency room immediately after they told us. Grandpa would be in jail shortly afterwards. Today, a daughter would have a morning after pill before she left the emergency room.

I know that there are those who would say, but that is an abortion. If conception hasn't taken place, pregnancy hasn't taken place, you can't abort it, but you can ensure that it doesn't.

Brothers and Sisters, we live in a corrupt and dangerous world that is full of these criminals. Check the predator list for your area. There is probably more than one within a mile of your home. You need to prepare your children the real possibility that this could happen before it happens.

 

[Colorful]

how did this thread get from a child-raping OP to whether fetuses breathe or not??????

I think someone thought that because a fetus inhales amniotic fluid, it could be argued that it is "breathing". That was in response to my initial statement that the "breath" and "life" have been used interchangeably numerous times in the bible as the moment when life occurred. *scratches head*

 

[notuptome]

how did this thread get from a child-raping OP to whether fetuses breathe or not??????

CGI?

Morphed?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sirk]

We were talking about breathing... you made a false claim saying babies have heartbeats after "8 days of fertilization" followed by "this sounds like breathing" to you. Do you blame me for reminding you that the not only were you INCREDIBLY wrong about when the heartbeat begins, but that the heart is independent of BREATHING?!? I'm not sure why you're raging on me right now...

Btw, do you still hold your claim that after 8 days of fertilization a baby has a heartbeat? If my science is old, please offer any credible source that says a baby gets a heartbeat after 8 days of fertilization (I'm glad you no longer think the heart has any relevance to the fetus breathing... phew)

Baby has a primitive circulatory system. Conception actually occurs 2 weeks after mommies period ends. When conception occurs it is infused with 23 chromosomes from each parent including HUMAN dna. I'd say that alone makes it.....I don't know.....human. It certainly isn't a hamster. Other than that your science isn't science at all but your personal ideology.

 

[Colorful]

Today, a daughter would have a morning after pill before she left the emergency room.

I know that there are those who would say, but that is an abortion. If conception hasn't taken place, pregnancy hasn't taken place, you can't abort it, but you can ensure that it doesn't.

The argument with that is that you don't know if fertilization has occurred or not (in reference to taking plan B).

"The Sperm's Long Journey. A man may ejaculate 40 million to150 million sperm, which start swimming upstream toward the fallopian tubes on their mission to fertilize an egg. Fast-swimming sperm can reach the egg in a half an hour, while others may take days. The sperm can live up to 48-72 hours."

Conception Pictures Slideshow: From Egg to Embryo

Assuming you think a fetus is a living human being, then flushing out the fertilized egg is an abortion (murder).