Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?
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The Pope's comments were wrong. The Pope stated a false and compromising doctrine. We know that there are several churches in the end times who are teaching false doctrines. John writes letters to the spirits or messengers to 7 churches.
But, do the Pope's comments fulfill this prophesy?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
No, because this "mouth" is the leader of the lion, bear, leopard nations of Iran, Iraq and Syria. The Pope does not currently lead these nations. I don't recall the Pope making a blasphemous statement about God's name, His tabernacle or those in heaven. Not yet, anyway. Did the Pope's remarks about atheists blaspheme God? I'm sure God wasn't happy with those comments but I'm not sure if it was a direct attack on God. Even if it was, the rest did not happen yet.
Actually, the first Beast is the one who makes blasphemies, the mouth of the first beast, the Beast from the Sea. The second Beast, the Beast from the EARTH deceives and causes those to worship the first Beast.
But, do the Pope's comments fulfill this prophesy?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
No, because this "mouth" is the leader of the lion, bear, leopard nations of Iran, Iraq and Syria. The Pope does not currently lead these nations. I don't recall the Pope making a blasphemous statement about God's name, His tabernacle or those in heaven. Not yet, anyway. Did the Pope's remarks about atheists blaspheme God? I'm sure God wasn't happy with those comments but I'm not sure if it was a direct attack on God. Even if it was, the rest did not happen yet.
Actually, the first Beast is the one who makes blasphemies, the mouth of the first beast, the Beast from the Sea. The second Beast, the Beast from the EARTH deceives and causes those to worship the first Beast.
Do these passages describe the same person/entity/events?
Dan 11:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forcesshall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. [SUP]37 [/SUP]He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Rev 13:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
2 Thes 2:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Mat 24:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Dan 11:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forcesshall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. [SUP]37 [/SUP]He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Rev 13:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
2 Thes 2:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Mat 24:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Let's settle this debate. Let's look at the merchants who mourn for Babylon. If we can identify who they are and where they are from, we can solve this mystery, right? I've shortened the below to focus on key words from Rev 18, which describes the mourning of the Kings who traded with Babylon.
Rev 18:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: [SUP]12 [/SUP]merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance [SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’
Here are the key words.
gold
silver
precious stones
ivory
fine linen and purple
bronze, iron
cinnamon and incense and frankincense
wine and oil
cattle and sheep
horses
bodies and souls of men
They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing
The merchants of these things, who became rich by her
all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
at a distance for fear of her torment
Do we have any companion passages in other places in the Bible with the same key words? You betcha. I will shorten the below from Ezek 27 to focus on the same key words.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Tarshish was your merchant because of your many luxury goods. They gave you silver, iron, tin, and lead for your goods. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders. They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze for your merchandise. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Those from the house of Togarmah traded for your wares with horses, steeds, and mules. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The men of Dedan were your traders; many isles were the market of your hand. They brought you ivory tusks and ebony as payment. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Syria was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made. They gave you for your wares emeralds, purple, embroidery, fine linen, corals, and rubies. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Judah and the land of Israel were your traders. They traded for your merchandise wheat of Minnith, millet, honey, oil, and balm. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Damascus was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made, because of your many luxury items, with the wine of Helbon and with white wool. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Dan and Javan paid for your wares, traversing back and forth. Wrought iron, cassia, and cane were among your merchandise. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Dedan was your merchant in saddlecloths for riding. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your regular merchants. They traded with you in lambs, rams, and goats. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The merchants of Sheba and Raamah were your merchants. They traded for your wares the choicest spices, all kinds of precious stones, and gold. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Haran, Canneh, Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Assyria, and Chilmad were your merchants. [SUP]24 [/SUP]These were your merchants in choice items—in purple clothes, in embroidered garments, in chests of multicolored apparel, in sturdy woven cords, which were in your marketplace.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“The ships of Tarshish were carriers of your merchandise.
You were filled and very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Your oarsmen brought you into many waters,
But the east wind broke you in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Your riches, wares, and merchandise,
Your mariners and pilots,
Your caulkers and merchandisers,
All your men of war who are in you,
And the entire company which is in your midst,
Will fall into the midst of the seas on the day of your ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The common-land will shake at the sound of the cry of your pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“All who handle the oar,
The mariners,
All the pilots of the sea
Will come down from their ships and stand on the shore.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]They will make their voice heard because of you;
They will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads;
They will roll about in ashes;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]They will shave themselves completely bald because of you,
Gird themselves with sackcloth,
And weep for you
With bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]In their wailing for you
They will take up a lamentation,
And lament for you:
‘What city is like Tyre,
Destroyed in the midst of the sea?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]‘When your wares went out by sea,
You satisfied many people;
You enriched the kings of the earth
With your many luxury goods and your merchandise.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But you are broken by the seas in the depths of the waters;
Your merchandise and the entire company will fall in your midst.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]All the inhabitants of the isles will be astonished at you;
Their kings will be greatly afraid,
And their countenance will be troubled.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The merchants among the peoples will hiss at you;
You will become a horror, and be no more forever.’”’”
Here are the key words:
gold
silver
ivory tusks
precious stones, emeralds and rubies
purple, embroidery, fine linen
iron, vessels of bronze
choicest spices
oil, the wine of Helbon
wheat of Minnith
lambs, rams, and goats
horses, steeds
They bartered human lives
will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads
You enriched the kings of the earth
Their kings will be greatly afraid
Not only are the similarities stricking, there are many locations given in Ezek 27 that tells us where this takes place. Above in red are the places and below the modern locations for names which might to be familiar to everyone.
Tarshish - Sourthen Turkey near Syria
Javan, Tubal, and Meshech - Turkey
Togarmah - Turkey
Syria
Judah and the land of Israel
Dedan - Saudi Arabia Southeast coast of Persian Gulf
Minnith - Jordan, east of the River Jordan and the Dead Sea
Damascus
Helbon - Syria, just north of Demascus
Dan - Israel
Javan - Greece
Arabia
Kedar - Northwestern Saudi ArabiaSheba and Raamah - Southwestern Saudi Arabia
Haran, Canneh, Eden - Iraq and Northern Saudi Arabia
Chilmad
Everything, and I mean everything about Babylon screams of the Muslim world and MECCA as it's spiritual capital.
Rev 18:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: [SUP]12 [/SUP]merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance [SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’
Here are the key words.
gold
silver
precious stones
ivory
fine linen and purple
bronze, iron
cinnamon and incense and frankincense
wine and oil
cattle and sheep
horses
bodies and souls of men
They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing
The merchants of these things, who became rich by her
all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
at a distance for fear of her torment
Do we have any companion passages in other places in the Bible with the same key words? You betcha. I will shorten the below from Ezek 27 to focus on the same key words.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Tarshish was your merchant because of your many luxury goods. They gave you silver, iron, tin, and lead for your goods. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders. They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze for your merchandise. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Those from the house of Togarmah traded for your wares with horses, steeds, and mules. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The men of Dedan were your traders; many isles were the market of your hand. They brought you ivory tusks and ebony as payment. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Syria was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made. They gave you for your wares emeralds, purple, embroidery, fine linen, corals, and rubies. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Judah and the land of Israel were your traders. They traded for your merchandise wheat of Minnith, millet, honey, oil, and balm. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Damascus was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made, because of your many luxury items, with the wine of Helbon and with white wool. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Dan and Javan paid for your wares, traversing back and forth. Wrought iron, cassia, and cane were among your merchandise. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Dedan was your merchant in saddlecloths for riding. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your regular merchants. They traded with you in lambs, rams, and goats. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The merchants of Sheba and Raamah were your merchants. They traded for your wares the choicest spices, all kinds of precious stones, and gold. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Haran, Canneh, Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Assyria, and Chilmad were your merchants. [SUP]24 [/SUP]These were your merchants in choice items—in purple clothes, in embroidered garments, in chests of multicolored apparel, in sturdy woven cords, which were in your marketplace.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“The ships of Tarshish were carriers of your merchandise.
You were filled and very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Your oarsmen brought you into many waters,
But the east wind broke you in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Your riches, wares, and merchandise,
Your mariners and pilots,
Your caulkers and merchandisers,
All your men of war who are in you,
And the entire company which is in your midst,
Will fall into the midst of the seas on the day of your ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The common-land will shake at the sound of the cry of your pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“All who handle the oar,
The mariners,
All the pilots of the sea
Will come down from their ships and stand on the shore.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]They will make their voice heard because of you;
They will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads;
They will roll about in ashes;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]They will shave themselves completely bald because of you,
Gird themselves with sackcloth,
And weep for you
With bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]In their wailing for you
They will take up a lamentation,
And lament for you:
‘What city is like Tyre,
Destroyed in the midst of the sea?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]‘When your wares went out by sea,
You satisfied many people;
You enriched the kings of the earth
With your many luxury goods and your merchandise.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But you are broken by the seas in the depths of the waters;
Your merchandise and the entire company will fall in your midst.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]All the inhabitants of the isles will be astonished at you;
Their kings will be greatly afraid,
And their countenance will be troubled.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The merchants among the peoples will hiss at you;
You will become a horror, and be no more forever.’”’”
Here are the key words:
gold
silver
ivory tusks
precious stones, emeralds and rubies
purple, embroidery, fine linen
iron, vessels of bronze
choicest spices
oil, the wine of Helbon
wheat of Minnith
lambs, rams, and goats
horses, steeds
They bartered human lives
will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads
You enriched the kings of the earth
Their kings will be greatly afraid
Not only are the similarities stricking, there are many locations given in Ezek 27 that tells us where this takes place. Above in red are the places and below the modern locations for names which might to be familiar to everyone.
Tarshish - Sourthen Turkey near Syria
Javan, Tubal, and Meshech - Turkey
Togarmah - Turkey
Syria
Judah and the land of Israel
Dedan - Saudi Arabia Southeast coast of Persian Gulf
Minnith - Jordan, east of the River Jordan and the Dead Sea
Damascus
Helbon - Syria, just north of Demascus
Dan - Israel
Javan - Greece
Arabia
Kedar - Northwestern Saudi ArabiaSheba and Raamah - Southwestern Saudi Arabia
Haran, Canneh, Eden - Iraq and Northern Saudi Arabia
Chilmad
Everything, and I mean everything about Babylon screams of the Muslim world and MECCA as it's spiritual capital.
My Friend,
1. You right on blasphemy, So If you believe the second beast is not speak a blasphemy than Pope is nor rule out Yet.
the second beast is deceiver just like Pope. Atheist not go to heaven but He said yes. And he is the leader of big religion.
2. On Antichrist must leader of Iran, I doubt. Antichrist have great authority of all nation, he will must be the leader of all nation.
read this article:
(NaturalNews) During a recent speech he made before the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace in Rome on December 3, Pope Benedict XVI, the current leader of the Roman Catholic Church, called for what can only be described as a unified world government, which he dubbed a "new evangelization of society" that aligns with the spirit of visions brought forth by previous popes.
While addressing the council, Pope Benedict XVI made numerous references to this "new evangelization" as an integral part of the Roman Catholic Church's world mission. And when defining what this phrase actually means, Pope Benedict XVI spoke about how individualism must be transformed into a type of communalism marked by interconnectedness and "family formation" on a global scale.
Learn more: Pope calls for world government, 'New World Order' - NaturalNews.com
1. You right on blasphemy, So If you believe the second beast is not speak a blasphemy than Pope is nor rule out Yet.
the second beast is deceiver just like Pope. Atheist not go to heaven but He said yes. And he is the leader of big religion.
2. On Antichrist must leader of Iran, I doubt. Antichrist have great authority of all nation, he will must be the leader of all nation.
read this article:
(NaturalNews) During a recent speech he made before the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace in Rome on December 3, Pope Benedict XVI, the current leader of the Roman Catholic Church, called for what can only be described as a unified world government, which he dubbed a "new evangelization of society" that aligns with the spirit of visions brought forth by previous popes.
While addressing the council, Pope Benedict XVI made numerous references to this "new evangelization" as an integral part of the Roman Catholic Church's world mission. And when defining what this phrase actually means, Pope Benedict XVI spoke about how individualism must be transformed into a type of communalism marked by interconnectedness and "family formation" on a global scale.
Learn more: Pope calls for world government, 'New World Order' - NaturalNews.com
Let's settle this debate. Let's look at the merchants who mourn for Babylon. If we can identify who they are and where they are from, we can solve this mystery, right? I've shortened the below to focus on key words from Rev 18, which describes the mourning of the Kings who traded with Babylon.
Rev 18:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: [SUP]12 [/SUP]merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance [SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’
Here are the key words.
gold
silver
precious stones
ivory
fine linen and purple
bronze, iron
cinnamon and incense and frankincense
wine and oil
cattle and sheep
horses
bodies and souls of men
They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing
The merchants of these things, who became rich by her
all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
at a distance for fear of her torment
Do we have any companion passages in other places in the Bible with the same key words? You betcha. I will shorten the below from Ezek 27 to focus on the same key words.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Tarshish was your merchant because of your many luxury goods. They gave you silver, iron, tin, and lead for your goods. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders. They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze for your merchandise. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Those from the house of Togarmah traded for your wares with horses, steeds, and mules. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The men of Dedan were your traders; many isles were the market of your hand. They brought you ivory tusks and ebony as payment. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Syria was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made. They gave you for your wares emeralds, purple, embroidery, fine linen, corals, and rubies. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Judah and the land of Israel were your traders. They traded for your merchandise wheat of Minnith, millet, honey, oil, and balm. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Damascus was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made, because of your many luxury items, with the wine of Helbon and with white wool. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Dan and Javan paid for your wares, traversing back and forth. Wrought iron, cassia, and cane were among your merchandise. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Dedan was your merchant in saddlecloths for riding. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your regular merchants. They traded with you in lambs, rams, and goats. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The merchants of Sheba and Raamah were your merchants. They traded for your wares the choicest spices, all kinds of precious stones, and gold. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Haran, Canneh, Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Assyria, and Chilmad were your merchants. [SUP]24 [/SUP]These were your merchants in choice items—in purple clothes, in embroidered garments, in chests of multicolored apparel, in sturdy woven cords, which were in your marketplace.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“The ships of Tarshish were carriers of your merchandise.
You were filled and very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Your oarsmen brought you into many waters,
But the east wind broke you in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Your riches, wares, and merchandise,
Your mariners and pilots,
Your caulkers and merchandisers,
All your men of war who are in you,
And the entire company which is in your midst,
Will fall into the midst of the seas on the day of your ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The common-land will shake at the sound of the cry of your pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“All who handle the oar,
The mariners,
All the pilots of the sea
Will come down from their ships and stand on the shore.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]They will make their voice heard because of you;
They will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads;
They will roll about in ashes;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]They will shave themselves completely bald because of you,
Gird themselves with sackcloth,
And weep for you
With bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]In their wailing for you
They will take up a lamentation,
And lament for you:
‘What city is like Tyre,
Destroyed in the midst of the sea?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]‘When your wares went out by sea,
You satisfied many people;
You enriched the kings of the earth
With your many luxury goods and your merchandise.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But you are broken by the seas in the depths of the waters;
Your merchandise and the entire company will fall in your midst.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]All the inhabitants of the isles will be astonished at you;
Their kings will be greatly afraid,
And their countenance will be troubled.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The merchants among the peoples will hiss at you;
You will become a horror, and be no more forever.’”’”
Here are the key words:
gold
silver
ivory tusks
precious stones, emeralds and rubies
purple, embroidery, fine linen
iron, vessels of bronze
choicest spices
oil, the wine of Helbon
wheat of Minnith
lambs, rams, and goats
horses, steeds
They bartered human lives
will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads
You enriched the kings of the earth
Their kings will be greatly afraid
Not only are the similarities stricking, there are many locations given in Ezek 27 that tells us where this takes place. Above in red are the places and below the modern locations for names which might to be familiar to everyone.
Tarshish- Sourthen Turkey near Syria
Javan, Tubal, and Meshech - Turkey
Togarmah - Turkey
Syria
Judah and the land of Israel
Dedan - Saudi Arabia Southeast coast of Persian Gulf
Minnith - Jordan, east of the River Jordan and the Dead Sea
Damascus
Helbon - Syria, just north of Demascus
Dan - Israel
Javan - Greece
Arabia
Kedar- Northwestern Saudi ArabiaSheba and Raamah - Southwestern Saudi Arabia
Haran, Canneh, Eden - Iraq and Northern Saudi Arabia
Chilmad
Everything, and I mean everything about Babylon screams of the Muslim world and MECCA as it's spiritual capital.
Rev 18:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: [SUP]12 [/SUP]merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance [SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’
Here are the key words.
gold
silver
precious stones
ivory
fine linen and purple
bronze, iron
cinnamon and incense and frankincense
wine and oil
cattle and sheep
horses
bodies and souls of men
They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing
The merchants of these things, who became rich by her
all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
at a distance for fear of her torment
Do we have any companion passages in other places in the Bible with the same key words? You betcha. I will shorten the below from Ezek 27 to focus on the same key words.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Tarshish was your merchant because of your many luxury goods. They gave you silver, iron, tin, and lead for your goods. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders. They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze for your merchandise. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Those from the house of Togarmah traded for your wares with horses, steeds, and mules. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The men of Dedan were your traders; many isles were the market of your hand. They brought you ivory tusks and ebony as payment. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Syria was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made. They gave you for your wares emeralds, purple, embroidery, fine linen, corals, and rubies. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Judah and the land of Israel were your traders. They traded for your merchandise wheat of Minnith, millet, honey, oil, and balm. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Damascus was your merchant because of the abundance of goods you made, because of your many luxury items, with the wine of Helbon and with white wool. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Dan and Javan paid for your wares, traversing back and forth. Wrought iron, cassia, and cane were among your merchandise. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Dedan was your merchant in saddlecloths for riding. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your regular merchants. They traded with you in lambs, rams, and goats. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The merchants of Sheba and Raamah were your merchants. They traded for your wares the choicest spices, all kinds of precious stones, and gold. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Haran, Canneh, Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Assyria, and Chilmad were your merchants. [SUP]24 [/SUP]These were your merchants in choice items—in purple clothes, in embroidered garments, in chests of multicolored apparel, in sturdy woven cords, which were in your marketplace.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“The ships of Tarshish were carriers of your merchandise.
You were filled and very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Your oarsmen brought you into many waters,
But the east wind broke you in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Your riches, wares, and merchandise,
Your mariners and pilots,
Your caulkers and merchandisers,
All your men of war who are in you,
And the entire company which is in your midst,
Will fall into the midst of the seas on the day of your ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The common-land will shake at the sound of the cry of your pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“All who handle the oar,
The mariners,
All the pilots of the sea
Will come down from their ships and stand on the shore.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]They will make their voice heard because of you;
They will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads;
They will roll about in ashes;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]They will shave themselves completely bald because of you,
Gird themselves with sackcloth,
And weep for you
With bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]In their wailing for you
They will take up a lamentation,
And lament for you:
‘What city is like Tyre,
Destroyed in the midst of the sea?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]‘When your wares went out by sea,
You satisfied many people;
You enriched the kings of the earth
With your many luxury goods and your merchandise.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But you are broken by the seas in the depths of the waters;
Your merchandise and the entire company will fall in your midst.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]All the inhabitants of the isles will be astonished at you;
Their kings will be greatly afraid,
And their countenance will be troubled.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The merchants among the peoples will hiss at you;
You will become a horror, and be no more forever.’”’”
Here are the key words:
gold
silver
ivory tusks
precious stones, emeralds and rubies
purple, embroidery, fine linen
iron, vessels of bronze
choicest spices
oil, the wine of Helbon
wheat of Minnith
lambs, rams, and goats
horses, steeds
They bartered human lives
will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads
You enriched the kings of the earth
Their kings will be greatly afraid
Not only are the similarities stricking, there are many locations given in Ezek 27 that tells us where this takes place. Above in red are the places and below the modern locations for names which might to be familiar to everyone.
Tarshish- Sourthen Turkey near Syria
Javan, Tubal, and Meshech - Turkey
Togarmah - Turkey
Syria
Judah and the land of Israel
Dedan - Saudi Arabia Southeast coast of Persian Gulf
Minnith - Jordan, east of the River Jordan and the Dead Sea
Damascus
Helbon - Syria, just north of Demascus
Dan - Israel
Javan - Greece
Arabia
Kedar- Northwestern Saudi ArabiaSheba and Raamah - Southwestern Saudi Arabia
Haran, Canneh, Eden - Iraq and Northern Saudi Arabia
Chilmad
Everything, and I mean everything about Babylon screams of the Muslim world and MECCA as it's spiritual capital.
It just figurative of luxury where in the ancient time there is no car, or modern weapon etc.
The Saudis buy everything on the list. Chariot is figurative for cars and they buy the most expensive cars. The idea of an automobile would not make sense to John so that word he substituted chariot for. The rest are fine the way they are.
Look at the context of Ezek 27-28. Ezek 28 describes the death of Satan and end of His Tribulation period. Therefore Ezek 27 which comes right before is talking about the demise of Babylon, Satan's false religion which is located at MECCA.
Look at the context of Ezek 27-28. Ezek 28 describes the death of Satan and end of His Tribulation period. Therefore Ezek 27 which comes right before is talking about the demise of Babylon, Satan's false religion which is located at MECCA.
Let me make simple schematic here.
To be accept in to driver in this company, one must have a drive licence, age between 18 to 50, and able to lift 50 pound.
If one have drive licence, 20 years old, but not able to lift 50 pound, he is not the candidate.
Antichrist have so many characteristic which I don't know all. But one I know is that He come from within/church/pretend to be christian leader, but not one of us.
I don't think Muslim leader fit this characteristic.
He will reign from the holy place. And brother Plainword said Turkey is the thrown of Satan, not a Holy place.
I believe if the bible said holy place, it talking about Jerusalem .
This is from Israel today.
During the meeting, the Catholic delegation reportedly pressed Israel to follow through on a years-old proposal to give the Church control over the compound that houses the traditional "Hall of the Last Supper."
The problem is that the same compound also houses the traditional "Tomb of David," a holy site revered and frequented by religious Jews. Not to mention that Mount Zion is symbolic of Jerusalem as a whole, and surrendering it to the Vatican would be seen by many Israelis as a repudiation of Judaism's claim to the city.
[h=3]Report: Vatican Presses for Control of Mount Zion - Israel ...[/h]www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24447/Default.aspx
To be accept in to driver in this company, one must have a drive licence, age between 18 to 50, and able to lift 50 pound.
If one have drive licence, 20 years old, but not able to lift 50 pound, he is not the candidate.
Antichrist have so many characteristic which I don't know all. But one I know is that He come from within/church/pretend to be christian leader, but not one of us.
I don't think Muslim leader fit this characteristic.
He will reign from the holy place. And brother Plainword said Turkey is the thrown of Satan, not a Holy place.
I believe if the bible said holy place, it talking about Jerusalem .
This is from Israel today.
During the meeting, the Catholic delegation reportedly pressed Israel to follow through on a years-old proposal to give the Church control over the compound that houses the traditional "Hall of the Last Supper."
The problem is that the same compound also houses the traditional "Tomb of David," a holy site revered and frequented by religious Jews. Not to mention that Mount Zion is symbolic of Jerusalem as a whole, and surrendering it to the Vatican would be seen by many Israelis as a repudiation of Judaism's claim to the city.
[h=3]Report: Vatican Presses for Control of Mount Zion - Israel ...[/h]www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24447/Default.aspx
Seems like everyone is in 1 of 4 different camps about the identity of Babylon. Most recognize the WOMAN as a HARLOT being a False Religion. So the options appear to be:
1) Catholics - Rome
2) Judaism - Jerusalem
3) Islam - MECCA
4) Undefined - New York City
Of the above, which is best described with the descriptions we have for Babylon?
1) The Kings worship her (which religion has kings?)
2) Located in the Wilderness or desert
3) Worships an idol
4) Inclined to attack Israel
5) Inclined to kill Saints (Jews and Christians)
6) Fanatical worship
7) Bows down to an image
8) Called to prayer by music
9) Would throw dust on their heads if their religious city is destroyed
10) Which location and religion would God be most angry at?
1) Catholics - Rome
2) Judaism - Jerusalem
3) Islam - MECCA
4) Undefined - New York City
Of the above, which is best described with the descriptions we have for Babylon?
1) The Kings worship her (which religion has kings?)
2) Located in the Wilderness or desert
3) Worships an idol
4) Inclined to attack Israel
5) Inclined to kill Saints (Jews and Christians)
6) Fanatical worship
7) Bows down to an image
8) Called to prayer by music
9) Would throw dust on their heads if their religious city is destroyed
10) Which location and religion would God be most angry at?
Don't think so much about where the A/C comes from. Focus instead on the forces we are told he leads against Israel and Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I don't see the Pope or any Church leader doing this, not from the Christian faith. Which faith is likely to do this? Which faith overcomes and threatens Saints?
Are You talking about buyer of merchant? Saudi is not Turkey.
About buyer, Indonesia is not rich country, but it buy a lot of merchandise from other country as well, because not able to produce a lot of thing. I just read news paper recently, Some police work together with cartel to sale a woman as prostitute for foreign country.
Yes Islam is satanic religion, so does Catholic.
Look Jesuit oath:
Also one of the characteristic of the antichrist is come from within us but not one of us.
Look like christian but the doctrine is satanic and deceive many people.
This is from LumenGentium II/16
(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,
this verse alone meet 2 characteristic, Come from within but not one of us.
Look like Christian but the doctrine is deceived
About buyer, Indonesia is not rich country, but it buy a lot of merchandise from other country as well, because not able to produce a lot of thing. I just read news paper recently, Some police work together with cartel to sale a woman as prostitute for foreign country.
Yes Islam is satanic religion, so does Catholic.
Look Jesuit oath:
Also one of the characteristic of the antichrist is come from within us but not one of us.
Look like christian but the doctrine is satanic and deceive many people.
This is from LumenGentium II/16
(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,
this verse alone meet 2 characteristic, Come from within but not one of us.
Look like Christian but the doctrine is deceived
Brother Plainword, I forgot to ask you question.
How you define a rich country, By GDP or income per capita?
About GDP I believe United Sate is the biggest.
About GDP Per Capita, among 10 biggest nation only 2 of them is muslim country, One in Middle east, one in south east Asia.
How you define a rich country, By GDP or income per capita?
About GDP I believe United Sate is the biggest.
About GDP Per Capita, among 10 biggest nation only 2 of them is muslim country, One in Middle east, one in south east Asia.
- [h=3]The 10 Nations With The Highest GDPs Per Capita ...[/h]www.therichest.com/.../the-10-nations-with-the-highest-gdp-per-capita/
May 14, 2014 - These are the 10 countries with the highest GDP per capita in the world adjusted for PPP, as determined by the International Monetary ...
The scripture is clear that the harlot is earthly, physical Jerusalem. The "mystery" with her is how she can revive her earthly influence again and again. She also persecutes the faithful few of her own kind (christian/messianic jews) and needless to say, she works by way of proxy through her "judaism for gentiles" systems, such as freemasonry and marxism plus much of the modern market economy.
I'm sorry, this view is completely incorrect. I explained how ISLAM is the Mother of all False Religions. I detailed it clearly with scripture. Jerusalem and Judaism does not fit at all. There are no kings of the earth "fornicating" or worshiping Judaism. The merchants of the earth have not been getting rich trading with Israel.