DeMystifying the Trinity

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The NT states that Jesus is the Spirit. (2Co 3:17, 18).
How do you people keep making this same theological mistake....stating that The Holy Spirit is The Son?

2 Cor 3 quotes Exo 34....and there is absolutely NO mention that 'Jesus is the Spirit'.
 
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How do you people keep making this same theological mistake....stating that The Holy Spirit is The Son?

2 Cor 3 quotes Exo 34....and there is absolutely NO mention that 'Jesus is the Spirit'.
that explains who is your Lord....
 
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The text does NOT tell us that!

It informs the reader that the Holy Spirit manifested in the flesh of a dove....NOT of Jesus.


never said flesh of a dove .....if it was the flesh of a dove Jesus would be walking around with a dove on his shoulder...

never said flesh of a dove .....if it was the flesh of a dove Jesus would be walking around with a dove on his shoulder...
John 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


You keep trying to make The Holy Spirit into The Son.....


well Jesus was unmistakably flesh and blood born of a woman....and he said before Abraham was I AM....
and the Word of God came out from God and we know God is Spirit...and we know the Son is the Word...and the Word is Spirit...and the Word was made flesh...and we know the Lord is that Spirit..

2Co 3:17

but scripture clearly, and irrefutably, states that each is NOT the other.

Wake.

Up.
no my friend that is your claim...not scripture...

 

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Elin said:
The NT states that Jesus is the Spirit (2Co 3:17, 18).
How do you people keep making this same theological mistake....stating that The Holy Spirit is The Son?

2 Cor 3 quotes Exo 34....and there is absolutely NO mention that 'Jesus is the Spirit'.
My Bible states:

"Now the Lord (kurios, Jesus Christ; not theos, God) is the Spirit. . .which comes from
the Lord who is the Spirit."
 
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My Bible states:

"Now the Lord (kurios, Jesus Christ; not theos, God) is the Spirit. . .which comes from
the Lord who is the Spirit."
well that puts a damper on one version of the trinity...
 
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If the trinity didn't exist their could be no salvation for human kind. Each person of the one essence plays an essential part. Those who deny the idea may be saved but they aren't understanding what is going on in the process of salvation.
 
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If the trinity didn't exist their could be no salvation for human kind. Each person of the one essence plays an essential part. Those who deny the idea may be saved but they aren't understanding what is going on in the process of salvation.
it is normal to support your view with scripture......else your view is pointless and cannot be addressed seriously
 

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Elin said:
My Bible states:

"Now the Lord (kurios, Jesus Christ; not theos, God) is the Spirit. . .which comes from
the Lord who is the Spirit."
well that puts a damper on one version of the trinity...
I'm not familiar with the versions of the Trinity.

Which version are you speaking of?
 
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I'm not familiar with the versions of the Trinity.

Which version are you speaking of?
it is bowman version
bowman version is different from yours....you say all three are one and the same co equal....bowman says Father is not Son and son is not spirit and spirit is not Father but each are God but not each other...
someone threw an egg version at me the other day.....
 
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Go silent....


never said flesh of a dove .....if it was the flesh of a dove Jesus would be walking around with a dove on his shoulder...
The Greek quite clearly, and irrefutably, states that the Holy Spirit manifested in the corporeal body of a dove.

This shows complete and utter separation from The Son.

They are NOT each other, as your cultic worldview would like.

We can go over the scripture in detail if you want....but you won't....you can't....scripture exegesis is simply not worth your time....thus, we can toss yet another one of your lame and meritless assertions into the trash bin...




John 1:33
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And?

No mention of The Holy Spirit being The Son.

Especially when you completely ignore other scripture.






well Jesus was unmistakably flesh and blood born of a woman....and he said before Abraham was I AM....
and the Word of God came out from God and we know God is Spirit...and we know the Son is the Word...and the Word is Spirit...and the Word was made flesh...and we know the Lord is that Spirit..

2Co 3:17


Why are you still so afraid to look at the OT scripture to which this refers...?



no my friend that is your claim...not scripture...


You don't know any scripture to begin with....all you can do is slavishly repost your bakers dozen Trinitarian rendered English versions.

When asked to defend your assertions.....well, you go silent.

No difference this time.

Watch.
 
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My Bible states:

"Now the Lord (kurios, Jesus Christ; not theos, God) is the Spirit. . .which comes from
the Lord who is the Spirit."

If you want to know the meaning, then you look to the Hebrew to which it refers.

Its so deceptively simple...
 
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it is bowman version
bowman version is different from yours....you say all three are one and the same co equal....bowman says Father is not Son and son is not spirit and spirit is not Father but each are God but not each other...
someone threw an egg version at me the other day.....
The Orthodox version is scriptural, and the one that I defend.

Your assertion that the Holy Spirit is The Son...is....well...held by only the most obtuse scriptural ignorants.

Further, taking your logic to its conclusion, makes The Father also The Son.

You ignored this before...because you have no reply.
 

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If you want to know the meaning, then you look to the Hebrew to which it refers.

Its so deceptively simple...
Nope. . .you look to the language in which it was written, the Greek.

And in the Greek, the Lord Jesus Christ is kurios, and God is theos.

The Lord (Jesus) who is the Spirit (2Co 3:17, 18).
Jesus is a divine person, and so is the Holy Spirit.

So undeceptively simple.
 
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Nope. . .you look to the language in which it was written, the Greek.

And in the Greek, the Lord Jesus Christ is kurios, and God is theos.
By your logic, then your English that your are writing should never include Greek....but, you are using Greek, and breaking your own assertion.

Likewise, when the NT quotes the Hebrew, you must look to the Hebrew.





The Lord (Jesus) who is the Spirit (2Co 3:17, 18).
Jesus is a divine person, and so is the Holy Spirit.

So undeceptively simple.

Even in the Greek, it in NO way states that Jesus is The Spirit.

Come on...
 

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Elin said:
Nope. . .you look to the language in which it was written, the Greek.

And in the Greek, the Lord Jesus Christ is kurios, and God is theos
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By your logic, then your English that your are writing should never include Greek...
Incredible!

That is an absurd leap in "logic" (and my cue to exit).

We are using English to discuss a Greek text, not a Hebrew text.
The meaning of the Greek text is to be taken from the Greek, not other languages.

The NT writers chose kurios hundreds of times to refer to Christ.
They chose theos to refer to God, not to Christ.



 

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Elin said:
The NT writers chose kurios hundreds of times to refer to Christ.
They chose theos to refer to God, not to Christ.
"Now the Lord (kurios) is the Spirit. . .the Lord (kurios) who is the Spirit." (2Co 3:17, 18)

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is a person and is God.
The Holy Spirit is a person and is God.
The Father is a person and is God.

Three persons in one God.
 
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We are using English to discuss a Greek text, not a Hebrew text.


And the Greek text in question references the Hebrew OT.

Don't be afraid to admit that you were wrong...



The meaning of the Greek text is to be taken from the Greek, not other languages.
The meaning of the Greek hinges upon the meaning of the Hebrew which it is quoting.




The NT writers chose kurios hundreds of times to refer to Christ.
They chose theos to refer to God, not to Christ.
Jesus IS God.
 
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Jacked...

"Now the Lord (kurios) is the Spirit. . .the Lord (kurios) who is the Spirit." (2Co 3:17, 18)
No mention of Jesus.




Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
No.


  • The Son is not the Spirit (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
  • The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)



Jesus is a person and is God.
Agreed.


The Holy Spirit is a person and is God.
Agreed.


The Father is a person and is God.
Agreed.


Three persons in one God.
Each is the One God...but NOT each other.

You are so close...but missed it entirely...
 

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Re: Jacked...

Elin said:
Jesus is a person and is God.
Agreed.
The Holy Spirit is a person and is God.
Agreed.
The Father is a person and is God.
Agreed.
Three persons in one God.
Each is the One God...but NOT each other.
Paul presents them as co-equal:
Father and Son co-equal--Ro 1:7; 1Co 1:3; 2Co 1:2; Gal 1:3; Eph 1:2; Php 1:2; 1Th 1:1, 3:11;
2Th 1:2, 8, 12, 2:16, 3:5;
Father and Spirit co-equal--Ro 8:9, 27;
Son and Spirit co-equal--Ro 8:9; Gal 4:6; 2Co 3:17, 18;

which is his meaning when he states "Now the Lord (
kurios, Christ) is the Spirit." (2Co 3:17)

The Son is not the Spirit
(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16)
The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
Paul's meaning when he states "Now the Lord (kurios, Christ) is the Spirit" in 2Co 3:17
is that they are co-equal.