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Based on my study of the scriptures, Jesus cannot be YHWH or the God of the Old Testament.
To understand who Jesus is we must first understand God's purpose in His creation to begin with. Simply put God planned within Him to recreate Himself. In Genesis we have the spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters. In Genesis 1:3-25 states that God simply says "Let there be". From the word which was spoken by God everything came to be. The 26th verse says "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..". But in the following verse he states "So God created man in his own image...". Whether the "us" in Genesis, is refering to Jesus can be debated another time but for now the one that spoke it, created man in "HIS" image after "HIS" likeness. In Exodus 3:15, it states "Thus shalt thow say unto the children of Israel, The YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name FOREVER, and this is my memorial unto ALL GENERATIONS". Isaiah the 11th chapter talks about a rod out of the stem of Jesse. It states that the spirit of YHWH shall rest upon him which further defines this spirit as "the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of YHWH". 10" which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious". Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; but Isaiah 45:13 says about man: "I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward...". Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it". The same God that spoke these words also stated in Isaiah 45:18 that He formed the earth and made it and that He is YHWH and there is NONE ELSE! In John 1 we are told that in the beginning was the word. Later we are told that the word became flesh. In John 1:18 is says that "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he hath DECLARED him". It didn" say that the Son saw God but that He DECLARED HIM! The same word that was spoken of in Genesis when YHWH said "let there be" became flesh. Remember, the words HE spoke concerning man will NOT return to HIM void! 32 says "And John bare record, saying, i saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him". This is the same spirit talked about in Isaiah! Now we know that the God of the old testament, YHWH created all things but John further elaborates how everything was created by the use of the word which proceeded out of YHWH. Without such words as "let there be" or simply put, the Word, "was not anything made that was made". Jesus is NOT the creator! He is Not YHWH! More proof can be found in the last book of the bible. In Revelation chapter 4, John describes his vision of a throne set in heaven " and he that sat was to look upon like jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a RAINBOW round about the throne, in sight unto an emerald". In Genesis after the flood God or YHWH sets a bow in the cloud for a token of a covenant betweem him and the earth to forever remind him not to destroy the earth by flood again(9:11-17). So now that it's established that it is YHWH who is sitting on this throne in heaven we read in Rev 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to recieve glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. In Acts 3:13 we are told "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus..." In Hebrews 1:8 it says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou, hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows". We can learn alot from this verse. In the old testament God said He acted ALONE in creating the universe. So now we see the Son is called God. So when did Jesus become the Son of God? Romans 1:4 states that Jesus was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, BY THE RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD". When He had risen from the grave in Matthew 28:18 He says "All power is given unto me in heaven and earth". Therefore the Son IS GOD!... But what does that mean? Is he the ALMIGHTY? NO JESUS IS NOT! Paul clears this up in 1Corinthians 15:27:"For he(YHWH) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(YHWH) saith all things are put under him(jesus), it is manifest that HE(YHWH) IS EXCEPTED,which did put all things under him(jesus). Jesus says in John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ(the word which proceded from the true God), whom thou has sent". So now we see the Son as God and his God anointing him with oil of gladness above thy fellows. To be God is a position above everything without even having to say it. So to state that the Son is place in a position above thy fellows one can only come to the conclusion that these fellows mentioned WILL ALSO BE GOD(s)! Remember God's whole purpose is to recreate Himself! Not just clones of Himself but each spark of the God-kind unique to his or herself! For most, these statements might be far-fetched but please, all I ask is that you humble yourself and not harden your heart. Let the Bible speak for itself! In Revelation chapter 5 we read how no man was found worthy to take the scroll out of the hand of Him who sat on the throne. v5 tells us that the Lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed to open the book v6" And I beheld, and, lo, in the mdst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and SEVEN EYES, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. In Zechariah 4:7-10 we read" Who art thou, O great mountain: before ZERUBBABEL thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone therof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. 8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 9 The hands of zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of ZERUBBABEL with THOSE SEVEN; THEY ARE THE EYES OF THE LORD WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE EARTH. Zerubbabel will be God! Let's use common sense! When a horse has a baby that baby is still a HORSE. when a man has a son he is still MAN and a part of MANKIND! The same with God; We who are worthy will be a part of the God-kind or God(s)! There are many verses I can use to further elaborate on this topic but in a nut shell so to speak, this is what I honestly take on the subject. Again I too am searching for the truth as it relates to God and I won't leave my salvation upto man or man-made doctrines. So if you see error in what I've written please feel free to respond using scripture to show the error of my ways. As always, I will continue to pray that my heart will NOT be hardened towards truth and genuine understanding.
To understand who Jesus is we must first understand God's purpose in His creation to begin with. Simply put God planned within Him to recreate Himself. In Genesis we have the spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters. In Genesis 1:3-25 states that God simply says "Let there be". From the word which was spoken by God everything came to be. The 26th verse says "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..". But in the following verse he states "So God created man in his own image...". Whether the "us" in Genesis, is refering to Jesus can be debated another time but for now the one that spoke it, created man in "HIS" image after "HIS" likeness. In Exodus 3:15, it states "Thus shalt thow say unto the children of Israel, The YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name FOREVER, and this is my memorial unto ALL GENERATIONS". Isaiah the 11th chapter talks about a rod out of the stem of Jesse. It states that the spirit of YHWH shall rest upon him which further defines this spirit as "the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of YHWH". 10" which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious". Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; but Isaiah 45:13 says about man: "I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward...". Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it". The same God that spoke these words also stated in Isaiah 45:18 that He formed the earth and made it and that He is YHWH and there is NONE ELSE! In John 1 we are told that in the beginning was the word. Later we are told that the word became flesh. In John 1:18 is says that "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he hath DECLARED him". It didn" say that the Son saw God but that He DECLARED HIM! The same word that was spoken of in Genesis when YHWH said "let there be" became flesh. Remember, the words HE spoke concerning man will NOT return to HIM void! 32 says "And John bare record, saying, i saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him". This is the same spirit talked about in Isaiah! Now we know that the God of the old testament, YHWH created all things but John further elaborates how everything was created by the use of the word which proceeded out of YHWH. Without such words as "let there be" or simply put, the Word, "was not anything made that was made". Jesus is NOT the creator! He is Not YHWH! More proof can be found in the last book of the bible. In Revelation chapter 4, John describes his vision of a throne set in heaven " and he that sat was to look upon like jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a RAINBOW round about the throne, in sight unto an emerald". In Genesis after the flood God or YHWH sets a bow in the cloud for a token of a covenant betweem him and the earth to forever remind him not to destroy the earth by flood again(9:11-17). So now that it's established that it is YHWH who is sitting on this throne in heaven we read in Rev 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to recieve glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. In Acts 3:13 we are told "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus..." In Hebrews 1:8 it says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou, hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows". We can learn alot from this verse. In the old testament God said He acted ALONE in creating the universe. So now we see the Son is called God. So when did Jesus become the Son of God? Romans 1:4 states that Jesus was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, BY THE RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD". When He had risen from the grave in Matthew 28:18 He says "All power is given unto me in heaven and earth". Therefore the Son IS GOD!... But what does that mean? Is he the ALMIGHTY? NO JESUS IS NOT! Paul clears this up in 1Corinthians 15:27:"For he(YHWH) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(YHWH) saith all things are put under him(jesus), it is manifest that HE(YHWH) IS EXCEPTED,which did put all things under him(jesus). Jesus says in John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ(the word which proceded from the true God), whom thou has sent". So now we see the Son as God and his God anointing him with oil of gladness above thy fellows. To be God is a position above everything without even having to say it. So to state that the Son is place in a position above thy fellows one can only come to the conclusion that these fellows mentioned WILL ALSO BE GOD(s)! Remember God's whole purpose is to recreate Himself! Not just clones of Himself but each spark of the God-kind unique to his or herself! For most, these statements might be far-fetched but please, all I ask is that you humble yourself and not harden your heart. Let the Bible speak for itself! In Revelation chapter 5 we read how no man was found worthy to take the scroll out of the hand of Him who sat on the throne. v5 tells us that the Lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed to open the book v6" And I beheld, and, lo, in the mdst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and SEVEN EYES, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. In Zechariah 4:7-10 we read" Who art thou, O great mountain: before ZERUBBABEL thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone therof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. 8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 9 The hands of zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of ZERUBBABEL with THOSE SEVEN; THEY ARE THE EYES OF THE LORD WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE EARTH. Zerubbabel will be God! Let's use common sense! When a horse has a baby that baby is still a HORSE. when a man has a son he is still MAN and a part of MANKIND! The same with God; We who are worthy will be a part of the God-kind or God(s)! There are many verses I can use to further elaborate on this topic but in a nut shell so to speak, this is what I honestly take on the subject. Again I too am searching for the truth as it relates to God and I won't leave my salvation upto man or man-made doctrines. So if you see error in what I've written please feel free to respond using scripture to show the error of my ways. As always, I will continue to pray that my heart will NOT be hardened towards truth and genuine understanding.
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20 When that day comes, Adonai will shave - with a razor hired beyond the [Euphrates] River, that is, with the king of Ashur - the head and the hair between the legs, and get rid of the beard as well. (Isa.7)
This is a powerful verse because in the Hebrew the word or Name, replaced by Adonai is: Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey.
In other words, 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being. (John 1)
14 The Word became a human being and lived with us, and we saw his Sh'khinah, the Sh'khinah of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth. (John 1)
Just One of many.
This is a powerful verse because in the Hebrew the word or Name, replaced by Adonai is: Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey.
In other words, 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being. (John 1)
14 The Word became a human being and lived with us, and we saw his Sh'khinah, the Sh'khinah of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth. (John 1)
Just One of many.
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Truthseeker1976, just need your interpretation on 3 verses.
Isaiah 44:6
6 “ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Revelation 1
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Did the Father ever die? No, this is the Divine Messiah speaking.
Isaiah 44:6
6 “ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Revelation 1
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Did the Father ever die? No, this is the Divine Messiah speaking.
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You wanna know where Jesus claimed to be God?
Do a search on Pharisee. Any time they were upset, He was claiming to be God and they knew it.
Also, they believe Michael the Archangel became Jesus.
Example of where God in the OT becomes Jesus in the NT
Psalm 68:18 (21st Century King James Version)
18Thou hast ascended on high, Thou hast led captivity captive; Thou hast received gifts for men, yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Ephesians 4:8 (21st Century King James Version)
8Therefore He saith, "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
Do a search on Pharisee. Any time they were upset, He was claiming to be God and they knew it.
Also, they believe Michael the Archangel became Jesus.
Example of where God in the OT becomes Jesus in the NT
Psalm 68:18 (21st Century King James Version)
18Thou hast ascended on high, Thou hast led captivity captive; Thou hast received gifts for men, yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Ephesians 4:8 (21st Century King James Version)
8Therefore He saith, "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
In Is.44:24 we read "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer and he formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by MYSELF;" He is "the first and the last." The same God in Is.44 is talked about in Ps.90:2:"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING, thou art God. In Rev.4:1-11, John decribes the throne he saw in heaven. We know this is the the same God as in the old testament because in verse 3, John states "...and there was a rainbow round about the throne,..." We learn about the rainbow from Genesis after the flood when the God of the old testament placed it there to forever remind him not to destroy the earth by flood again(Gn.9:8-17). We also know that this is the same God as in the old testament by Rev.4:10"The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that LIVETH FOR EVER AND EVER, and cast their crowns before the throne saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, AND FOR THY PLEASURE THEY ARE AND WERE CREATED." So now is the question; is this throne talked about here Jesus' throne? Rev.3:21 says "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE." So now when did this happen? Ps.110:1 says "The LORD said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." After the resurrection, Jesus ascended to heaven where he is now seated on the right hand of the Father so this makes the throne seen in heaven THE FATHER'S THRONE. NOT JESUS! Rev.5:1-9 describes the Lamb who was slain which in v7 "came and TOOK THE BOOK OUT OF THE RIGHT HAND OF HIM THAT SAT UPON THE THRONE." So if we are to sit with Jesus on HIS throne then where will his throne be? We read in Luke1:32" He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID." Those who overcome will be seated with Jesus on his throne on earth! How do I know? Rev5:10 "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH." Hopefully it is established that the God of the old testament is the same one that sits on the throne in heaven; the Father! But that still leaves a dillima. they both say "I am the first and the last", "the beginning and the end," The Alpha and Omega." (Is.41:4,44:6;48:12; Rev.1:8,17;2:8;22:13) and have a meaning of uniqueness. Each is the first and the last of his peculiar, unique kind. YHWH is unique in that He is the only being that was not created and Jesus is unique in that he is the only being ever to be directly begotten by YHWH(Jn1:14). Adam was created, all others were begotten by men. But remember YHWH is the one who is "from everlasting to everlasting"(Ps90:2), while jesus is "he that liveth, and was DEAD; and, behold, I am alive FOR EVERMORE"(Rev.1:18).
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Don't you think it's easier to just accept the truth?
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
What glory was He talking about? Isiah 42:8 says God doesn't share His glory?
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
What glory was He talking about? Isiah 42:8 says God doesn't share His glory?
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Now let's examine these verses. Isaiah 42:8 says he will not share his glory with another. Yet in John 17:5 we have the glory SHARED regardless of who is the God of the old testament. Either the Father is Sharing glory with the Son or the Son is sharing glory with the Father. At first glance there seems to be a contradiction. Let's start by taking a closer look at Is.42:8 with emphasis on to the whole meaning of the verse: "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise TO GRAVEN IMAGES." We find the same subject matter in Is.48:11. It says "For mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another." Reading the whole of chapter 48 will you find what is meant. v5 " I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I showed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, MINE IDOL HATH DONE THEM, AND MY GRAVEN IMAGE, AND MY MOLTEN IMAGE, HATH COMMANDED THEM." So now the question is if these verses mean that the Lord will not give his glory to idols, will he give it to who(which) is NOT an idol? Ezekiel 39:21 says "And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and upon my hand that I have laid upon them. Psa.72:19 "And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen." Is.60:1-2" ARISE, SHINE; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is RISEN UPON THEE. 2For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be SEEN UPON THEE." In the messianic age, all men will share in the glory of the Lord. Is.66:18-19 "For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and SEE my glory. 19...and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations,...that have not heard my fame, neither have SEEN my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles." This is confirmed in John 8:54: "Jesus answered, If I honour(glorify) myself, my honour(glory) is nothing: it is my FATHER that honoureth(glorifies) me; of whom ye say, that he is your God."
I am the LORD, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Now let's examine these verses. Isaiah 42:8 says he will not share his glory with another. Yet in John 17:5 we have the glory SHARED regardless of who is the God of the old testament. Either the Father is Sharing glory with the Son or the Son is sharing glory with the Father. At first glance there seems to be a contradiction. Let's start by taking a closer look at Is.42:8 with emphasis on to the whole meaning of the verse: "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise TO GRAVEN IMAGES." We find the same subject matter in Is.48:11. It says "For mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another." Reading the whole of chapter 48 will you find what is meant. v5 " I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I showed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, MINE IDOL HATH DONE THEM, AND MY GRAVEN IMAGE, AND MY MOLTEN IMAGE, HATH COMMANDED THEM." So now the question is if these verses mean that the Lord will not give his glory to idols, will he give it to who(which) is NOT an idol? Ezekiel 39:21 says "And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and upon my hand that I have laid upon them. Psa.72:19 "And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen." Is.60:1-2" ARISE, SHINE; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is RISEN UPON THEE. 2For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be SEEN UPON THEE." In the messianic age, all men will share in the glory of the Lord. Is.66:18-19 "For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and SEE my glory. 19...and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations,...that have not heard my fame, neither have SEEN my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles." This is confirmed in John 8:54: "Jesus answered, If I honour(glorify) myself, my honour(glory) is nothing: it is my FATHER that honoureth(glorifies) me; of whom ye say, that he is your God."
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Romans 9
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 9
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
__________________Isaiah 9.6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Again let's examine these verses closly to determine it's true meaning. Line must be upon line and precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. We see in Romans 9:5"...and of whom AS CONCERNING THE FLESH Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. In this verse is he calling Jesus God or is he simply praising God for Jesus' coming? In Romans 8:31-32 we read: "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He(God) that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he(God) not with him(Jesus) ALSO FREELY GIVE US(those who are counted worthy) ALL THINGS?" Now let's return to Genesis 1:26"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and LET THEM HAVE DOMINION OVER THE FOWL OF THE AIR, AND OVER THE CATTLE, AND OVER ALL THE EARTH, AND OVER EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH." Adam(mankind) had rulurship over the earth but was lost in the fall. Instead of man having dominion over the earth, sin, by transgression had dominion over man! Now unto Isaiah 9:6. Is this prophesy declaring Jesus Christ to be the Heavenly Father? Again, lets search deeper for what the scripture really means. In Genesis 17:5 we read: "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; FOR A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS have I made thee." There are at least 27 names in the Bible with the same Hebrew construction as in this verse. Each one means the "father of (something)." Another example is Abishua which means "father of plenty." Instead of translating the prase in Is.9:6 as "Father of Eternity," the KJV reversed the sequence making it harder to discern. Several newer versions correct this mistake such as The Emphasized Bible, The Bible in Basic English, The New American Bible, The Holy Bible; A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals, and The New English Bible, just to name a few. Jesus is the Father of Eternity because eternal life comes through him. And so it is written in Heb.5:9, "And being made perfect, he became the author (or father) of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
__________________Isaiah 9.6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Again let's examine these verses closly to determine it's true meaning. Line must be upon line and precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. We see in Romans 9:5"...and of whom AS CONCERNING THE FLESH Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. In this verse is he calling Jesus God or is he simply praising God for Jesus' coming? In Romans 8:31-32 we read: "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He(God) that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he(God) not with him(Jesus) ALSO FREELY GIVE US(those who are counted worthy) ALL THINGS?" Now let's return to Genesis 1:26"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and LET THEM HAVE DOMINION OVER THE FOWL OF THE AIR, AND OVER THE CATTLE, AND OVER ALL THE EARTH, AND OVER EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH." Adam(mankind) had rulurship over the earth but was lost in the fall. Instead of man having dominion over the earth, sin, by transgression had dominion over man! Now unto Isaiah 9:6. Is this prophesy declaring Jesus Christ to be the Heavenly Father? Again, lets search deeper for what the scripture really means. In Genesis 17:5 we read: "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; FOR A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS have I made thee." There are at least 27 names in the Bible with the same Hebrew construction as in this verse. Each one means the "father of (something)." Another example is Abishua which means "father of plenty." Instead of translating the prase in Is.9:6 as "Father of Eternity," the KJV reversed the sequence making it harder to discern. Several newer versions correct this mistake such as The Emphasized Bible, The Bible in Basic English, The New American Bible, The Holy Bible; A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals, and The New English Bible, just to name a few. Jesus is the Father of Eternity because eternal life comes through him. And so it is written in Heb.5:9, "And being made perfect, he became the author (or father) of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
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Might want to post your source next time. http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/yahweh_yahshua.html
I had a feeling you weren't really spending all your time writing long annoying essays. Stop going to man's commentary and go to God's word.
I had a feeling you weren't really spending all your time writing long annoying essays. Stop going to man's commentary and go to God's word.
G
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