"Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

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Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

Just because you are a 20 year combat vet does not mean nothing to me ...
Gee, not even a "Thanks for your service"?

... as I know plenty of combat vets who would disagree with you and say that we need to stay out of it.
Bring them on here and let's see them post that themselves. Translation: I don't believe you. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know any true combat veteran, particularly of Iraq and/or Afghanistan, who think we're taking the right approach by not doing squat. I know recent vets who do hold that view. They were supply sargeants and clerk-typists. They don't know squat, either.

Not put boots on the ground and not even arm these separatists or other countries to fight against them.
You don't even bother to read what is said to you before you initiate the standard-issue leftist knee-jerk reaction. I didn't say "We need to put boots on the ground" nor did I say, "We need to arm Syrian separatists" anywhere in that post. And newsflash, dude, the separatists are only in Syria because that's the country they're trying to separate from. If that kind of "knowledge" is what you have to offer this conversation, move on. It isn't contributing anything.

I twice stated we could do this by properly arming and supporting our Mideast allies and providing modern technologically based air support that would absolutely devastate ISIS -- with commitment from those allies to put their own combat troops to the fight! Instead, you have to go off on a rant that had nothing to do with what I said.

We already tried that in Iraq, and those idiots turned tell and ran leaving the weapons in the hands of ISIS.
Yes, they did. Right after the U.S. abandoned them and refused -- through Obama -- to commit to a status of forces agreement that would have left advisors there, and supplied weapons and ammunition. So now what do we have? The exact same situation we could have had three years ago with a status of forces agreement! Which would have stopped ISIS in its tracks before it ever got started! Interesting that your "knowledge" didn't bring that to your attention.

The other countries that live over there that have the military might have refused to put boots on the ground to, which is what the U.S. and the president has asked for.
Male bovine excretory material. Obama hasn't asked for other countries to commit combat troops. His Joint Chiefs have urged him to provide support, financial and hardware, to such an effort, but the very first and only time he committed to it was this week, when he promised Abdullah II a 40% increase in military aid. So sell that manure somewhere else. More liberal lies.

And I know we are not leading as many air strikes as the gulf war, but that is the difference that that was a war and we had troops on the ground.
Wrong. Clinton waged this kind of war in Kosovo. All he did was supply U.S. air power and intel. With the commitment of European troops and the local anti-serbian forces, both official and unofficial, we defeated Milošević and put an end to Serbian atrocities. They weren't nearly the scale of those of ISIS, but with Jordan now willing to go wholeheartedly after ISIS, our air power and intel, ISIS can be eradicated. But our president won't commit.

He's more interested in not pissing off Iran, even though the White House secretly admits there is a less than 50/50 chance for a nuke agreement, and Iran is propping up Assad in Syria. Obama is on the verge of making the biggest mistake of his life, and perhaps the biggest mistake in U.S. history by not committing to minimum levels of involvement that would assure the annihilation of ISIS.

In this situation we are just leading ...
Doing nothing is not "leading." It is cowering on the other side of the ocean hoping the situation will just go away. How long is he going to wait? Until ISIS beheads a couple dozen people in Times Square? You're as clueless as the idiot in the White House. You both need to just step out of the way and let the big boys take care of business.
 
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Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

I'd like to see an end to ISIS, too. But what I don't like the idea of is dropping yet more bombs on places where civilians live, because as we've already seen, the West killing lots of innocent Middle Eastern Muslims as collateral for ISIS members of Al Qaeda members or Taliba, gives rise to increased support for organizations that oppose the West.

At best, we'd be destroying one faction (and a lot of innocents) and simply waiting for the next one to pop up.

That's the big dilemma.
 
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Ladies and gentleman, the first international disagreement decided by a game of war!

Let's hope the King of Jordan has two jokers in his deck...

.............???.................
 
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This is a curse. World War 3 now takes a turn for the worse. The Islamic State and King of Jordan have agreed to shed blood on both sides.

Islamic Nations have been at war and shedding blood for a very, very long time.........just saying
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

I'd like to see an end to ISIS, too. But what I don't like the idea of is dropping yet more bombs on places where civilians live, because as we've already seen, the West killing lots of innocent Middle Eastern Muslims as collateral for ISIS members of Al Qaeda members or Taliba, gives rise to increased support for organizations that oppose the West.

At best, we'd be destroying one faction (and a lot of innocents) and simply waiting for the next one to pop up.

That's the big dilemma.

Why did we get envolved with them in the first place? Why do people go over there?
 
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Just because you are a 20 year combat vet does not mean nothing to me,
You owe him a debt of gratitude. It is because of men like him the you can exercise your freedom of speech. Jesus said to render honor unto whom honor is due.

I find it disgusting that you lack the common decency that you should have learned as a child. Shame on you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

Why did we get envolved with them in the first place? Why do people go over there?

That'd be my sentiment. Answers range from peacekeeping to oil, and I tend to side on the latter end of that spectrum.
 
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That'd be my sentiment. Answers range from peacekeeping to oil, and I tend to side on the latter end of that spectrum.
God is taking us by the nose and leading us there. God is setting the stage for what is to come. Spoiler alert it isn't going to be pretty.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

Islamic Nations have been at war and shedding blood for a very, very long time.........just saying

This is true, but that was another day and another time. Behold we are in the very middle of World War 3. Wherever this war has gone persecution of Christians and of the poorest of people follows.
 
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This is true, but that was another day and another time. Behold we are in the very middle of World War 3. Wherever this war has gone persecution of Christians and of the poorest of people follows.

My point is: This is not a New war............this war against Christianity started a very long time ago. This is just the latest version of a war that has been raging for centuries.......... Sadly........
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

You owe him a debt of gratitude. It is because of men like him the you can exercise your freedom of speech. Jesus said to render honor unto whom honor is due.

I find it disgusting that you lack the common decency that you should have learned as a child. Shame on you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger


I do acknowledge our veterans and what they do for us, but nice way to take what I said and try to use it out of context by not posting all that I said. As the point was that he made the statement he knows more then me just because he has been in the service for 20 years. I was stating those 20 years mean nothing because I know other vets who have been in just as long or longer that would disagree with what he said.
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

Gee, not even a "Thanks for your service"?

Bring them on here and let's see them post that themselves. Translation: I don't believe you. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know any true combat veteran, particularly of Iraq and/or Afghanistan, who think we're taking the right approach by not doing squat. I know recent vets who do hold that view. They were supply sargeants and clerk-typists. They don't know squat, either.

You don't even bother to read what is said to you before you initiate the standard-issue leftist knee-jerk reaction. I didn't say "We need to put boots on the ground" nor did I say, "We need to arm Syrian separatists" anywhere in that post. And newsflash, dude, the separatists are only in Syria because that's the country they're trying to separate from. If that kind of "knowledge" is what you have to offer this conversation, move on. It isn't contributing anything.

I twice stated we could do this by properly arming and supporting our Mideast allies and providing modern technologically based air support that would absolutely devastate ISIS -- with commitment from those allies to put their own combat troops to the fight! Instead, you have to go off on a rant that had nothing to do with what I said.

Yes, they did. Right after the U.S. abandoned them and refused -- through Obama -- to commit to a status of forces agreement that would have left advisors there, and supplied weapons and ammunition. So now what do we have? The exact same situation we could have had three years ago with a status of forces agreement! Which would have stopped ISIS in its tracks before it ever got started! Interesting that your "knowledge" didn't bring that to your attention.

Male bovine excretory material. Obama hasn't asked for other countries to commit combat troops. His Joint Chiefs have urged him to provide support, financial and hardware, to such an effort, but the very first and only time he committed to it was this week, when he promised Abdullah II a 40% increase in military aid. So sell that manure somewhere else. More liberal lies.

Wrong. Clinton waged this kind of war in Kosovo. All he did was supply U.S. air power and intel. With the commitment of European troops and the local anti-serbian forces, both official and unofficial, we defeated Milošević and put an end to Serbian atrocities. They weren't nearly the scale of those of ISIS, but with Jordan now willing to go wholeheartedly after ISIS, our air power and intel, ISIS can be eradicated. But our president won't commit.

He's more interested in not pissing off Iran, even though the White House secretly admits there is a less than 50/50 chance for a nuke agreement, and Iran is propping up Assad in Syria. Obama is on the verge of making the biggest mistake of his life, and perhaps the biggest mistake in U.S. history by not committing to minimum levels of involvement that would assure the annihilation of ISIS.

Doing nothing is not "leading." It is cowering on the other side of the ocean hoping the situation will just go away. How long is he going to wait? Until ISIS beheads a couple dozen people in Times Square? You're as clueless as the idiot in the White House. You both need to just step out of the way and let the big boys take care of business.


The point you tried to make with the 20 years was that you knew more then me because of that, and I was stating that just because you have been in the service that long does not make what you say so as I know plenty other vets who would disagree with you.
I do respect you and other vets for what you have done for our country. But when you take and try to use it to make yourself better, more knowledgeable, and smug then I do not respect that. Because others in your field disagree, have spoken up the past 6+ years, and even called for people like McCain to be tried for treason.

Obama has called for the other countries over there in the middle east to provide ground troops, which is why we have a small unit over there for training ops. He just has not issued any of our own troops. And there you go again saying he is doing nothing, but you know as well they are doing air strikes so they are doing something. It just is not to the caliber that you want, so to you it is nothing...............
 
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I do acknowledge our veterans and what they do for us, but nice way to take what I said and try to use it out of context by not posting all that I said.
As the veteran you addressed it to, it wasn't out of context. You told said, specifically to me ...

Now, if I wasn't supposed to take that as a total dismissal of my experience, my opinion, and my tactical knowledge, how was I supposed to take it? And by the way, I do know more than you! In this regard, at any rate. Along with many others, I wrote U.S. Army tactical manuals. When you've done that, maybe you'll have valid things to say about what we are or are not doing in Iraq and Syria. Until then, all you've got is the parroting of White House B/S.

I will say, you're very good at that, if anyone is looking for a parrot.

The point you tried to make with the 20 years was that you knew more then me because of that ...
And I do.

As for the "other vets" you speak of having a different opinion, bring them on here and let them say it. Otherwise, all we've got is your opinion about what they said, and I do not believe you. Plain and simple.

I do respect you and other vets for what you have done for our country.
You have an odd way of showing it.
 
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Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

Krauthammer recently pointed out that this could be a strategic move to bait Jordan into a war it cannot win without more extensive Western or even Turkish assistance.

I think he has something there.
 
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I do acknowledge our veterans and what they do for us, but nice way to take what I said and try to use it out of context by not posting all that I said. As the point was that he made the statement he knows more then me just because he has been in the service for 20 years. I was stating those 20 years mean nothing because I know other vets who have been in just as long or longer that would disagree with what he said.
You ought to know better but I probably expect too much. When it gets hot and you are so scared you want to puke I'd rather have him at my back than a thousand guys like you.

The fact is that he has earned the right to say what he has said.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

As the veteran you addressed it to, it wasn't out of context. You told said, specifically to me ...

Now, if I wasn't supposed to take that as a total dismissal of my experience, my opinion, and my tactical knowledge, how was I supposed to take it? And by the way, I do know more than you! In this regard, at any rate. Along with many others, I wrote U.S. Army tactical manuals. When you've done that, maybe you'll have valid things to say about what we are or are not doing in Iraq and Syria. Until then, all you've got is the parroting of White House B/S.

I will say, you're very good at that, if anyone is looking for a parrot.

And I do.

As for the "other vets" you speak of having a different opinion, bring them on here and let them say it. Otherwise, all we've got is your opinion about what they said, and I do not believe you. Plain and simple.

You have an odd way of showing it.

You ought to know better but I probably expect too much. When it gets hot and you are so scared you want to puke I'd rather have him at my back than a thousand guys like you.

The fact is that he has earned the right to say what he has said.

For the cause of Christ
Roger



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So, you personally know John McCain? To post the following line.....because I know other vets who have been in just as long or longer that would disagree with what he said.....is to imply that you know them personally.....to be quite frank...John McCain is a POLITICIAN and his VIEW would be tainted by his need for POLITICIAL CORRECTNESS and doesn't count.......

Key word missing in the above bolded post is (OF) following the word (KNOW).............
 
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So, you personally know John McCain? To post the following line.....because I know other vets who have been in just as long or longer that would disagree with what he said.....is to imply that you know them personally.....to be quite frank...John McCain is a POLITICIAN and his VIEW would be tainted by his need for POLITICIAL CORRECTNESS and doesn't count.......

Key word missing in the above bolded post is (OF) following the word (KNOW).............


You all who hate when others disagree with have a bad habit of twisting what people say, and if you do that to what others write we can make the guess like Peter said in 2 Peter 3:16 that you twist the scriptures as well. I do not wish to call others out, but one's speech by how they speak to others does show rather they are in the spirit or in the flesh. Twisting, name calling, and belittling speech is of the flesh.
Now to what I said is that I know other men in the service that disagrees with doing more, and putting troops on the ground again. I never once said I personally know McCain, so I don't even no where you got that. The video I posted is of a marine that has stood of for other service men asking for McCain and others like him in government to be tried for treason.
 
Re: "Till we run out of fuel and bullets" -- ISIS video stokes Jordan backlash

So, you personally know John McCain? To post the following line.....because I know other vets who have been in just as long or longer that would disagree with what he said.....is to imply that you know them personally.....to be quite frank...John McCain is a POLITICIAN and his VIEW would be tainted by his need for POLITICIAL CORRECTNESS and doesn't count.......

Key word missing in the above bolded post is (OF) following the word (KNOW).............
Beat me to it. thumbsup.gif

Kennethcaldwell:

No one "twisted" anything you said. We used your own words against you, challenged you to produce the "vets I know" and you failed, and I told you flat out "I don't believe you" regarding knowing such vets. You have yet to provide any support or evidence that would contradict what we've said, and commit the sin of exaggeration for the purpose of lying by trying to extend your own words of "knowing" such vets by posting a video of a Marine who accuses John McCain of the same thing you accuse us of. A marine, by the way, who now admits he didn't see combat. Perhaps you should check your sources before posting.

Now you accuse us, out of frustration no doubt, of being in the flesh rather than the spirit.

You are able to work up a great deal of self-righteous anger over being called out for what you have displayed, brother, but you express that anger as though you are totally innocent and it is those who confront you who are in the wrong.

Tell me, friend, what does that say about you? And if we were in the local church, what avenue would we now be forced to take with you?

Or what sin does one who refuses to admit his own poor spiritual attitude commit by turning and accusing others of having that same attitude which they have confronted him about?

You need to think about this, brother. You are the one being un-Christlike here. You need to deal with it.
 
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