Your mind is closed to understanding. I would remind you, the council of Jerusalem met to discuss one specific question. Which Jewish laws Gentile converts should be asked to follow
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Your mind is closed to understanding. I would remind you, the council of Jerusalem met to discuss one specific question. Which Jewish laws Gentile converts should be asked to follow
No your twisting what is written, if it only what is said in Acts 15 then stealing is ok, you cant have it both ways and accuse me because Im saying its more than Acts 15 and then you yourself say its more then Acts 15... and Acts 15 was about entering a place of worship...
and what about the "meat with blood in it" is that ok for the "NT" believer?
Your mind is closed to understanding the truth. I don't steal, my conscience tells me I must not steal as a Christian. Why do you think I believe stealing is wrong for the Christian?
I cant say why you believe anything it your mind? what kind of question is that.
a follower of Yah has His Law written on their heart, not some made up version of it, but His Law, if you heart tells you Sabbath is not on the 7th day, it not His Law written on your heart, it your own law.
so your conscious is the Law? so those "christians" that killed people in the name of Christ didnt have their conscience condemn them, was it not a sin for them?
lol, I dont even know why Im talking to you we are just talking over each other.... lol you ignore my questions.
Scriptureally speaking is sin the transgression of the Law?
and why do people seem to hate the Instructions of the one they claim to worship? (ohh well alter instructions are ok, but u know never how He actually said them)
lol
Is the Messiah telling the truth here:
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
students of mytery babylon say:
"the ALaw is done away"
"well its not done away its fulfilled"
"ohh well the Law didnt pass it was fulfilled"
"ohh well it hasnt been completely fulfilled, for judgement and some of the Feast days are not yet fulfilled"
"no but we are not under Law"
lol
its called the mystery of iniquity.
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
students of mytery babylon say:
"the ALaw is done away"
"well its not done away its fulfilled"
"ohh well the Law didnt pass it was fulfilled"
"ohh well it hasnt been completely fulfilled, for judgement and some of the Feast days are not yet fulfilled"
"no but we are not under Law"
lol
its called the mystery of iniquity.
none are pefect in the Law except Messiah, that dosent mean we jump in bed with everything against His word.
ok lets back up?
Was the Sabbath ever for non-Jews/non-Hebrews?
The Jews were given the old covenant. If you can show me one verse of scripture where it states under the new covenant Gentile converts are required to keep Saturday Sabbath I will believe you
I will state my case, but please answer this question and then I will give a full Scriptural breakdown?
Was the Sabbath ever for non-Jews/non-Hebrews?
Your answer is plain. Show me any scripture where it states under the new covenant Gentile converts must observe Saturday Sabbath. I live under the new covenant and I am a Gentile
Why wont you answer the question?
I will proceed as soon as you answer.
Was the Sabbath ever for non-Jews/non-Hebrews?
Why will you not answer my question. It is after all the relevant one. Show me the scripture I have asked for. I do not seek your theologising of what is not in the Bible. I live under the new covenant and I am a Gentile
because I am going to type/paste a decent amount and this is the first part of it. Simple question. If you are learned enough to tell me I am wrong I simply ask your view on this.
(if you wont answer this why would I type out a entire resonse, if you wont answer this you clearly dont care for anything I say or ask) not being rude, I believe we should speak openly after all if we hold back doctrine, how can we ever fully learn?
Was the Sabbath ever for non-Jews/non-Hebrews?
To be honest, I don't bother to read copy/paste, you are welcome to just give your opinions. It has been shown to you unequivocally Gentile converts and not required to obey or follow all of the Jewish laws. It is therefore for you to show me where iyt is written in scripture that I a Gentile must observe Saturday Sabbath under the new covenant. You know the bible does not demand that of me, so you have nowhere to go in truth
I am asking a simple Scriptural question as a starting point to the topic at hand, this question is part of the whole.
There is no need for a starting point for you to then try and theologise what is not demanded of me a Gentile under the new covenant. As you accept the law is written on our minds and placed on our hearts under the new covenant. As you also accept sin is transgression of the law, you MUST believe anyone who does not have heartfelt conviction they sin by not observing satyrday Sabbath cannot be a Christian. So why talk to someone you believe cannot be a true believer??
There is no need for a starting point? whaaat? Scriptural truth is the starting point.
the Messiah siting on the judgement seat is the judge peoples hearts are not the judge.
im done here, if you wont answer one question how can we even speak about the verses I would follow up with?
My verses-as you know have been specific to the point of discussion. I will repeat. As you accept the law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the Christian. As you believe sin is the transgression of the law. As you believe Gentile converts are required to observe Saturday Sabbath under the new covenant, you must believe the fourth commandment has been written on the mind and placed on the heart of every Christian, and requires them to observe Saturday sabbath. Therefore, you must believe any Christian that does not go to church on a Saturday, and does not have heartfelt conviction they are sinning by not doing so CANNOT be saved/a Christian. That is relevant. Not you starting point!!
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you use Scriptual principles but not correctly.
Is the Sabbath for going to church only?
people can worship any day and should worship YHWH everyday, this does not change that the Sabbath was set apart by the Creator of everything.
so you ask me a question and then tell me im wrong for starting where I see need to illustrate my point... I cant win if i do cant win if i dint with you huh? I guess I have to ask you what my answer should be and then reply word for word the answer you have ordained for me? or anything else is unacceptable...
I would reason/debate any and every matter with you if you wanted to, but all I asked is one question to move foreword with.