Dare To believe in Jesus the messiah

[damombomb]

Jesus was God in the flesh.(The Word).
Jesus never married
Jesus was and is the one prophesied in the OT
He is the only way to God, through his sacrifice of sins
He was without sin
Mohammad was a man, married, had children
Mohammad was a false prophet, he was not the chosen Messiah
Jesus said love your enemies, Mohammad said kill.
Mohommad requires repetitive words and works
Jesus said he that believes in me shall have everlasting life.

This worship is the same as nebuchadnezzar, worshiping a false God. Same as a rock that fell from the sky
Acts19:34-35
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

[SUP]35 [/SUP]And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshiper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

Do you see that this is a false God. This is baal worship.

[SIZE=+1]Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1](carved idol) or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, punishing the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me; but showing mercy to thousands of generations of those that love me, and keep my commandments.[/SIZE]

May your eyes be opened to the true living God!! The Lord Jesus Christ

 

[KIDEGA]

There is no friendship, no relationship, no championship, absolutely nothing that is so interesting like having relationship with God through his son Jesus Christ.

 

[KIDEGA]

There is no friendship, no relationship, no championship, no ownership, no man, no woman, not even riches, absolutely nothing that will satisfy any of your desire like having relationship with God through his son Jesus Christ.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've believed in Jesus all my life..

 

[Musa]

I don't want to say much, because I wouldn't bother to educate u basics. Think before talk is very important. I give you an idea of what to search upon. 1, what is Messiah?(you can use psalm105:15, zakariah 4:10~13) 2. The purpose of kabba, I do agree this is something churches manipulate on. So not gonna blame u, but do basic research pls. 3, read what the Western SCHOLARS say about prophet Muhammad (SAW) not what the passionate Christian missionary says.4. this is a challenge for you and it is me putting my head in front of u, u can chop it off if u can。 Find me a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said or even clearly hint "I am God" or "worship me" I AM READY TO ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY TODAY. And if not, I hope you can reconsider Islam, and inshallah you will be guided.

 

[damombomb]

I don't want to say much, because I wouldn't bother to educate u basics. Think before talk is very important. I give you an idea of what to search upon. 1, what is Messiah?(you can use psalm105:15, zakariah 4:10~13) 2. The purpose of kabba, I do agree this is something churches manipulate on. So not gonna blame u, but do basic research pls. 3, read what the Western SCHOLARS say about prophet Muhammad (SAW) not what the passionate Christian missionary says.4. this is a challenge for you and it is me putting my head in front of u, u can chop it off if u can。 Find me a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said or even clearly hint "I am God" or "worship me" I AM READY TO ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY TODAY. And if not, I hope you can reconsider Islam, and inshallah you will be guided.

• John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
  1. John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
• John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
• John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
  1. Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
• John 8:58--"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
  1. Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
• John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
• John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
• Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
• Heb. 1:8--"But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
  1. Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

[h=2]Jesus is worshipped--Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.[/h]

• Matt. 4:10--"Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
• Matt. 2:2--"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
• Matt. 2:11--"And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
• Matt. 14:33--"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
• Matt. 28:9--"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
• John 9:35-38--"Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
• Heb. 1:6--"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

[h=2]Jesus is prayed to[/h]

• Acts 7:55-60--"But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
• 1 Cor. 1:1-2--"Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer).
  1. 1 Kings 18:24--"Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
  2. Zech. 13:9--"And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’"
• Rom. 10:13-14--"for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32).
  1. Joel 2:32--"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus).

[h=2]First and Last[/h]

• Isaiah 44:6--"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me."
  1. Rev. 1:17-18--"Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."

 

[Jimbone]

I don't want to say much, because I wouldn't bother to educate u basics. Think before talk is very important. I give you an idea of what to search upon. 1, what is Messiah?(you can use psalm105:15, zakariah 4:10~13) 2. The purpose of kabba, I do agree this is something churches manipulate on. So not gonna blame u, but do basic research pls. 3, read what the Western SCHOLARS say about prophet Muhammad (SAW) not what the passionate Christian missionary says.4. this is a challenge for you and it is me putting my head in front of u, u can chop it off if u can。 Find me a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said or even clearly hint "I am God" or "worship me" I AM READY TO ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY TODAY. And if not, I hope you can reconsider Islam, and inshallah you will be guided.

There is at least one more I was studying last night that I never thought of before.

Luke 1:41-45

41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43"And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? 44"For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. 45"And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord."

See this scene took place right after the angel came to Mary, after she found out Elizabeth (her relative and John the Baptist mother) was pregnant as well. The fact is that when Mary walked in and greeted Elizabeth, John leap in the womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and already knew Mary was going to give birth to our LORD. See Jesus never even needed to say “I am God, worship me” (though He did that too on numerous occasions as listed above), because people already knew to worship Him before He was even conceived (or maybe shortly after, but was called her “Lord” before she could have possibly know Mary was even pregnant). This argument should hold no more water. I’m not sure how these accusations live so long when they are so clearly false with the minimum amount of research. Jesus never even HAD to say who He truly was, they knew before He was even born. I can assure you Musa, that Jesus Christ is exactly what you’re denying He is, and I hope you can reconsider Christianity, and give Truth a chance.

 

[damombomb]

Isaiah 9:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.



Because of the fall of man(sin) he came to earth to redeem by the world his blood for those who would believe.

John ch 8
…23And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." 25So they were saying to Him, "Who are You?" Jesus said to them, "What have I been saying to you from the beginning?…

Arabic translation:
“I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.”
John1:11
…10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,…

 

[Musa]

• John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
  1. John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
• John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
• John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
  1. Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
• John 8:58--"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
  1. Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
• John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
• John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
• Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
• Heb. 1:8--"But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
  1. Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

Jesus is worshipped--Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.

• Matt. 4:10--"Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
• Matt. 2:2--"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
• Matt. 2:11--"And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
• Matt. 14:33--"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
• Matt. 28:9--"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
• John 9:35-38--"Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
• Heb. 1:6--"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

Jesus is prayed to

• Acts 7:55-60--"But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
• 1 Cor. 1:1-2--"Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer).
  1. 1 Kings 18:24--"Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
  2. Zech. 13:9--"And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’"
• Rom. 10:13-14--"for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32).
  1. Joel 2:32--"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus).

First and Last

• Isaiah 44:6--"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me."
  1. Rev. 1:17-18--"Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."

I am not sure if you understand English. I said find a verse where JESUS said or hinted it. Yet you only had one, so I will respond to that one. Which is John 10:30-33. Which I am quite sure you copied it from internet, that's why you did not even read the next verse of that chapter.
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?-John 10:34

 

[Musa]

Ok, I do have to apologize, because you had two relavant quote. The other one is John 8:58. I do agree Jesus was there before Abraham born. Ref:"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)"

 

[Musa]

There is at least one more I was studying last night that I never thought of before.

Luke 1:41-45

41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43"And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? 44"For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. 45"And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord."

See this scene took place right after the angel came to Mary, after she found out Elizabeth (her relative and John the Baptist mother) was pregnant as well. The fact is that when Mary walked in and greeted Elizabeth, John leap in the womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and already knew Mary was going to give birth to our LORD. See Jesus never even needed to say “I am God, worship me” (though He did that too on numerous occasions as listed above), because people already knew to worship Him before He was even conceived (or maybe shortly after, but was called her “Lord” before she could have possibly know Mary was even pregnant). This argument should hold no more water. I’m not sure how these accusations live so long when they are so clearly false with the minimum amount of research. Jesus never even HAD to say who He truly was, they knew before He was even born. I can assure you Musa, that Jesus Christ is exactly what you’re denying He is, and I hope you can reconsider Christianity, and give Truth a chance.

In order for this to be true. I can not measure how much of an assumption you have to make. Because the chance of Elizabeth misunderstood just like the Jews did in John chapter 10 is so high. With a small chance of this verse being fabracated, in addtion to mistranslation. And you own misunderstanding(because Abraham, Moses .etc were also being called Lord. So please be a bit more reasonable with this. Simply because Jesus said :"Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't want to say much, because I wouldn't bother to educate u basics. Think before talk is very important. I give you an idea of what to search upon. 1, what is Messiah?(you can use psalm105:15, zakariah 4:10~13) 2. The purpose of kabba, I do agree this is something churches manipulate on. So not gonna blame u, but do basic research pls. 3, read what the Western SCHOLARS say about prophet Muhammad (SAW) not what the passionate Christian missionary says.4. this is a challenge for you and it is me putting my head in front of u, u can chop it off if u can。 Find me a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus said or even clearly hint "I am God" or "worship me" I AM READY TO ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY TODAY. And if not, I hope you can reconsider Islam, and inshallah you will be guided.

In Jesus' own words...

Mark 14:61,62,63-61But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."63Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses?…

Here Jesus claims to be the "Son of Man" from Daniel.The "I AM" from Exodus and the one Sitting at the right hand of power in Psalms.

Daniel 7:13-13"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14"And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the His dominion is peoples, nations and men oHisf every language Might serve Him. an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.


Exodus 3:13-15-13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord,[b] the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my name forever,
the name you shall call me
from generation to generation.

Psalms 110:1,2-The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." 2[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies."…[/FONT]


[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The first Christians were Jews.They knew what the Old Testament said concerning Messiah.When Jesus answered the high priest in Mark it says he "tore his clothes" and said they had no further need for witnesses.Why?! Because Jesus was claiming to be God.

Jesus said ....[/FONT]You say, ‘He is our God,’[i] 55 but you don’t even know him. I know him. If I said otherwise, I would be as great a liar as you! But I do know him and obey him. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.”
57 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?[j]”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am![k]”59 At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.

Why were they going to stone him? Because he called himself "I AM",God.

 

[Jimbone]

In order for this to be true. I can not measure how much of an assumption you have to make. Because the chance of Elizabeth misunderstood just like the Jews did in John chapter 10 is so high. With a small chance of this verse being fabracated, in addtion to mistranslation. And you own misunderstanding(because Abraham, Moses .etc were also being called Lord. So please be a bit more reasonable with this. Simply because Jesus said :"Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

But that's the thing Musa I do see and hear. The Lord has made Himself known to me and lifted the veil, and I don't say that boasting, He's done the same thing in every other Christian, the only thing is not everyone that claims "I'm Christian" is. I know this because I was one of them 5 years before He truly saved me, see my pride had to die first. In my experience you can't see or hear at all until He comes into you as the Holy Spirit, and that is the real starting line in LIFE. I wish there was a way to just make all this clear to you but that is something only He can do, and He will only do it if you seek Him. See you can NEVER convince a real Christian they are wrong because that would mean that they would have to take your word over the one true and living Gods Word, not because we fear the sword like in Islam. I see no LOVE coming out of Islam only hate, "and you will know them by their fruit".

I am very glad you're hear to talk about these things brother and will pray He pulls you into the one Truth of all truths.

 

[Musa]

But that's the thing Musa I do see and hear. The Lord has made Himself known to me and lifted the veil, and I don't say that boasting, He's done the same thing in every other Christian, the only thing is not everyone that claims "I'm Christian" is. I know this because I was one of them 5 years before He truly saved me, see my pride had to die first. In my experience you can't see or hear at all until He comes into you as the Holy Spirit, and that is the real starting line in LIFE. I wish there was a way to just make all this clear to you but that is something only He can do, and He will only do it if you seek Him. See you can NEVER convince a real Christian they are wrong because that would mean that they would have to take your word over the one true and living Gods Word, not because we fear the sword like in Islam. I see no LOVE coming out of Islam only hate, "and you will know them by their fruit".

I am very glad you're hear to talk about these things brother and will pray He pulls you into the one Truth of all truths.

I said to a lot of people I HATE illogical and arrogant people, and they are the only group I hate. Ok, but I will start according to what you said. 1. If you put your understanding of the Bible forward to other Christian around the world, with in 3 second at least a million Christian would come and criticise you and say exactly what you said, and they will condemn you to hell. I had this experience so many times when I was a Christian missionary of Church of England and talk to other churches. And as you call other people "labeled Christians" there are a lot of people will call you a "labelled Christian". 2. you talking about the "fruit", how many scientists did Roman Catholic "crucify" just because they said the earth is not flat? Hitler, Napoleon .etc are these warlords Muslims? 3. If you do any research, you will find Islam had grown fastest in the last 100years, tell me, which Islamic War took place at this time. 4. You see, love is not a word that come out from people's mouth You can say you love me day and night but you kill me with your "love". I wonder what your defination of love is give out only 1 pence to people and boasting about how much love you have(Christians) or give so much charity and help out people without anyone even know about it, because we did it solely for God the Almighty(Muslims)? 5. What do you mean by truth? A book with 101 contradiction and 50000 errors(which only very few are undeniable, the others can be rebuted, but there are undeniable ones e.g Genesis 1:16) with so many different versions(I am not talking about translations). Or a book that no contraction and in fact, no one can even produce anything close to it?
And I do like to talk. And assalam alaykum(may peace be upon you).

 

[Musa]

In Jesus' own words...

Mark 14:61,62,63-61But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."63Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses?…

Here Jesus claims to be the "Son of Man" from Daniel.The "I AM" from Exodus and the one Sitting at the right hand of power in Psalms.

Daniel 7:13-13"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.14"And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the His dominion is peoples, nations and men oHisf every language Might serve Him. an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.


Exodus 3:13-15-13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord,[b] the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my name forever,
the name you shall call me
from generation to generation.

Psalms 110:1,2-The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies."…


The first Christians were Jews.They knew what the Old Testament said concerning Messiah.When Jesus answered the high priest in Mark it says he "tore his clothes" and said they had no further need for witnesses.Why?! Because Jesus was claiming to be God.

Jesus said ....You say, ‘He is our God,’[i]55 but you don’t even know him. I know him. If I said otherwise, I would be as great a liar as you! But I do know him and obey him.56Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.”
57 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?[j]”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am![k]”59 At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.

Why were they going to stone him? Because he called himself "I AM",God.

Your first part is quite good, just like my teacher tell me a long story of Jesus being the Messiah. Which I have no problem at all. But how does that relate to my point? And the I AM argument was so old that even the best Christian scholars gave it up. So I can't be bother to waste my time to type up my point. Not even bother to copy and paste. You just have to check it yourself. I think I have to say one thing. If you ask me: "Are you yourself?" I said:"I am(whatever I am)" Does that mean I am God at all?

 

[Jimbone]

I said to a lot of people I HATE illogical and arrogant people, and they are the only group I hate. Ok, but I will start according to what you said. 1. If you put your understanding of the Bible forward to other Christian around the world, with in 3 second at least a million Christian would come and criticise you and say exactly what you said, and they will condemn you to hell. I had this experience so many times when I was a Christian missionary of Church of England and talk to other churches. And as you call other people "labeled Christians" there are a lot of people will call you a "labelled Christian". 2. you talking about the "fruit", how many scientists did Roman Catholic "crucify" just because they said the earth is not flat? Hitler, Napoleon .etc are these warlords Muslims? 3. If you do any research, you will find Islam had grown fastest in the last 100years, tell me, which Islamic War took place at this time. 4. You see, love is not a word that come out from people's mouth You can say you love me day and night but you kill me with your "love". I wonder what your defination of love is give out only 1 pence to people and boasting about how much love you have(Christians) or give so much charity and help out people without anyone even know about it, because we did it solely for God the Almighty(Muslims)? 5. What do you mean by truth? A book with 101 contradiction and 50000 errors(which only very few are undeniable, the others can be rebuted, but there are undeniable ones e.g Genesis 1:16) with so many different versions(I am not talking about translations). Or a book that no contraction and in fact, no one can even produce anything close to it?
And I do like to talk. And assalam alaykum(may peace be upon you).

Look you can make all the claims about the Bible you want, but why don't you present 1 example of a change or corruption and we can address specific claims, but I can say the same things about Islam and never present an example of what I'm claiming and that's worth what? By the way I don't claim Catholicism, and actually believe the whole organizational system to be totally Anti-Christ and against Gods word from top to bottom so please don't throw their crimes at my Saviors feet, that's not what He teaches. I would request 1 simple thing from you, at least read how I became a Christian to see how my Lord saved me. My testimony to Gods glory in my life. It's long but worth a read.
I don't think it's going to change your belief or anything crazy like that, but it does very much explain my views and beliefs about what it is. At the same time we can look at the origins of the kabbalah stone and the origin of the what you call "Allah" in Hindu Sanskrit. There are plenty of things about Islam we can address as well. Where do you want to start?

 

[Musa]

Look you can make all the claims about the Bible you want, but why don't you present 1 example of a change or corruption and we can address specific claims, but I can say the same things about Islam and never present an example of what I'm claiming and that's worth what? By the way I don't claim Catholicism, and actually believe the whole organizational system to be totally Anti-Christ and against Gods word from top to bottom so please don't throw their crimes at my Saviors feet, that's not what He teaches. I would request 1 simple thing from you, at least read how I became a Christian to see how my Lord saved me. My testimony to Gods glory in my life. It's long but worth a read.
I don't think it's going to change your belief or anything crazy like that, but it does very much explain my views and beliefs about what it is. At the same time we can look at the origins of the kabbalah stone and the origin of the what you call "Allah" in Hindu Sanskrit. There are plenty of things about Islam we can address as well. Where do you want to start?

I already gave one example in my speech, if you choose not to address it, do not ask for another one. And if you want to tell me what the church teaches you about the Kabba and "Allah". I knew it more than you, because I used to teach Christians that. But I am happy to hear you talk about it.
I did not show you anything, simply because I am not here to criticise Bible, I am just telling what other people says. And I only made one point about the Bible, all the others are about Christians.

 

[kaylagrl]

Your first part is quite good, just like my teacher tell me a long story of Jesus being the Messiah. Which I have no problem at all. But how does that relate to my point? And the I AM argument was so old that even the best Christian scholars gave it up. So I can't be bother to waste my time to type up my point. Not even bother to copy and paste. You just have to check it yourself. I think I have to say one thing. If you ask me: "Are you yourself?" I said:"I am(whatever I am)" Does that mean I am God at all?

The "I AM" argument stands.I dont care who gave it up. If I ask you "are you yourself" and you say "I AM" no that doesn't make you God. But if someone one asks God "hey,what should I call you?" And he says "I AM" tell the people "I AM" and when you are asked your name and you say "I AM" you are identifying yourself with God. So you are Lord or a lunatic.Tell me which was Jesus? Tell me why was Jesus crucified? Why were the Jewish leaders so angry with Him? He healed the sick,He promised eternal life to those who believed in Him and He forgave sins.All of which got Him killed.Why? Because he was claiming to do what only God could do.

I didn't read back far enough.What point were you making?I think I've made mine.

 

[Jeff_56]

point? no point. proselytizing for pagan heathen fatal deception. (from what it posted earlier, as far as i read)

it's not here to learn, apparently. (just a generalization of pagan heathen religions and their adherents over all. those who come to learn, let them learn and be blessed. those who come to deceive others, yahweh is completely aware of them and ready to deal with it when he says the time is right.)

 

[Jimbone]

I already gave one example in my speech, if you choose not to address it, do not ask for another one. And if you want to tell me what the church teaches you about the Kabba and "Allah". I knew it more than you, because I used to teach Christians that. But I am happy to hear you talk about it.
I did not show you anything, simply because I am not here to criticise Bible, I am just telling what other people says. And I only made one point about the Bible, all the others are about Christians.

You mean this "A book with 101 contradiction and 50000 errors", and I reply "name one" and I'll talk about it. Name the biggest "contradiction" or error you're talking about. Name 1 and we can address it logically, and did you take this opportunity to read what I offered and at least know your "enemy" a little better? And all your points about Christians are kind of void if you don't really know what makes one Christian, and being a Catholic Church member is NOT the criteria. What do you think makes a Christian a Christian? That should be easy for you to answer, what does the Bible say makes one a Christian, at least according to your point of view, what would I have to do to say "I'm Christian" in your mind?

I would also be very interested in what's taught in regards to the Kabba and "Allah". Thanks.