A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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It's important that we nail down the nomenclature of the "ministry" about
which you speak. If a pastorship, then its a given that Jesus Christ would
never call a female to do something that contradicts his own rules.
†. 2Tim 2:13 . . If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he cannot deny
himself.
So then, when females supposedly hear a "call" to pastorship, they're hearing
a call by a Jesus alright; but not the real Jesus; and trust the scriptures: him
they do not like because the real Jesus Christ is a very controlling male
determined to run their lives.
Now something else: women are typically emotional rather than objective.
In other words; what they interpret as a "call" is more likely just their
feelings.
What has been the impetus behind all women's movements from the very
beginning? It's rebellion against male domination isn't it? Yes, that's exactly
what it is; and that's exactly what it's always been. Even little girls just
starting out in life resent a boys' playhouse with a sign on it that says: No
Girls Allowed; so it's no surprise that as adults they would strive to ignore the
rules and invade the Christian pastorship.
It is not your place to counsel Christian men.
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which you speak. If a pastorship, then its a given that Jesus Christ would
never call a female to do something that contradicts his own rules.
†. 2Tim 2:13 . . If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he cannot deny
himself.
So then, when females supposedly hear a "call" to pastorship, they're hearing
a call by a Jesus alright; but not the real Jesus; and trust the scriptures: him
they do not like because the real Jesus Christ is a very controlling male
determined to run their lives.
Now something else: women are typically emotional rather than objective.
In other words; what they interpret as a "call" is more likely just their
feelings.
What has been the impetus behind all women's movements from the very
beginning? It's rebellion against male domination isn't it? Yes, that's exactly
what it is; and that's exactly what it's always been. Even little girls just
starting out in life resent a boys' playhouse with a sign on it that says: No
Girls Allowed; so it's no surprise that as adults they would strive to ignore the
rules and invade the Christian pastorship.
It is not your place to counsel Christian men.
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K
Dont tell me what my place is!! Ooops did I fall into your trap?! So now let me get this straight.All women who have felt the call to the ministry,that wasn't Jesus they heard. And they therefore dont like Jesus because he runs their lives and he's a controlling male.All women feeling called into the ministry don't like the male controlling Jesus.So who is putting the call on their hearts? The devil? What till I tell the female pastors in my family this gem!!!
Now on top of this brilliant reasoning you pile "women are just emotional" so they of course wouldn't know the call of God on their lives,thats just feelings. And we dont like "keep put signs" so we try to push our way into the ministry ...to serve a controlling Jesus that we dont like.That is great logic right there.I've never heard anything so absurd in all my life !! Totally ridiculous.
Its not my place to council Christian men? So now all female councilors have to quit huh? See I was suggesting digging deeper into the Scriptures and translation of the Word.That is not counseling.Counseling would be to tell you to shake your head and seek help from a mature Christian who knows what they are talking about instead of coming to your own nonsense conclusions.That right there would be me counseling you. But I wouldn't dare do so or you'd tell me I hate Jesus.
If a woman feels as though she is being called to preach, she should test the spirit that's calling her to see if it's of God. There are two Jesus' out there.
How do we test the spirit? We search the scripture to see if our "feelings" line up with scripture.
The bible is clear on this issue as well. Don't let the serpent fool you, the bible in no uncertain terms makes it clear that a woman shouldn't preach. If you find yourself having to change the bible to fit your beliefs, then I can guarantee you that the spirit that's leading you is not Christ.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
How do we test the spirit? We search the scripture to see if our "feelings" line up with scripture.
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
We believe every word of scripture. We don't change it to fit our "feelings". This is exactly how how Eve was deceived in the garden. The serpent came to her and said "did God really say....". Eve let the serpent convince her that God really didn't mean it when he said "you will surely die".The bible is clear on this issue as well. Don't let the serpent fool you, the bible in no uncertain terms makes it clear that a woman shouldn't preach. If you find yourself having to change the bible to fit your beliefs, then I can guarantee you that the spirit that's leading you is not Christ.
I bet those statements put a bee in some bonnets. Paul said women have to wear a hat, right?
Your statements above (and that of the one who liked it) remind me of how religious leaders used the Bible and nonsensical arguments to attempt to deny women the right to vote.
Here is a very "interesting" article written by Rev. H.M. Goodwin in 1884:
Women's Suffrage, by Rev. Prof. H. M. Goodwin
Is Rev. Goodwin in your genealogy tree somewhere?
Your statements above (and that of the one who liked it) remind me of how religious leaders used the Bible and nonsensical arguments to attempt to deny women the right to vote.
Here is a very "interesting" article written by Rev. H.M. Goodwin in 1884:
Women's Suffrage, by Rev. Prof. H. M. Goodwin
Is Rev. Goodwin in your genealogy tree somewhere?
I think you may be onto something here.
But perhaps you got it backwards.
The trick of the enemy could be to try to cut the number of those who can pastor and preach the Word of God in half.
Just because they were born female.
And what I'm really wondering about is whether Bruce Jenner, Olympic gold winner, can still preach and teach the Word of God to the Kardashians once he has the sex change operation.
But perhaps you got it backwards.
The trick of the enemy could be to try to cut the number of those who can pastor and preach the Word of God in half.
Just because they were born female.
And what I'm really wondering about is whether Bruce Jenner, Olympic gold winner, can still preach and teach the Word of God to the Kardashians once he has the sex change operation.
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I bet those statements put a bee in some bonnets. Paul said women have to wear a hat, right?
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No................
1 Corinthians 11:5 .) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 .) For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 .) For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 .) For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 .) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 .) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 .) Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 .) For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 .) Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 .) Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 .) But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering
I bet those statements put a bee in some bonnets. Paul said women have to wear a hat, right?
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No................
1 Corinthians 11:5 .) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 .) For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 .) For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 .) For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 .) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 .) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 .) Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 .) For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 .) Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 .) Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 .) But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering
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It would depend. Is that person a KJV ONLYIST like yourself?
The Sioux revered individuals with transgender issues rather than despised them. They called them winke or two-spirit. Maybe the Sioux were onto something. This is where Johnny Cash got the song "A Boy Named Sioux."
So let me ask you a question about your KJV and "the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty" in Judges 5:13 with respect to Deborah.
Does that verse lead you to the conclusion that God called (or appointed or ordained) Deborah to be a judge over Israel?
If not, what do you think those words in your KJV mean?
The Sioux revered individuals with transgender issues rather than despised them. They called them winke or two-spirit. Maybe the Sioux were onto something. This is where Johnny Cash got the song "A Boy Named Sioux."
So let me ask you a question about your KJV and "the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty" in Judges 5:13 with respect to Deborah.
Does that verse lead you to the conclusion that God called (or appointed or ordained) Deborah to be a judge over Israel?
If not, what do you think those words in your KJV mean?
I simply report.................you decide:
Excerpt:
"A Boy Named Sue" is a song written by Shel Silverstein that was made popular by Johnny Cash. Cash was at the height of his popularity when he recorded the song live at California's San Quentin State Prison at a concert on February 24, 1969. The concert was filmed by Granada Television for later television broadcast. The audio of the concert was later released on Cash's At San Quentin album. Cash also performed the song (with comical variations on the original performance) in December 1969 at Madison Square Garden. The song became Cash's biggest hit on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and his only top ten single there, spending three weeks at #2 in 1969, held out of the top spot by "Honky Tonk Women" by The Rolling Stones. The track also topped the Billboard Hot Country Songs and Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks charts that same year and was certified Gold on August 14, 1969 by the RIAA.
Found here:
[h=3]A Boy Named Sue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]
Additional excerpt:
[h=2]Inspiration[edit][/h]The core story of the song was inspired by humorist Jean Shepherd, a close friend of Shel Silverstein, who was often taunted as a child because of his feminine-sounding name.[SUP][4][/SUP]
The title might also have been inspired by the male attorney Sue K. Hicks of Madisonville, Tennessee, a friend of John Scopes who agreed to be a prosecutor in what was to become known as the "Scopes Monkey Trial". Sue was named after his mother who died after giving birth to him.[SUP][5][/SUP]
Excerpt:
"A Boy Named Sue" is a song written by Shel Silverstein that was made popular by Johnny Cash. Cash was at the height of his popularity when he recorded the song live at California's San Quentin State Prison at a concert on February 24, 1969. The concert was filmed by Granada Television for later television broadcast. The audio of the concert was later released on Cash's At San Quentin album. Cash also performed the song (with comical variations on the original performance) in December 1969 at Madison Square Garden. The song became Cash's biggest hit on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and his only top ten single there, spending three weeks at #2 in 1969, held out of the top spot by "Honky Tonk Women" by The Rolling Stones. The track also topped the Billboard Hot Country Songs and Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks charts that same year and was certified Gold on August 14, 1969 by the RIAA.
Found here:
[h=3]A Boy Named Sue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]
Additional excerpt:
[h=2]Inspiration[edit][/h]The core story of the song was inspired by humorist Jean Shepherd, a close friend of Shel Silverstein, who was often taunted as a child because of his feminine-sounding name.[SUP][4][/SUP]
The title might also have been inspired by the male attorney Sue K. Hicks of Madisonville, Tennessee, a friend of John Scopes who agreed to be a prosecutor in what was to become known as the "Scopes Monkey Trial". Sue was named after his mother who died after giving birth to him.[SUP][5][/SUP]