Can a Christian be sinless, perfect?
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I believe we are to strive to be like God, and not actually be perfect, as we are told, none of us are righteous.
God tells us those who desire righteousness, and seek His face, are saved. Not those who have lived a righteous life from birth.
I believe God is mostly concerned about where your heart lies. With Him, or with earthly things.
God tells us those who desire righteousness, and seek His face, are saved. Not those who have lived a righteous life from birth.
I believe God is mostly concerned about where your heart lies. With Him, or with earthly things.
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That is because the word perfect means complete.....there is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not....many thin they are above this...during the days of Jesus it was the Pharisees...today it is those who believe they can loose their salvation, salvtion which is kept and maintained by their righteous works......!
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Why should the goal of any Christian be anything less? The goal has been set before us, what we do with it is up to us. If we are going to look to or at ourselves we will most certainly never attain it. Consider the implications of a lesser goal set before those who would be the literal flesh and blood sons and daughters of God throughout the endless ages of eternity.
well, as yahshua said to be perfect, look in scripture to see who he says was perfect..... (a lot of people will still be upset, like the fat woman who the doctor told would have to give up chocolate ice cream and vanilla shakes; she didn't go back to him, did not do what he said to do, and got worse and worse blood sugar and other troubles, then diabetes, then died; all because she wasn't 'perfect' - she didn't do what the truthful doctor told her to do that would have saved her life).
look in scripture to see who yahshua says was perfect >> from genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy psalms isaiah jeremiah malachi matthew mark luke john acts ephesians philippians first john et al first peter et al jude and revelation.
only a few people will be able to see who is perfect. but it's right there in scripture. plain and simple and true.
look in scripture to see who yahshua says was perfect >> from genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy psalms isaiah jeremiah malachi matthew mark luke john acts ephesians philippians first john et al first peter et al jude and revelation.
only a few people will be able to see who is perfect. but it's right there in scripture. plain and simple and true.
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No. If it were possible then Jesus Christ would NOT have died on the Cross. The Bible says in Romans 3:23 "... for all have sinned and fallen short of The Glory of God". Every human being that is descended from Adam and Eve is born with an inherent fallen nature. Jesus is The Lamb of God that was sacrificed to free mankind from the power of sin and the curse of death.
You are right, we are asked to be perfect. But, we are told that those who desire to be righteous are saved. God tells us Himself, none of us are righteous. I think that line you mention is definitely a guideline, but at the same time, if we could be that way, would we have needed a savior? I think thats definitely Gods wish for us, but not the key to salvation.
Our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ, by offering Himself as a perfect and sufficient sacrifice, has given us a perfect salvation.
His salvation not only includes forgiveness of sins but also saving us from sinning. When a person is in Christ he is a new creation. His spirit soul and body are made new and righteous with God's righteousness. When a christian lives a life surrendered to God , God's Righteousness and God's Spirit will drive his spirit soul and body in paths of righteousness.
Please read the post"if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation".
You will understand that when we are in Christ, our body of sin is crucified with Christ, and we now have body which is driven by God' righteousness.
In Romans chapter seven we see Paul struggling with sin because till then he believed that he was carnal, sold under sin.(Romans7:14) Only when he understood in Romans chapter eight that his body of sin has been crucified with Christ and he now has a body driven by God's righteousness and God's Spirit was he able to live a victorious life
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (Romans 8:10,11)
From the above verses, we see that when Christ lives in us
1. The sinful body dies
2. God's righteousness is imputed to us
3. The Spirit of God lives inside us because of God's righteousness.
4. The Spirit will restore to life our body
So, when Christ lives in us
1.The body of sin is dead
2. The body with God's righteousness imputed is raised up by the Spirit of God who lives in our body because of God's righteousness.
so our body is now driven by the immeasurably powerful God's righteousness and God's Spirit, not by sin (we need to believe this truth to walk in victory over sin)
Hence we see that
you were slaves of sin (Romans 6:17)
Having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness(Romans 6:18)
Having been set free from sin, have become slaves of God( Romans 6:22)
Our saviour Lord Jesus Christ had suffered so much for us to offer us this mighty salvation. Let us live to reflect our Father's glory to the world.
The post"if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation" is an extract from the book"Good news of great joy"
You can read the entire book online by visiting goodnewsofgreatjoy.com
God bless
His salvation not only includes forgiveness of sins but also saving us from sinning. When a person is in Christ he is a new creation. His spirit soul and body are made new and righteous with God's righteousness. When a christian lives a life surrendered to God , God's Righteousness and God's Spirit will drive his spirit soul and body in paths of righteousness.
Please read the post"if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation".
You will understand that when we are in Christ, our body of sin is crucified with Christ, and we now have body which is driven by God' righteousness.
In Romans chapter seven we see Paul struggling with sin because till then he believed that he was carnal, sold under sin.(Romans7:14) Only when he understood in Romans chapter eight that his body of sin has been crucified with Christ and he now has a body driven by God's righteousness and God's Spirit was he able to live a victorious life
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (Romans 8:10,11)
From the above verses, we see that when Christ lives in us
1. The sinful body dies
2. God's righteousness is imputed to us
3. The Spirit of God lives inside us because of God's righteousness.
4. The Spirit will restore to life our body
So, when Christ lives in us
1.The body of sin is dead
2. The body with God's righteousness imputed is raised up by the Spirit of God who lives in our body because of God's righteousness.
so our body is now driven by the immeasurably powerful God's righteousness and God's Spirit, not by sin (we need to believe this truth to walk in victory over sin)
Hence we see that
you were slaves of sin (Romans 6:17)
Having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness(Romans 6:18)
Having been set free from sin, have become slaves of God( Romans 6:22)
Our saviour Lord Jesus Christ had suffered so much for us to offer us this mighty salvation. Let us live to reflect our Father's glory to the world.
The post"if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation" is an extract from the book"Good news of great joy"
You can read the entire book online by visiting goodnewsofgreatjoy.com
God bless
Jesus is discussing loving our enemies.
Matthew 5:48 states: Be perfect, just as your Heavenly Father is perfect."
Luke 6:36 states: Be merciful, just as your Heavenly Father is merciful."
Perfect means merciful.
you do not understand perfection in God's eyes...let your yea be yea and your nay be nay...when you are right you are perfectly right...and when you are wrong you are perfectly wrong......a prefect man is not always perfectly right...when he is wrong he admits he is perfectly wrong...look at Adam....when confronted about sin ...the woman thou has given me ,she gave me to eat...look at David....I have sinned against God....
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[h=1] Ezekiel 11:17-21New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]“Therefore say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“They will return to it and remove all its vile images and detestable idols. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Sovereign Lord.”
[h=4]Cross references:[/h]
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[SUP]18 [/SUP]“They will return to it and remove all its vile images and detestable idols. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Sovereign Lord.”
[h=4]Cross references:[/h]
- Ezekiel 11:17 : S Ne 1:9; S Jer 3:18; 24:5-6; S 31:16; Eze 20:41; 28:25; 34:13; 36:28
- Ezekiel 11:18 : S Eze 5:11
- Ezekiel 11:18 : Eze 37:23
- Ezekiel 11:19 : S 2Ch 30:12; S Ps 86:11
- Ezekiel 11:19 : Zec 7:12; Ro 2:5
- Ezekiel 11:19 : Eze 18:31; S 2Co 3:3
- Ezekiel 11:20 : S Ps 1:2
- Ezekiel 11:20 : S Jer 11:4; 32:38
- Ezekiel 11:20 : S Ex 6:7; Eze 14:11; 34:30; 36:26-28; Hos 1:9; Zec 8:8; Heb 8:10
- Ezekiel 11:21 : Jer 16:18
- Ezekiel 11:21 : Jer 16:11; S Eze 9:10; 16:43
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[B]Is it possible that we can survive one day without sin?[/[/B]HTML]
Yes, for believers of the gospel of Christ.
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[COLOR=#0000cd]Isaiah 61:10
[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd][I]"I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness,..."[/I]
We too are clothed with a robe of righteousness when we believe in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000cd][I][SUP][SIZE=2]"[/SIZE][/SUP]God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
[/I]When we trust in Christ, we make an exchange---our sin for his righteousness.[/COLOR]
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[HTML][B][Can we] be perfect even as your Father which is heaven is perfect[?][/B][[B]/[/B]HTML]
Yes, for believers of the gospel of Christ.
Hebrews 10:14[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000cd][I]"For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."
[/I]We have been made perfect, yet we are "being made holy." Through his death and resurrection, Christ, once for all, made his believers perfect in God's sight. At the same time, he is making them holy (progressively cleansed and set apart for his special use) in their daily pilgrimage here.[/COLOR][HR][/HR][COLOR=#0000cd]
[HTML] "No one is good accept God"Truth.
Mark 10:17, 18
[SUP]17[/SUP][SUP]"[/SUP]As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked,..."
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone."
Jesus' question to the ruler who came and called him "Good teacher" was, in essence, "Do you know who I am?" Undoubtedly the man did not catch the implications of Jesus' reply---that the man was right in calling him good because Jesus truly is God.
Summation: There is no contradiction here.
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Yes, really. I believe it is possible for a Christian to go a whole day without sinning, even a whole year. But we won't live this life without sinning ever. And once you sin even once, you are a sinner. It only takes one sin to keep you out of heaven, if it's not covered by Christ's blood. But Christians can stop sinning, I quit the sin of smoking, I quit the sin of swearing, I quit the sin of many things. I will never return to them. It is not a contradiction- no one is good and perfect accept God, and when we put on God we are made good and perfect just as He is. With grace we are perfect, blameless, and yes even sinless (amen) because the blood washes our sins away, they no longer exist, if we remain in contact with that Blood. God does not tell us to do something that is impossible to do, I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength.
1 John 3:9-10
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Those born of the Holy Ghost neither make or love a lie; for as the flesh is born of the male and female, the soul is born of the Spirit and the Word. As written in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Therefore be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.....
Deut 18:10-13
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Those born of the Holy Ghost neither make or love a lie; for as the flesh is born of the male and female, the soul is born of the Spirit and the Word. As written in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Therefore be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.....
Deut 18:10-13
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.