Tired of the Big LIE

[peacefulbeliever]

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible (seed) by (through) the word of God which liveth and abideth forever. (Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17)

Does anyone know the definition of incorruptible? We are born again of incorruptible seed - which is spirit - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Is spirit eternal? Then the spirit born within us is incorruptible and eternal and THAT is what gives us eternal life.

incorruptible - aphthartos - un corrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
corruptible - phthartos - corruptible, perishing - That which is born of the flesh is flesh.

Bottom line: Our first birth is corruptible - this body will perish (unless the Lord returns first) but our second birth is incorruptible - NOTHING can corrupt the spirit born within us.

Anything we do in the flesh - in our walk, rather good or bad, will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ. Those "bad things" we have done and have not asked forgiveness for will burn, those "good things" we have done will remain. At the end of it all - we will be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.

1 Corinthians 3:13-16 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for he day shall declare it because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is (good or bad). If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss (of rewards) but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I also know the following verses - no need to point them out and I know that we should walk worthy of our calling but the point is some will walk better than others. The "fire" will sort it out!

 

[dcontroversal]

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible (seed) by (through) the word of God which liveth and abideth forever. (Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17)

Does anyone know the definition of incorruptible? We are born again of incorruptible seed - which is spirit - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Is spirit eternal? Then the spirit born within us is incorruptible and eternal and THAT is what gives us eternal life.

incorruptible - aphthartos - un corrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
corruptible - phthartos - corruptible, perishing - That which is born of the flesh is flesh.

Bottom line: Our first birth is corruptible - this body will perish (unless the Lord returns first) but our second birth is incorruptible - NOTHING can corrupt the spirit born within us.

Anything we do in the flesh - in our walk, rather good or bad, will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ. Those "bad things" we have done and have not asked forgiveness for will burn, those "good things" we have done will remain. At the end of it all - we will be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.

1 Corinthians 3:13-16 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for he day shall declare it because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is (good or bad). If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss (of rewards) but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I also know the following verses - no need to point them out and I know that we should walk worthy of our calling but the point is some will walk better than others. The "fire" will sort it out!

Amen and awesome answer....it seems this is difficult to receive, see and believe for those who believe they can lose their salvation.....The Spirit that is born of God does not sin, is eternally saved, sealed and secured in Christ.....while being bound in a weak body of fallen, sinful flesh......I have a hard time understanding how people cannot see this.......and or understand this SIMPLE truth..........

Thanks for the truth Peaceful!

 

[Jimbone]

Man this thread makes me kind of sad because I really feel like both sides basically believe pretty much the same thing yet, because neither side is willing to put there prided down long enough to see that we just argue and make claims about others salvation. I understand DC's point, that we can have that security, and don’t see him trying to promote or defend that we can be saved then sin as much as possible without worry. I feel he is a true brother in Christ and wants to live his life to be that example (not that what I feel means anything at all). I think this is very true and I feel the same way.

I feel the other side is basically saying the same thing really, that we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ and afterward we are called to live our lives accordingly, not that what we do saves us, but once we are made new we pick up our cross and follow Him in absolute gratitude. Both sides are saying we are saved first, period, and both sides seem to agree that we should live better afterward. The conflict seems to come when we look at the saved man’s actions AFTER this takes place. This is where I kind of believe both sides in certain ways. I personally feel that we can still "Choose to" fall away after regeneration technically, but at the same time I can’t personally see how that’s possible in any individual after KNOWING God is real and His Son has saved you. So in a hypothetical, I feel if after my rebirth if I decided that I will ignore the Spirit in me, and continue to live how I want and not live by His word (which again I’m not sure how possible this really is, because in my case anyway, my pride had to die and my will had to be submitted to His before my regeneration could even take place) then I could reject the gift I was given. Not that any little mistake made means I’m not saved for a few minutes until I repent, but as a whole how I look at everything.

I just don’t really think ya’ll disagree enough to warrant all the venom being spit back and forth on here. I see DC, kennethcadwell, Jason0047, eternally-gratefull, and most in here as brothers in Christ and feel all the energy spent here could have been used so much more effectively trying to win unbelievers to Christ, or build each other up.

Not that I’m saying anyone should compromise His word at all just to “get along”, but in this case I just don’t think your views are as far off as they’ve been made out to be in this conversation. Anyway I felt led to say this and it is really just my opinion, I just love you all and thought I’d add my take on the whole thing. Thanks for reading it.

 

[thecreationtutor]

I thank God someone did not allow me to keep believing the lie. and loved me enough to show me truth. not worried about how it would offend me.

Did I say not share? but at what point are you a pearl pusher? Which does nothing but strive

 

[3Scoreand10]

So living a holy and penitent life is not necessary for salvation? If this is what you are saying then please show me where in the Bible you can live like the devil and still be saved?

What you are saying is that your salvation is based upon what YOU do---your living a penitent life.
What I say is that salvation is in Jesus and what He did on the cross.
While you CLAIM to live without sin, I confess that I am a sinner, That all my works are as filthy rags.
I try to live for Jesus because He saved me.
You live for Jesus because you do not want Him to take back His FREE GIFT of salvation.

I'm right
your wrong

 

[3Scoreand10]

Man this thread makes me kind of sad because I really feel like both sides basically believe pretty much the same thing yet, because neither side is willing to put there prided down long enough to see that we just argue and make claims about others salvation. I understand DC's point, that we can have that security, and don’t see him trying to promote or defend that we can be saved then sin as much as possible without worry. I feel he is a true brother in Christ and wants to live his life to be that example (not that what I feel means anything at all). I think this is very true and I feel the same way.

I feel the other side is basically saying the same thing really, that we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ and afterward we are called to live our lives accordingly, not that what we do saves us, but once we are made new we pick up our cross and follow Him in absolute gratitude. Both sides are saying we are saved first, period, and both sides seem to agree that we should live better afterward. The conflict seems to come when we look at the saved man’s actions AFTER this takes place. This is where I kind of believe both sides in certain ways. I personally feel that we can still "Choose to" fall away after regeneration technically, but at the same time I can’t personally see how that’s possible in any individual after KNOWING God is real and His Son has saved you. So in a hypothetical, I feel if after my rebirth if I decided that I will ignore the Spirit in me, and continue to live how I want and not live by His word (which again I’m not sure how possible this really is, because in my case anyway, my pride had to die and my will had to be submitted to His before my regeneration could even take place) then I could reject the gift I was given. Not that any little mistake made means I’m not saved for a few minutes until I repent, but as a whole how I look at everything.

I just don’t really think ya’ll disagree enough to warrant all the venom being spit back and forth on here. I see DC, kennethcadwell, Jason0047, eternally-gratefull, and most in here as brothers in Christ and feel all the energy spent here could have been used so much more effectively trying to win unbelievers to Christ, or build each other up.

Not that I’m saying anyone should compromise His word at all just to “get along”, but in this case I just don’t think your views are as far off as they’ve been made out to be in this conversation. Anyway I felt led to say this and it is really just my opinion, I just love you all and thought I’d add my take on the whole thing. Thanks for reading it.

The different is very simple
Some of us beleive that salvation is eternal.
Others believe that God will take back His FREE GIFT of eternal life if we do not WORK to keep it.

 

[3Scoreand10]

My question to those who believe that you must work to keep your salvation is
How do you know that you are rightous enought to be worthy of eternal life?
If I really believed that I had to work to keep my salvation, I would have quit trying a long time ago.
No matter how hard I try, I sin and fail my Lord every day.

 

[kennethcadwell]

CASE in POINT.....Your refusal to acknowledge that you miss the mark and refuse sound doctrine.....

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

..However I will disagree with you on the physical death part, as we are all appointed to physical death in the flesh from Adams sin, not our own. The death that we are appointed to keep from facing by our faith, which consists of believing in Him and following what He said is the second death; spiritual death in the lake of fire.

MY REPLY
1. The word ALL is not found in the text.....It is appointed unto men once to die....
2. NOT ALL WILL die....WE which are ALIVE AND REMAIN shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye.....
3. God has consistently used premature physical death throughout history to punish those who have sinned while yet being identified with the children of God

ONE OF MANY........

And you just proved my point as I have moved on past that, since I came back to you in response the first time you stated this, with scriptural support to show that until the rapture, gathering together, catching away happens. We all will die in the flesh if it does not happen in our lifetime !!!

Plus you stated earlier in your thread that you do not hold things on others, however here you are many posts later still stuck on the same issue that has already been addressed and answered. Move on and get over that please, as we who are alive right now, if the gathering together does not happen in our lifetime will die in the flesh. We are to live in the faith in Him to escape spiritual death in the lake of fire, as spiritual eternal life is what we are to live for !!!

 

[kennethcadwell]

My question to those who believe that you must work to keep your salvation is
How do you know that you are rightous enought to be worthy of eternal life?
If I really believed that I had to work to keep my salvation, I would have quit trying a long time ago.
No matter how hard I try, I sin and fail my Lord every day.

It is not about being righteous enough or to even earn salvation.
The bible makes it very clear that if your walk does not mirror what the Lord said in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And what the Apostles stated from Acts all the way to Jude, then you are not walking in the spirit. For the Apostles did nothing but confirm everything the Lord said, and Paul was even given the commission to give more meat in the word. The bible clearly lays out the guidelines of what true born again believers would look like, and clear guidelines on what a false believer or unbeliever would look like. Throughout the years people have smeared that line, which we now have these easy believism gospelers who believe salvation is theirs with nothing required. The Lord says different, as He states for much has been given, much will be required......

 

[royalscot]

Pointless debate, people are convinced of their will on both sides. Let them walk by what they are convinced, and their fruit will show, ultimately God will judge. If your truly convinced, people will see that fruit, glorify God, and there is your opportunity to share why you fall on that position.

If it's wrong, it will just lead to people's enslavement and create a caricature of life, numbed down by their failures. Sure at a certain point you try to reason with them, but why let it steal your own Joy? Or why let it strengthen their point in their own eyes. Walk in the fear of the Lord, knowing it is God who works in you.

using the law as in actions is an unfair guide, as we all fell short of law.
so when jesus said judge not or be judged,
would also mean, how will you ever see any fruit in any one. using the law as a guide for actions.

 

[Sirk]

Man this thread makes me kind of sad because I really feel like both sides basically believe pretty much the same thing yet, because neither side is willing to put there prided down long enough to see that we just argue and make claims about others salvation. I understand DC's point, that we can have that security, and don’t see him trying to promote or defend that we can be saved then sin as much as possible without worry. I feel he is a true brother in Christ and wants to live his life to be that example (not that what I feel means anything at all). I think this is very true and I feel the same way.

I feel the other side is basically saying the same thing really, that we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ and afterward we are called to live our lives accordingly, not that what we do saves us, but once we are made new we pick up our cross and follow Him in absolute gratitude. Both sides are saying we are saved first, period, and both sides seem to agree that we should live better afterward. The conflict seems to come when we look at the saved man’s actions AFTER this takes place. This is where I kind of believe both sides in certain ways. I personally feel that we can still "Choose to" fall away after regeneration technically, but at the same time I can’t personally see how that’s possible in any individual after KNOWING God is real and His Son has saved you. So in a hypothetical, I feel if after my rebirth if I decided that I will ignore the Spirit in me, and continue to live how I want and not live by His word (which again I’m not sure how possible this really is, because in my case anyway, my pride had to die and my will had to be submitted to His before my regeneration could even take place) then I could reject the gift I was given. Not that any little mistake made means I’m not saved for a few minutes until I repent, but as a whole how I look at everything.

I just don’t really think ya’ll disagree enough to warrant all the venom being spit back and forth on here. I see DC, kennethcadwell, Jason0047, eternally-gratefull, and most in here as brothers in Christ and feel all the energy spent here could have been used so much more effectively trying to win unbelievers to Christ, or build each other up.

Not that I’m saying anyone should compromise His word at all just to “get along”, but in this case I just don’t think your views are as far off as they’ve been made out to be in this conversation. Anyway I felt led to say this and it is really just my opinion, I just love you all and thought I’d add my take on the whole thing. Thanks for reading it.

a lot of head knowledge in this thread but very little rubber meets the road heart to heart connection with Jesus.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Man this thread makes me kind of sad because I really feel like both sides basically believe pretty much the same thing yet, because neither side is willing to put there prided down long enough to see that we just argue and make claims about others salvation. I understand DC's point, that we can have that security, and don’t see him trying to promote or defend that we can be saved then sin as much as possible without worry. I feel he is a true brother in Christ and wants to live his life to be that example (not that what I feel means anything at all). I think this is very true and I feel the same way.

I feel the other side is basically saying the same thing really, that we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ and afterward we are called to live our lives accordingly, not that what we do saves us, but once we are made new we pick up our cross and follow Him in absolute gratitude. Both sides are saying we are saved first, period, and both sides seem to agree that we should live better afterward. The conflict seems to come when we look at the saved man’s actions AFTER this takes place. This is where I kind of believe both sides in certain ways. I personally feel that we can still "Choose to" fall away after regeneration technically, but at the same time I can’t personally see how that’s possible in any individual after KNOWING God is real and His Son has saved you. So in a hypothetical, I feel if after my rebirth if I decided that I will ignore the Spirit in me, and continue to live how I want and not live by His word (which again I’m not sure how possible this really is, because in my case anyway, my pride had to die and my will had to be submitted to His before my regeneration could even take place) then I could reject the gift I was given. Not that any little mistake made means I’m not saved for a few minutes until I repent, but as a whole how I look at everything.

I just don’t really think ya’ll disagree enough to warrant all the venom being spit back and forth on here. I see DC, kennethcadwell, Jason0047, eternally-gratefull, and most in here as brothers in Christ and feel all the energy spent here could have been used so much more effectively trying to win unbelievers to Christ, or build each other up.

Not that I’m saying anyone should compromise His word at all just to “get along”, but in this case I just don’t think your views are as far off as they’ve been made out to be in this conversation. Anyway I felt led to say this and it is really just my opinion, I just love you all and thought I’d add my take on the whole thing. Thanks for reading it.

Great post, and it comes down to as a born again believer are we to let people say things that are not biblically correct when new believers are listening, or are we to come back in a loving and caring way and show with scripture the correct biblical teaching.

I for one do not like to debate, and I use to avoid it at all costs growing up. When I gave my life fully to Christ, He molded me and pulled me to preach and teach the warnings of Paul. Now I feel the Holy Spirit pull me to confront false when I see a false statement about His way or scriptures. Like Paul said if I confront you, it is not I but the Spirit in me that is confronting you on the false statement to bring out the truth. If it was my own doing I would have left this site long ago do to all the confrontations that get ugly.

To finally give the final fact is that yes it may seem inconceivable to think a person can walk away from God after hearing the truth and not end up with salvation. Yet the bible gives many examples of it happening, and we must trust the word of God and lean not on our own understanding........

 

[3Scoreand10]

It is not about being righteous enough or to even earn salvation.
The bible makes it very clear that if your walk does not mirror what the Lord said in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And what the Apostles stated from Acts all the way to Jude, then you are not walking in the spirit. For the Apostles did nothing but confirm everything the Lord said, and Paul was even given the commission to give more meat in the word. The bible clearly lays out the guidelines of what true born again believers would look like, and clear guidelines on what a false believer or unbeliever would look like. Throughout the years people have smeared that line, which we now have these easy believism gospelers who believe salvation is theirs with nothing required. The Lord says different, as He states for much has been given, much will be required......

You just said that you must do good work to KEEP you salvation.
That is exactly what you said. You can not deny it.

But how do you know that you have done enough?
Can you know in this life or do you have to wait until you stand before the Lord?

 

[posthuman]

yes he saved you ....the onus is upon you to remain saved in him ...can you be ignorant of his teachings and still be in Him?? why did he say learn of me....why did he give you power??? why did he give you strength...are you a babe that he should give you food and feed you too??? be a man and take up his yoke....do you know two cannot be unequally yoked else one will hinder the other...


Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

if it's my "onus" to "remain saved" -- that's not much of a state of "rest" now is it?

newbirth, did you actually get born anew? do you give birth to yourself, and are you constantly living in fear that you might fall backwards into the womb and become unborn again?

i mean, did nothing actually happen to you by way of finding faith in Christ? do you think it's just that you've signed on a dotted line somewhere promising to make yourself holy, like you made a new-year's resolution or something, with no help, no outside influence other than a rule-book?

or was there an actual, literal change in you that originated from the outside and transforms you?

you make it sound as though Christ does nothing for us. like Christianity is just an open-invitation to walk on a tightrope with no training or safety-net.

"be a man and save yourself" is not the gospel i received.

 

[Jimbone]

The different is very simple
Some of us beleive that salvation is eternal.
Others believe that God will take back His FREE GIFT of eternal life if we do not WORK to keep it.

Look I'm not going to join the back and forth, but it's not a matter of Him taking it back, it's a matter of YOU throwing it back in His face. Why is that so hard to understand. With what you are saying right here, you are suggesting to me that you believe that it’s impossible for me to decide I don't want God anymore. Are you saying that if I decided right now that I no longer wanted to be a Christian anymore and did everything I could to show God I don't accept your gift anymore, that no matter what I'm stuck with it. You seem to think we are saying God will kick us out when that's not what’s being said AT ALL. I can do the same thing with what you're saying and say, "oh, you just think we get a "get out of jail free" card from Jesus and can now live however we want. Make your promise verbally in church and then you are free to live just how you have been", like Christ came here to free us from all law so we can do whatever we want from now on? See, I know good and well you don’t think that, but that is what I can make OSAS mean to me.

So it’s really perspective and how you look at it that makes all the difference. Another example of perspective I could use against you right now that would make as much sense as your point is, “I think you just like to find me and argue, and I feel this way because the kid on your avatar keeps looking at me with a mean face and with his fist up. You must love confrontation huh? I don’t because the kid on mine is raising his hands to give the Lord glory. This must mean that you are mean and I am Godly. I’m much more peaceful than you, and wiser at half your age“. Does this argument hold any water? I would like to ask you how it is you know exactly what each one of these guys believe? I say we are all brothers, you take us and divide us into 2 groups without so much as 1 question asked to the other side to try to understand what exactly they are saying at all. Whatever makes you happy with yourself. I am also wondering if I get to look forward to you disagreeing with everything I write now in every thread I comment in? I hate using ignore but if you’re going to make this a habit let me know so I can just add you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You just said that you must do good work to KEEP you salvation.
That is exactly what you said. You can not deny it.

But how do you know that you have done enough?
Can you know in this life or do you have to wait until you stand before the Lord?

Once again like I said it is not about doing enough, as it is about walking in love, forgiveness, and mercy to others.
If one walks this way all other things will fall into place. Read Matthew 25 as the Lord gives us more than one parable, and the underlining meaning of those parables is not believers and unbelievers. All those in those parables accept Jesus as their Lord, however some prepared for His coming and walked in love and the others did not prepare and walk in love. Because they squandered and did not build on what was delivered to them, the Lord shut them out of salvation and sent them to the lake of fire. These parables work hand and hand with what the Lord said in Luke 12:45-46, when He said when He comes back and finds those of His (servants) not doing His will in their life. He will cut them in two and appoint them a place in the lake of fire with the unbelievers......
These are His words and not mine, as He says a disobedient servant will be cast out with the unbelievers...

 

[posthuman]

are we all still thumbing a ride toward glory, or did Christ pick us up?

brother, "the bus came by, and i got on."

 

[kennethcadwell]

if it's my "onus" to "remain saved" -- that's not much of a state of "rest" now is it?

newbirth, did you actually get born anew? do you give birth to yourself, and are you constantly living in fear that you might fall backwards into the womb and become unborn again?

i mean, did nothing actually happen to you by way of finding faith in Christ? do you think it's just that you've signed on a dotted line somewhere promising to make yourself holy, like you made a new-year's resolution or something, with no help, no outside influence other than a rule-book?

or was there an actual, literal change in you that originated from the outside and transforms you?

you make it sound as though Christ does nothing for us. like Christianity is just an open-invitation to walk on a tightrope with no training or safety-net.

"be a man and save yourself" is not the gospel i received.

To get salvation/eternal life is a two way street, and not a one way road.....
I know some do not like to look at this way, but this showed all through out the new testament that we play a role in our salvation through the Lord. Take this scripture from the Apostle Paul to the Apostle Timothy;

1 Timothy 4:16


Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

 

[Jimbone]

My question to those who believe that you must work to keep your salvation is
How do you know that you are rightous enought to be worthy of eternal life?
If I really believed that I had to work to keep my salvation, I would have quit trying a long time ago.
No matter how hard I try, I sin and fail my Lord every day.

All I can do is answer for myself, but I know I am saved because the Holy Spirit came into me regenerating me and making me an all NEW CREATURE, just like everyone else who's saved. It also changed a lot of my behaviors OVERNIGHT, and since then people can unmistakably see the change in me from how I now live my life before to how I live it in Him now. I don’t think the same way, I don’t want the same things, I am COMPLETELY different than I was before. I did not change to keep my salvation up to date, the change was All due to Him living inside me and changing me, I did NOTHING. I acted one way in the flesh lost, and once He saved me I was changed (by Him) into something all new. Did you not go through this change? If so are the changes He made in your heart and behaviors just you trying to “earn” salvation? That is ALL I’m talking about, and every day I try to draw closer, not to “keep” salvation, but in loving and complete gratitude for it. It has nothing to do with my salvation status, and all to do with my love for our Lord. Understand?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Galatians condemns this type of doctrine....

Having begun in the spirit are you now made complete by WORKS....Paul calls them bewitched and fools who have believed and propagate a cursed gospel of a different kind with no power to save.....they will all find out when they go before Jesus and get cast from his presence while claiming their right to enter based upon the MANY WONDERFUL WORKS that they have done in his name..........

LORD, LORD...we have done many wonderful works in YOUR NAME....DEPART from me ye workers of iniquity<---the destiny of those who trust in their works and abilities to save themselves and or keep themselves saved!

Having begun in the spirit means they were discipled to become believers, born again. Later they were drawn to add works of the law, as did Peter who flip flopped between pleasing the Jews, and fellowshipipng with Gentiles when the Jews went home.

Paul makes it clear in Galatians it's possible for believers to move away from the Lord, forsaking the gospel, and taking up another way. Elsewhere Paul speaks of men making shipwreck of their souls.
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Their sin? 2 Timothy 2:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

We all ought to take from that no Christian has a "license to sin", but can be turned over to Satan upon being drawn into false doctrine, then causing others to depart from faith.

Matthew 7:21-27 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Going back to the works of the law, the subject in Galatians, is disatrous for a Christian. But in that passage it is obvious that if we do the words of Christ, we shall stand securely, but if we don't do them we will fall.

The Bible presents many dire warnings to "workers of iniquity". There are many examples given for a full understanding of that, which includes false teaching, false prophecy, immorality, etc. "Iniquity" often is used for lawlessness, wickedness, illegality, maybe not actually violating a law, like taking a wicked loophole that is immoral, which probably should be added to laws prohibiting such behavior. It's doing the "unseemly" things that are not spelled out in the Bible, like some unspeakable news of violence we witness today.

A born again Christian will consistently do works of righteousness ever increasingly as his mind is renewed, and must endure temptation to the very end. If that isn't present, then we show "works if iniquity" to our account. Workers of iniquity will not be saved in the end. No Christian will live a life of open sin to the shame of the blood of Jesus. It can't be and remain a Christian.
1 John 2:29 (KJV) [SUP]29 [/SUP] If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 5:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I question the notion of a man spirit being exempt from sin of soul/body. If the works of the mind and body are wickedness, how can it be the spiritman is walking with God? Being "born from above" is often misunderstood as a sanctification of the spirit, soul and body to begin doing works of righteousness, not doing works of iniquity, led by the Devil.

Christians who do the words of Jesus should not be troubled over their salvation. Believers sho return to their vomit will not be saved.
2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The line is straight and well defined. Cross over to Jesus and stay put with him, world.