Tired of the Big LIE

[Hizikyah]

There is no faith without action, say one believes but has no action is not faith at all.

Heb 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

Messiah says;

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

What are you guys going to tell Him "they they killed you so I didnt have to listen to you, Im saved you know"

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

 

[kennethcadwell]

True. Neither is it "losing your salvation."

So you can serve darkness, and serve light and get the gift of eternal life ?

I think you need to go back and reread God's word if you thing you can, for Jesus and Paul both say you can not !!!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

So you can serve darkness, and serve light and get the gift of eternal life ?

How do you come up with such nonsense? Show me a New or Old Testament passage that uses the phrase "serve darkness." Good luck with that. Jesus negated your argument, even if you could find something that remotely resembled that ridiculous thought.

John 12, NASB
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." ​

Several things about that verse, which is the closest you will ever come to finding a biblical entry that mentions a concept like the one you're trying to invent.

"Follows" = akolouqeo, transliterated akoloutheo. It literally means "to become a disciple."
"Walk" = peripateo, transliterated peripateo, making due use of opportunities.
"Darkness" = skotia, transliterated skotia, metaphorically (as used in this verse) to be ignorant of the ways of God.

So what can we discern from this verse, using these original Greek concepts. If we are followers of Christ -- and we must be followers/disciples to be Christians, and therefore His possession -- then we become immersed in Him. That is the meaning of the terms "follower" and "disciple, both. Walking, making "due use" of opportunities, implies a pastime or a habit of doing so, within the confines of the circumstances described, in this case, darkness. In other words, taking advantage of being ignorant of God.

Christians are not ignorant of God, but they do sin, and sometimes grievously. Alcoholism, disordered gambling, habitually viewing of pornography -- none of these are outside the realm of possibility for a Christian. Adultery, stealing, lying, gossiping, murder -- also not beyond that realm. We are in the flesh, subject to the ruling of the flesh, if we drop our guard in the wrong circumstance. They have not "taken opportunity of being ignorant of God," as Jesus implies that is not possible.

They have committed, in those cases, sin that will bear consequences -- Earthly consequences, not heavenly. Such instances of sin, even of the most grievous types, are not cause for God to "cut the cord," repossess the Holy Spirit, and boot them out of eternal life. It is opportunity for growth in Christ, to become witnesses of His glory, His love, His mercy, His grace. They may not come to a point of realization to those aspects of their sin for some time, even years, perhaps most of a lifetime. But even so, you are not their judge. He is. So stop trying to tell people lies about losing their salvation.

I think you need to go back and reread God's word if you thing you can, for Jesus and Paul both say you can not !!!

Funny. I was going to tell you the same thing. And this time, pay attention.

 

[kennethcadwell]

How do you come up with such nonsense? Show me a New or Old Testament passage that uses the phrase "serve darkness." Good luck with that. Jesus negated your argument, even if you could find something that remotely resembled that ridiculous thought.

John 12, NASB
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." ​

Several things about that verse, which is the closest you will ever come to finding a biblical entry that mentions a concept like the one you're trying to invent.

"Follows" = akolouqeo, transliterated akoloutheo. It literally means "to become a disciple."
"Walk" = peripateo, transliterated peripateo, making due use of opportunities.
"Darkness" = skotia, transliterated skotia, metaphorically (as used in this verse) to be ignorant of the ways of God.

So what can we discern from this verse, using these original Greek concepts. If we are followers of Christ -- and we must be followers/disciples to be Christians, and therefore His possession -- then we become immersed in Him. That is the meaning of the terms "follower" and "disciple, both. Walking, making "due use" of opportunities, implies a pastime or a habit of doing so, within the confines of the circumstances described, in this case, darkness. In other words, taking advantage of being ignorant of God.

Christians are not ignorant of God, but they do sin, and sometimes grievously. Alcoholism, disordered gambling, habitually viewing of pornography -- none of these are outside the realm of possibility for a Christian. Adultery, stealing, lying, gossiping, murder -- also not beyond that realm. We are in the flesh, subject to the ruling of the flesh, if we drop our guard in the wrong circumstance. They have not "taken opportunity of being ignorant of God," as Jesus implies that is not possible.

They have committed, in those cases, sin that will bear consequences -- Earthly consequences, not heavenly. Such instances of sin, even of the most grievous types, are not cause for God to "cut the cord," repossess the Holy Spirit, and boot them out of eternal life. It is opportunity for growth in Christ, to become witnesses of His glory, His love, His mercy, His grace. They may not come to a point of realization to those aspects of their sin for some time, even years, perhaps most of a lifetime. But even so, you are not their judge. He is. So stop trying to tell people lies about losing their salvation.

Funny. I was going to tell you the same thing. And this time, pay attention.

Why do I need to as you already gave one in John 12, as you do know that walking in darkness is willful sins !!!

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

If you keep committing those same sins over and over again everyday, they are your master that you obey.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I read his first line and immediately thought of numerous scriptures that contradict his view....He that hath the SON HATH ETERNAL LIFE.....He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.....there are numerous scriptures that teach that a believer is already possessing eternal life......par for the course with those who believe you can lose it I guess......

pisteuó: to believe, entrust​

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Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.HELPS Word-studies
4100 pisteúō (from 4102 /pístis, "faith," derived from 3982 /peíthō, "persuade, be persuaded") – believe (affirm, have confidence); used of persuading oneself (= human believing) and with the sacred significance of being persuaded by the Lord (= faith-believing). Only the context indicates whether 4100 /pisteúō ("believe") is self-serving (without sacred meaning), or the believing that leads to/proceeds from God's inbirthing of faith.


1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;
a. universally: the thing believed being evident from the preceding context
b. specifically, in a moral and religious reference, πιστεύειν is used in the N. T. of "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of his soul"; thus it stands α. absolutely to trust in Jesus or in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something:

echó: ​

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Original Word: ἔχω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: echó
Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-o)
Short Definition: I have, hold, possess
Definition: I have, hold, possess.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition

1. to have equivalent to to hold;
a. to have (hold) in the hand
b. in the sense of wearing (Latingestare); of garments, arms and the like
c. tropically, to have (hold) possession of the mind; said of alarm, agitating emotions, etc
d. to hold fast, keep

 

[posthuman]

you guys that say we can easily go a whole week or more in the flesh without sin are either way more holy than i am, or have a much lower standard of "holiness" than i do.

 

[kennethcadwell]

you guys that say we can easily go a whole week or more in the flesh without sin are either way more holy than i am, or have a much lower standard of "holiness" than i do.

No I don't look at that way, as all I do is trust in God's word that all things are possible for us who believe.
I trust in what He says, and agree with it and in turn let Him control my life through the Holy Spirit. Not putting limitations on Him any more because I did that long enough in the past...

 

[wolfwint]

I am glad that the Lord has the last word and knew who belongs to his family. It seems that we human sinners, dont know. If i die today i know where i will be, because of his grace!

 

[posthuman]

No I don't look at that way, as all I do is trust in God's word that all things are possible for us who believe.
I trust in what He says, and agree with it and in turn let Him control my life through the Holy Spirit. Not putting limitations on Him any more because I did that long enough in the past...

the way i look at that is that He's clothed me with Christ's righteousness - "having not a righteousness of my own, but that which comes by faith"
so i don't remain justified by my own holiness, but by His.
at the same time though -- for example, i know i should be giving thanks in all things, praying without ceasing and rejoicing always (1 Thessalonians 5), and i know that if i don't do any good that i know i ought to do, it is sin (James 4:17).

my friend, i'm not sure that i've gone 10 minutes of my life without failing to be thankful in everything, failing to continually pray, and failing to always rejoice! to me, that's not 10 minutes of sinless perfection.

so here i am, endlessly thanking God for His grace!

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Im tired of the big lie that doing the will of YHWH is "justified by works"

If you were standing in front of me, then I'd hug you.

What you said in one simple sentence sums up my sentiments exactly.

We're called to abide in Christ, the Ultimate "good tree", but in many people's greatly deceived minds, such is apparently a fountainhead of SIN.

I seriously doubt that several people in this conversation are even saved...I seriously do.

Perhaps we should give this whole "once saved, always saved" conversation a rest and just start preaching salvation to some of the members here.

It couldn't hurt.

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." (Matthew 1:21)

 

[posthuman]

No I don't look at that way, as all I do is trust in God's word that all things are possible for us who believe.
I trust in what He says, and agree with it and in turn let Him control my life through the Holy Spirit. Not putting limitations on Him any more because I did that long enough in the past...

hey i'm not really disagreeing with you -- but it's that all things are possible *THROUGH CHRIST* -- not just "all things possible" -- so if it is Christ working in me for my sanctification and His good pleasure, and it is Christ's righteousness imputed to me, not my own, and it is faith of Him that justifies, amen! everything is possible.

so it is that even while i am not perfect with regard to law, i am perfected in faith through Him, and that i would lie to say i am without sin, but as i abide in him, and confess my iniquity, His faithfulness is not just to forgive but to redeem me!

 

[kennethcadwell]

the way i look at that is that He's clothed me with Christ's righteousness - "having not a righteousness of my own, but that which comes by faith"
so i don't remain justified by my own holiness, but by His.
at the same time though -- for example, i know i should be giving thanks in all things, praying without ceasing and rejoicing always (1 Thessalonians 5), and i know that if i don't do any good that i know i ought to do, it is sin (James 4:17).

my friend, i'm not sure that i've gone 10 minutes of my life without failing to be thankful in everything, failing to continually pray, and failing to always rejoice! to me, that's not 10 minutes of sinless perfection.

so here i am, endlessly thanking God for His grace!

Well I see where you come from on this, but maybe I can relax your thought process on that a little because even though that scripture says pray without ceasing and rejoicing always does not mean you are sinning if you don't do that constantly. We are each given a different measurement of faith from the Lord that He knows we can handle at that point, and from there He will work on us through the Holy Spirit to strengthen us where we are still weak.
Put your faith and trust in Him and His Holy Spirit, and He will mold you to perfection when He feels you are ready for the next step. This is not to sound degrading, or disrespectful, but some mature faster in the faith then others. Apostle Paul even gives us a picture of his transition as a young new believer to a mature believer in the faith in Romans 7 to Romans 9.


Romans 12:3
For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.

 

[kennethcadwell]

hey i'm not really disagreeing with you -- but it's that all things are possible *THROUGH CHRIST* -- not just "all things possible" -- so if it is Christ working in me for my sanctification and His good pleasure, and it is Christ's righteousness imputed to me, not my own, and it is faith of Him that justifies, amen! everything is possible.

so it is that even while i am not perfect with regard to law, i am perfected in faith through Him, and that i would lie to say i am without sin, but as i abide in him, and confess my iniquity, His faithfulness is not just to forgive but to redeem me!

Yes as I have never said I am without sin, but there is a difference in saying one is without sin and one can go a day to a month without sinning. I would never say I am without sin as that would be lie, as we are all short of that heavenly perfection. His word tells me that the Holy Spirit is my helper to keep me walking properly, abstain from sins, and make me strong where I am week. And I have already seen that working in me in many areas.
I no longer have the same drive in my lusts I once had, I no longer avoid confrontations but instead are pulled to stay firm in defending His word, and some of the sins I once committed I commit no longer. This praise and thanks goes all to Him, which is why I will defend the sin issue tell I am blue in the face. Because I personally have felt and saw the changes the Holy Spirit has already made in my life in the past 10 years.
Even I was shocked myself as on here about a week ago 4 people said to me, they were amazed at how much patience's I had with others who were negative, disrespectful, and down right disgraceful toward others. I never had patience before I totally surrendered to God, and avoided confrontations like a plague.......

 

[Jason0047]

How do you come up with such nonsense? Show me a New or Old Testament passage that uses the phrase "serve darkness." Good luck with that. Jesus negated your argument, even if you could find something that remotely resembled that ridiculous thought.

John 12, NASB
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." ​

Several things about that verse, which is the closest you will ever come to finding a biblical entry that mentions a concept like the one you're trying to invent.

"Follows" = akolouqeo, transliterated akoloutheo. It literally means "to become a disciple."
"Walk" = peripateo, transliterated peripateo, making due use of opportunities.
"Darkness" = skotia, transliterated skotia, metaphorically (as used in this verse) to be ignorant of the ways of God.

So what can we discern from this verse, using these original Greek concepts. If we are followers of Christ -- and we must be followers/disciples to be Christians, and therefore His possession -- then we become immersed in Him. That is the meaning of the terms "follower" and "disciple, both. Walking, making "due use" of opportunities, implies a pastime or a habit of doing so, within the confines of the circumstances described, in this case, darkness. In other words, taking advantage of being ignorant of God.

Christians are not ignorant of God, but they do sin, and sometimes grievously. Alcoholism, disordered gambling, habitually viewing of pornography -- none of these are outside the realm of possibility for a Christian. Adultery, stealing, lying, gossiping, murder -- also not beyond that realm. We are in the flesh, subject to the ruling of the flesh, if we drop our guard in the wrong circumstance. They have not "taken opportunity of being ignorant of God," as Jesus implies that is not possible.

They have committed, in those cases, sin that will bear consequences -- Earthly consequences, not heavenly. Such instances of sin, even of the most grievous types, are not cause for God to "cut the cord," repossess the Holy Spirit, and boot them out of eternal life. It is opportunity for growth in Christ, to become witnesses of His glory, His love, His mercy, His grace. They may not come to a point of realization to those aspects of their sin for some time, even years, perhaps most of a lifetime. But even so, you are not their judge. He is. So stop trying to tell people lies about losing their salvation.

Funny. I was going to tell you the same thing. And this time, pay attention.

Darkness is sin. What else can it be? 1 John 1:6 says, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth:" This is a parallel to the verse in the next chapter that says, "He that saith, I know and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

The Condemnation also defines "darkness" as evil deeds (sin), too.

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:19-20).

 

[3Scoreand10]

Darkness is sin. What else can it be? 1 John 1:6 says, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth:" This is a parallel to the verse in the next chapter that says, "He that saith, I know and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

The Condemnation also defines "darkness" as evil deeds (sin), too.

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:19-20).

This is speaking of those who have never been saved, not those who were once saved but lost their salvation because of sin.

 

[kennethcadwell]

1 Peter 1:9


Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.




James 1:12


Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.




Matthew 24:10-13


And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.




Matthew 10:22


And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.




2 Peter 2:20-22


For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”




Hebrews 12:1-3


Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.




Hebrews 10:36


For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.




Hebrews 6:4-6


For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.




Hebrews 3:12-14


Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.




2 Timothy 4:2-8


Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.




1 Timothy 4:16


Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.




1 Corinthians 9:24-25


Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.




Romans 11:19-22


Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.




Mark 13:9-13


“But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them. And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.






Colossians 1:22-23


In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[Jeff_56]

"22 They said, “A holy angel spoke to Cornelius, ·an army officer [L a centurion] and a ·good [righteous] man; he ·worships [L fears] God. ·All the people [L The whole Jewish nation] ·respect [speak well of; L testify to] him. ?

see,
a gentile,
before kepha met him,
lived a righteous (holy) life, respected by the whole Jewish nation. (A GENTILE!!!!! ) <<remember >>>>>

27 As he talked with Cornelius, Peter went inside where he ·saw [L found] many people gathered. 28 He said, “You people understand that it is against our law for Jewish people to associate with or visit anyone who is a ·foreigner [Gentile].

Acts 5:29 “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.”

and God said >>>
[SUP]27 [/SUP]As he talked with him, Kefa went inside and found many people gathered. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them, “You are well aware that for a man who is a Jew to have close association with someone who belongs to another people, or to come and visit him, is something that just isn’t done. But God has shown me not to call any person common or unclean... "

(how about that !!! gentile sinners are no long UNCLEAN to Jewish ekkleisa..... who could ever have guessed ?)

 

[dcontroversal]

I am glad that the Lord has the last word and knew who belongs to his family. It seems that we human sinners, dont know. If i die today i know where i will be, because of his grace!

Amen to this as well.......In the grace you are having been saved out of faith, and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast....

That not of yourself is directed at the faith which has saved you....it is the faith and faithfulness of Christ that has resulted in your salvation....all according to grace.....!

 

[newbirth]

How do you come up with such nonsense? Show me a New or Old Testament passage that uses the phrase "serve darkness." Good luck with that. Jesus negated your argument, even if you could find something that remotely resembled that ridiculous thought.

John 12, NASB
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." ​

Several things about that verse, which is the closest you will ever come to finding a biblical entry that mentions a concept like the one you're trying to invent.

"Follows" = akolouqeo, transliterated akoloutheo. It literally means "to become a disciple."
"Walk" = peripateo, transliterated peripateo, making due use of opportunities.
"Darkness" = skotia, transliterated skotia, metaphorically (as used in this verse) to be ignorant of the ways of God.

do you really not understand what he means by...

serve darkness

So what can we discern from this verse, using these original Greek concepts. If we are followers of Christ -- and we must be followers/disciples to be Christians, and therefore His possession -- then we become immersed in Him. That is the meaning of the terms "follower" and "disciple, both. Walking, making "due use" of opportunities, implies a pastime or a habit of doing so, within the confines of the circumstances described, in this case, darkness. In other words, taking advantage of being ignorant of God.

OK so he who becomes a disciple will not use any opportunities to be ignorant of God's ways....

Christians are not ignorant of God, but they do sin, and sometimes grievously. Alcoholism, disordered gambling, habitually viewing of pornography -- none of these are outside the realm of possibility for a Christian. Adultery, stealing, lying, gossiping, murder -- also not beyond that realm. We are in the flesh, subject to the ruling of the flesh, if we drop our guard in the wrong circumstance. They have not "taken opportunity of being ignorant of God," as Jesus implies that is not possible

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but Alcoholism, disordered gambling, habitually viewing of pornography are opportunities people use to be ignorant of God's ways....exactly what he says a disciple will not do....so it is evident they are not following Him/being a disciple...

They have committed, in those cases, sin that will bear consequences -- Earthly consequences, not heavenly. Such instances of sin, even of the most grievous types, are not cause for God to "cut the cord," repossess the Holy Spirit, and boot them out of eternal life. It is opportunity for growth in Christ, to become witnesses of His glory, His love, His mercy, His grace. They may not come to a point of realization to those aspects of their sin for some time, even years, perhaps most of a lifetime. But even so, you are not their judge. He is. So stop trying to tell people lies about losing their salvation.

the wages of sin is still death last time I checked....there can be no sin in Christ...are you saying one can live in sin for years or a lifetime....and not know???and you say he is abiding in Christ???in the light....bro if that is not ignorance I don’t know what is...

 

[newbirth]

This is speaking of those who have never been saved, not those who were once saved but lost their salvation because of sin.

what is your proof of that????/