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Because the first death...
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Is not the wages of sin. The wages of sin is eternal death...
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Is not the wages of sin. The wages of sin is eternal death...
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Nope, I am not saying that, John said it...
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
So then why did Paul say I do that which I don't want to do and don't do that what I should do? I have given my heart to God and when I mess up which I do just like Paul said I ask God to forgive me and help me to turn away from sinning. But I still fall every now and then and glad Jesus is my Savior. The law doesn't save me Jesus Saves.
M
I wouldn't say they were demented teachings, once we all can try the spirit whether they are of God (1 John 4), we also shouldn't trust always in what internet says, there are lots of lies... there is not a perfect religion building, with only perfect people, I wouldn't use a blind man even if they were alive, to make fun of him and of others. That's sad.
H
According to your fellow Adventist, gotime, the righteous do righteousness ( gotime means righteousness by PERFECT obedience to the law).
Yet you and other Adventists like you admit you fail to do righteousness.
When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.
so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?
Yet you and other Adventists like you admit you fail to do righteousness.
When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.
so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?
When I said to gotime that he also had suggested that the righteous do unrighteousness, as you claim you do, he never answered for his contradiction.
so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?[/QUOTE]
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I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).
so which is it? Do Adventists do righteousness (as in PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness) as gotime suggests from 1John 3:7, or do they not do righteousness as you claim, and gotime inadvertently admitted to in contradiction to his claim that the righteous do righteousness?[/QUOTE]
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I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).
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I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).[/QUOTE]
Gotime has stated he is not aware that he commits sin. He believes it is possible to live a sinless life on this earth, I can assure you that is the truth.
If we love Jesus and know the truth, we should look away from ourselves and to our Saviour, trusting him to bring about the changes needed in our life. We realise in and of ourselves we can do nothing. We rely on Christ and the sanctification ogf the Holy Spirit to live an evermore Holy life. The emphasis should not be on what we can do, but what God can and wil do in us through faith in His Son and total reliance on the Holy Spirit
I think you are twisting what gotime is saying
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Does anyone do/live perfectly righteously? Does anyone perfectly obey the law? If you say yes you are deceiving yourself. He that is without sin, cast the first stone, 1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But this does not mean we can't be righteous before God.
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Our righteousness is not found in our works or in our actions it is found in Christ.
Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Just because Christ covers our sins with His righteousness does not mean we shouldn't aim and strive to perfectly keep the righteous requirements of the law.
If we love Jesus we should try to keep His commandments (His righteous perfect commandments).[/QUOTE]
Gotime has stated he is not aware that he commits sin. He believes it is possible to live a sinless life on this earth, I can assure you that is the truth.
If we love Jesus and know the truth, we should look away from ourselves and to our Saviour, trusting him to bring about the changes needed in our life. We realise in and of ourselves we can do nothing. We rely on Christ and the sanctification ogf the Holy Spirit to live an evermore Holy life. The emphasis should not be on what we can do, but what God can and wil do in us through faith in His Son and total reliance on the Holy Spirit
Michael56
i agree that we can be like Christ, i can't live a sinless life, but Christ can and if Christ is living in me then His perfect life will be done in me.
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
By looking at and knowing Christ we are transformed (Not all at once) and the more we come to His feet the more we know Him the more we will be transformed into His image, obedience to the law in heart and mind.
i agree that we can be like Christ, i can't live a sinless life, but Christ can and if Christ is living in me then His perfect life will be done in me.
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
By looking at and knowing Christ we are transformed (Not all at once) and the more we come to His feet the more we know Him the more we will be transformed into His image, obedience to the law in heart and mind.
H
As Michael said in his post, gotime claims that he is not aware that he sins now. He claims that he understands that he now lives a sinless life, or in other words doing righteousness.
But then when he spoke about Christians still being righteous whilst doing bad things, that's when I questioned his claim about the righteous do righteousness. At that point gotime seemed to have left the forum, so I never got an explanation for his apparent contradiction.
I agree.
A Christians faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5) and this is the only way we'll be deemed as righteous as none of us is physically perfect.
Christians should show an improvement in behaviour as we love one another. But the fact is that in this physical world with all it's flaws, misunderstanding, etc, we do offend each other, etc. Thus we show the same love/grace to one another as God showed to us. That is we forgive 7x70.
But now we get to the issue of the law that Adventists measure a Christian's righteousness by. Most Christians do not and never will keep the Sabbath as Adventists claim we must. Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath?
But then when he spoke about Christians still being righteous whilst doing bad things, that's when I questioned his claim about the righteous do righteousness. At that point gotime seemed to have left the forum, so I never got an explanation for his apparent contradiction.
I agree.
A Christians faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5) and this is the only way we'll be deemed as righteous as none of us is physically perfect.
Christians should show an improvement in behaviour as we love one another. But the fact is that in this physical world with all it's flaws, misunderstanding, etc, we do offend each other, etc. Thus we show the same love/grace to one another as God showed to us. That is we forgive 7x70.
But now we get to the issue of the law that Adventists measure a Christian's righteousness by. Most Christians do not and never will keep the Sabbath as Adventists claim we must. Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath?
God not Adventist's measure righteousness by the law.
Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The Law is the righteous standard that we all fail to keep but Christ obeyed the law perfectly and by faith in Him we gain Christ's righteousness. I am not judge so i can't say who is or isn't saved, i just know Christ is our advocate and will represent those that believe.
1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath? I believe we are unrighteous when we transgress the law of God, when we sin, Adam became naked when he sinned. So the question should be, do you believe not keeping the Sabbath is a sin? To this i say for myself yes, for someone that doesn't know any different, God will judge their hearts.
As the verse below states, Sin is Sin, but if we don't know it's a sin (are ignorant), the priest (Christ) will make atonement for them.
Num 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The law is like a mirror, when we look into a mirror it tells us what we look like, If we have dirt on our face (we may not know it or feel it), the mirror reveals it clearly. The mirror can't clean us, and the law can't clean us of sin we can only be cleaned by water and soap or by Christ and His forgiveness. The Law does not clean us of Sin just reveals our need to be cleaned.
Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The Law is the righteous standard that we all fail to keep but Christ obeyed the law perfectly and by faith in Him we gain Christ's righteousness. I am not judge so i can't say who is or isn't saved, i just know Christ is our advocate and will represent those that believe.
1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Are you saying we're unrighteousness when we do not keep the Sabbath? I believe we are unrighteous when we transgress the law of God, when we sin, Adam became naked when he sinned. So the question should be, do you believe not keeping the Sabbath is a sin? To this i say for myself yes, for someone that doesn't know any different, God will judge their hearts.
As the verse below states, Sin is Sin, but if we don't know it's a sin (are ignorant), the priest (Christ) will make atonement for them.
Num 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The law is like a mirror, when we look into a mirror it tells us what we look like, If we have dirt on our face (we may not know it or feel it), the mirror reveals it clearly. The mirror can't clean us, and the law can't clean us of sin we can only be cleaned by water and soap or by Christ and His forgiveness. The Law does not clean us of Sin just reveals our need to be cleaned.
Why do you bring up this 'issue' of 'denominations' and want to 'defend' yours? Will it make a difference that yours is 'just' to be in the 'top ten' or higher than them?
In order to stop you from carrying on mistakenly 'boasting' about your 'denomination' or from one, please as 'an unworthy friend', let me remind you that in the book of Revelation the churches didn't go by any of these fancy names created of denomination today and witnessing themselves to others, though over the years these we have 'adopted' through 'men', 'counterfeits' in churches and given a 'position'.
The book of Revelation 'listed' churches by CHRIST went by only 'one' name, since being together as 'one' mentored from the beginning by the Apostles, and wherever they were, they went by the 'one' name, 'Church/Body of CHRIST'. If anyone wants to know about a certain church or even want to go there, an address and of that 'region' is mentioned.
Please allow us 'witnesses', to distinguish you as who you are in the Church/Body of CHRIST and rather not through men made 'denomination', for that would be 'continuing' in 'childishness', as still remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and in 'divisions'.
'Divisions' in the lack of Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE and also 'abiding' according to them, is the results to many 'denominations'. Even in a 'cooperate' meetings between them gathered together, sadly they still disagree with one another about matters.
Each of them are 'unable' to let their 'guard down', towards one another or even others 'truthfully' speak up for GOD. They just do not want to be 'thrown out' from the 'Church council'. 'Many of them have become men pleases, rather that GOD pleases'.
As it is written and said by CHRIST to HIS redeemed people that;
"I did not come to judge but even if I judge, I judge with just and fair."
Please for now, continue to attend the 'denomination' that you are in, for you are no better than others, but therefore 'witness' now and henceforth in 'discussion' in a 'renewed thinking' mannered person, for CHRIST, even to 'lay down' one's life for another, even who is in 'ignorance' and become GOD pleases and not men pleases instead, according to the 'AGAPE' acts of the New Covenant.
This is the 'outpouring' of the HOLY SPIRIT, whom we are 'grieving', in our remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and 'witnessing', only the elementary works of men, over the 'absent years' of 'abiding' in CHRIST's words/teachings, especially the New Covenant.
Israel did 'neglect' the same and they fell into 'abomination' against the LORD GOD of their 'Covenant'.
Is history repeating itself even in the Kingdom of GOD here on earth, or rather than improvements and excellence in the Church/Body of CHRIST and 'witnessing' with no 'hypocrisy'?
Everyone who may have a complaint against me because of my given duty in 'testifying', then go to CHRIST, and if anyone is therefore 'convicted', then go to CHRIST in all your 'weakness', boldly to the 'Throne of Grace', where a 'mediator' Great High Priest who is able to 'sympathize' on us, and where will also find 'Help'.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive you and help you and bless you all.
In order to stop you from carrying on mistakenly 'boasting' about your 'denomination' or from one, please as 'an unworthy friend', let me remind you that in the book of Revelation the churches didn't go by any of these fancy names created of denomination today and witnessing themselves to others, though over the years these we have 'adopted' through 'men', 'counterfeits' in churches and given a 'position'.
The book of Revelation 'listed' churches by CHRIST went by only 'one' name, since being together as 'one' mentored from the beginning by the Apostles, and wherever they were, they went by the 'one' name, 'Church/Body of CHRIST'. If anyone wants to know about a certain church or even want to go there, an address and of that 'region' is mentioned.
Please allow us 'witnesses', to distinguish you as who you are in the Church/Body of CHRIST and rather not through men made 'denomination', for that would be 'continuing' in 'childishness', as still remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and in 'divisions'.
'Divisions' in the lack of Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE and also 'abiding' according to them, is the results to many 'denominations'. Even in a 'cooperate' meetings between them gathered together, sadly they still disagree with one another about matters.
Each of them are 'unable' to let their 'guard down', towards one another or even others 'truthfully' speak up for GOD. They just do not want to be 'thrown out' from the 'Church council'. 'Many of them have become men pleases, rather that GOD pleases'.
As it is written and said by CHRIST to HIS redeemed people that;
"I did not come to judge but even if I judge, I judge with just and fair."
Please for now, continue to attend the 'denomination' that you are in, for you are no better than others, but therefore 'witness' now and henceforth in 'discussion' in a 'renewed thinking' mannered person, for CHRIST, even to 'lay down' one's life for another, even who is in 'ignorance' and become GOD pleases and not men pleases instead, according to the 'AGAPE' acts of the New Covenant.
This is the 'outpouring' of the HOLY SPIRIT, whom we are 'grieving', in our remain as 'babes in CHRIST' and 'witnessing', only the elementary works of men, over the 'absent years' of 'abiding' in CHRIST's words/teachings, especially the New Covenant.
Israel did 'neglect' the same and they fell into 'abomination' against the LORD GOD of their 'Covenant'.
Is history repeating itself even in the Kingdom of GOD here on earth, or rather than improvements and excellence in the Church/Body of CHRIST and 'witnessing' with no 'hypocrisy'?
Everyone who may have a complaint against me because of my given duty in 'testifying', then go to CHRIST, and if anyone is therefore 'convicted', then go to CHRIST in all your 'weakness', boldly to the 'Throne of Grace', where a 'mediator' Great High Priest who is able to 'sympathize' on us, and where will also find 'Help'.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive you and help you and bless you all.