Tired of the Big LIE

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
(Galatians 3:15)

What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
(Galatians 3:17-18)

But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
(Galatians 3:22)

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female,for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Galatians 3:26-29)

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i believe that Paul is patiently explaining to those in Galatia that they are already justified and brought near to God in Christ -- so that if they turn again and try to be justified by their careful lawfulness, they have turned away from grace, forsaking the work of the cross, making it of no effect.

remember, he is not chiding this church for walking in sin -- he is chiding them for putting themselves under Moses' law and covenant. the problem is that they were already born of the spirit, and thinking to perfect themselves through the flesh. the solution he suggests?

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Galatians 5:16-18)

please do inform me if i am not understanding this letter correctly

Darn and I was going to tell you the context of what Paul was saying in chapter 3 of Galatians.......

I will just say pray to God to keep you moving forward in your walk in righteousness and all understanding.........

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

psychomom said:

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I was referring to this scripture as it says if you abide in Him you will not sin, and this scripture is one of those that is widely misused by some. As the actual context behind this is that if you are in Christ you will not continue in willful habitual sins every single day. This is not referring to the backsliding Christian who commits sin here or there, and then when they do they confess that sin to the Lord to be cleansed and forgiven of it through Him.
If a person does not habitually sin every single day, and when they do sin they confess it to receive remission for it. If we keep that standard of repentance, confession, and turning away from them. Then when we stand before the Lord, God will see us as perfect because we will have a blank record.......

The best description I can give to others is take a peace of paper and write all the sins of yours you know on one side, confess forgiveness of those sins and then turn the peace of paper over and that is what God will see.....

Angela53510 · Feb 10, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

I've been reading this post for a few days now, and I have yet to see one person say they can sin if they want.

Please name some names for me.

The contrary, I see a lot of humble people, who admit their sin, then repent and turn towards Christ, because HE is the one who saves us. Not our works.

You are the one with a total misconception of salvation. You constantly bring up antinomianism, when no one here is advocating that.

"For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift— 9 not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

Notice how we are saved, not of our works, but by grace through faith. But even the good works we do, God created and prepared them for us.

Nothing is done in our own strength. Not justification, not sanctification and certainly not glorification.

Jeff_56 · Feb 10, 2015

why do people keep (wrongly ) equating obeying father with as if being under the law ?

being free of the consequences of the law, being free of ( sin | displeasing father) is neither under nor over the law, but free of the
price it demands for any sin.

traffic laws in the united states may be more difficult to obey every day for life, than honoring yahweh the creator. it's a choice.

a choice jesus gave the disciples.

a choice yahweh gave the hebrews.

a choice that includes obeying all the commands "that are not burdensome" (but still few follow jesus - it is written; why? it is written also).

few follow jesus. even though he is the only one through whom to receive eternal life . few follow jesus. it is written.

few love jesus. it is written. even in english it is clear - few love jesus. few love the father yahweh the creator. it is written.

even in english it is simple, true and clear.

and how to be in the few ? since yahweh shows mercy on who he pleases to show mercy, and he hardens whoever he pleases to harden,
ask yahweh. ask yahshua. no one else can open the way to eternal life. no one else is able.

this very well may not happen tonight, tomorrow, in six weeks, or even in six months. yahweh knows. it may take years.

but chose today. there might not be a tomorrow. chose today who to seek. who to serve.

oh, there will still be others arguing a lot, every day.

but if someone choses today, they may rest and trust in yahweh

-rest in yahweh > his promise to accomplish all that yahshua says he would accomplish regarding salvation.

no one else can do that, not for themselves, and not for anyone else. and he knows and does all perfectly. always. all the time.

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

psychomom said:

Can you be saved if Christ does not give you remission of sins ?

Can you be saved if you are not under Gods grace ?

Apostle Paul says they now have neither in Galatians 5:4, as Christ has become of no effect (no remission) and have fallen from grace (No longer under grace). Your answers to the two questions by what the bible says should be no, that a person can not get eternal life if they are not under grace and have not received remission.
Now this does not say they could repent of their ways and come back to the Lord, but Galatians nowhere says they did......

3Scoreand10 · Feb 10, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

I have said before that some of us have a different definition of what is sin than others.
I define the use of the word DARN a sin because it is a substitute for damn.
So by my definition, you sinned today,

psychomom · Feb 10, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

no, see, you're making it about US again.

we are forgiven, not based on what we do but because of what God in Christ has done!
i propose there are well meaning people who do all the things you mention who may not be saved.
if they haven't received the Righteousness that comes by faith, it's just moralism, man.

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

Angela53510 said:

This is true that it is not of our own strength, but the scripture you quoted is referring to works of the law and trying to earn salvation by works which I do not believe either one. However the bible also clearly states that if one's faith is not followed by righteous works then their faith is a dead faith, and they are not truly born again and living in the Spirit.

This is one of the biggest issues that causes strife between believers is exactly what the "law" and "works" in each scripture stands for. For some they are talking about the 613 mosaic laws, others speak of sinful ways, others refer to righteous works, and then others refer to the morals of God's.
God's moral laws we are to uphold, and righteous works we are called to walk in. The NT covenant we are under still has standards that we are to follow that the Holy Spirit will guide us in. And yes others have said they sin everyday and it is acceptable, and eternally grateful made the statement of every second, every minute, and everyday. And state we should feel that we deserve to be condemned that often. I replied back that is a sad way to live, and to place his full trust in the Lord if this is how he feels. Because in putting one's full trust in the Lord they should have peace in the Spirit, and not fear.

seed_time_harvest · Feb 10, 2015

Is unconditional eternal security the same as OSAS?

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

psychomom said:

So are you saying we don't need to repent, get baptized, and confess future sins to receive remission ?

If that is what you are saying I can show you a number of scriptures from the bible that would disagree with you if that is how you feel. The Lord makes it very clear that we will not inherit eternal life, if we do not receive remission of sins (Luke 13:3), if we do not forgive others, and if we do not live out God's will in our life. People want to constantly put eternal life as a physical possession of ours right now, when it is only a mental assurance based on our continuation of faith in Him. Pisteuo and echo, is words that all need to study and read their full meanings.....
I gave earlier in this thread a few scriptures that show eternal life/salvation comes at the end of our faith, not up front;

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

Then that would mean you just sinned twice since you said both words, right ?.............LOL

posthuman · Feb 10, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

i think so. OSAS = "once saved, always saved"

ugh, labels

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

I can not answer your question because I do not believe in either, as remission of sins is based on our faith in Him to repent, get baptized, and confess future sins to receive remission of sins. Then the Lord even says if you do not forgive others He will not forgive you, which places another condition. Those who say they can get eternal life without receiving remission of sins is in a very bad false doctrine........
Then the Galatians once walked in the Lords gospel, and then turned away by deception to another false gospel. Paul clearly says Christ has become of no effect to them, and they have fallen from grace. No remission=no salvation, no grace=no salvation......

posthuman · Feb 10, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

thanks!
i'll do the same for you!

♪ hey now, gonna pray for you.. ♫
(amy grant voice)

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

posthuman said:

Amy Grant is wonderful !!!

posthuman · Feb 10, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

haha my imitation of her voice is not!!
but i do love this song, no matter how poorly i might sing it, it remains wonderful

~~~ musical intermission ~~~

[video=youtube_share;stOJDZR-gB0]http://youtu.be/stOJDZR-gB0[/video]

Jeff_56 · Feb 10, 2015

so , from what just transpired the last few posts, Jesus "double" sinned ?

Matthew 23:15 (MSG)

15 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You go halfway around the world to make a convert, but once you get him you make him into a replica of yourselves, double-damned."

Matthew 23:15 (KJ21)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:15 (ASV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:15 (AMP)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you travel over sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes one [a proselyte], you make him doubly as much a child of hell (Gehenna) as you are.

Matthew 23:15 (CEB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“How terrible it will be for you, legal experts and Pharisees! Hypocrites! You travel over sea and land to make one convert. But when they’ve been converted, they become twice the child of hell you are.

Matthew 23:15 (CJB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! You go about over land and sea to make one proselyte; and when you succeed, you make him twice as fit for Gei-Hinnom as you are!

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

posthuman said:

Hey I don't have the best voice ever either, and I am not even a great speaker or speller also.
But we are in great company as Moses and Paul both stated that they neither one was all that great at speaking role either....

kennethcadwell · Feb 10, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

so , from what just transpired the last few posts, Jesus "double" sinned ?

Matthew 23:15 (MSG)

15 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You go halfway around the world to make a convert, but once you get him you make him into a replica of yourselves, double-damned."

Matthew 23:15 (KJ21)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:15 (ASV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:15 (AMP)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you travel over sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes one [a proselyte], you make him doubly as much a child of hell (Gehenna) as you are.

Matthew 23:15 (CEB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“How terrible it will be for you, legal experts and Pharisees! Hypocrites! You travel over sea and land to make one convert. But when they’ve been converted, they become twice the child of hell you are.

Matthew 23:15 (CJB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe to you hypocritical Torah-teachers and P’rushim! You go about over land and sea to make one proselyte; and when you succeed, you make him twice as fit for Gei-Hinnom as you are!

We were joking with each other, and not being serious just to ease the tension that was going on previously in this thread. Because some get a little hot under the collar when others don't agree with them, instead of holding to patience....

Jeff_56 · Feb 10, 2015

so, is this post a joke ?
and accordingly he doesn't think saying DARN is not a sin ? (I don't think even stronger words are sin, when spoken as ABBA gives forth utterance.(as in all things- let your yes be yes, and your no be no; and let every word be as ABBA gives utterance, and let ever act and deed be doing what ABBA does.... yes, every word, every act, even every thought, Yahweh is willing and accomplishes this as His Word says, in those who trust Him to accompllish this. so rare, almost 'unbelievable', eh? keep seeking Yahweh Himself ! ).

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