Tired of the Big LIE
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Correct a true believer will have those things in their walk - never denied anything concerning our walk BUT that does not get nor maintain our salvation. 
And no one has denied that our walk should "imitate" Christ.
What no one has addressed is that all men are born in the flesh and that flesh is inherited from Adam - we all have a sinful nature in the flesh. Then we are born again of God's Spirit - we are partakers of the divine nature. These two natures are directly in opposition to each other. The flesh [the sinful nature] lusteth against the spirit and the spirit [divine nature] lusteth against the flesh. These two natures are constantly battling it out and it is why we are told to renew our minds, to cast down imaginations, to mortify the deeds of the flesh. That is why we are to PUT on the new man [the divine nature]. It is not always easy because our natural self, our flesh's impulse is to sin - that is the nature of man. We are told to run the race, to fight the fight, all phrases related to athletes who have to work daily to keep their bodies in shape to "win the prize" = our walk. The prize is not eternal life - that is promised to us through faith but it is the "little extras" - I believe there are 5 crowns spoken of - that we will receive for our works that are not burned up but remain . . .
1 Cor. 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. if any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon he shall receive a reward. if any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
And no one has denied that our walk should "imitate" Christ.What no one has addressed is that all men are born in the flesh and that flesh is inherited from Adam - we all have a sinful nature in the flesh. Then we are born again of God's Spirit - we are partakers of the divine nature. These two natures are directly in opposition to each other. The flesh [the sinful nature] lusteth against the spirit and the spirit [divine nature] lusteth against the flesh. These two natures are constantly battling it out and it is why we are told to renew our minds, to cast down imaginations, to mortify the deeds of the flesh. That is why we are to PUT on the new man [the divine nature]. It is not always easy because our natural self, our flesh's impulse is to sin - that is the nature of man. We are told to run the race, to fight the fight, all phrases related to athletes who have to work daily to keep their bodies in shape to "win the prize" = our walk. The prize is not eternal life - that is promised to us through faith but it is the "little extras" - I believe there are 5 crowns spoken of - that we will receive for our works that are not burned up but remain . . .
1 Cor. 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. if any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon he shall receive a reward. if any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Well I guess you need to go read 1 John again because in chapters 2-4 he says if you do not have those things, then you do not have the Lord. If you do not have the Lord, you do not have salvation................
I believe we all know the Bible and I also believe that we believe the Bible.
What I don't agree with is that these works must be done to gain salvation. I know and agree that once born again a person SHOULD walk after the Spirit and he will not fulfill the lust of the flesh . . . and I know I am in a race, I am fighting the fight, I am putting on the whole armour of God, I should be renewing my mind daily - these things do not keep me from sinning ALL the time. What is amazing to me is that there are only a few that admit it . . . only a few that admit it's hard . . . only a few that understand that just because we have been born again of the Spirit - our flesh is the same ole nasty "old man nature" - Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh. And sometimes he pops up out of nowhere before we know it! . . . catches us off guard.
What I don't agree with is that these works must be done to gain salvation. I know and agree that once born again a person SHOULD walk after the Spirit and he will not fulfill the lust of the flesh . . . and I know I am in a race, I am fighting the fight, I am putting on the whole armour of God, I should be renewing my mind daily - these things do not keep me from sinning ALL the time. What is amazing to me is that there are only a few that admit it . . . only a few that admit it's hard . . . only a few that understand that just because we have been born again of the Spirit - our flesh is the same ole nasty "old man nature" - Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh. And sometimes he pops up out of nowhere before we know it! . . . catches us off guard.
T
Again the debate is muddied by belief of what SIN is....and what you think the SIN cycle is...I have shown you exhaustively the SIN cycle....It is found in Genesis 3, James 1.13-15, 2 John 2.14-17 and you can read 2 eter 1.1-11 to gain an understanding into partaking of the divine nature and if you do the things listed in that passage you shall not fall[SIN]
eter 1.1-11 to gain an understanding into partaking of the divine nature and if you do the things listed in that passage you shall not fall[SIN]
What do you do - read a post then look to find something that contradicts it because you are very good at setting up contradictions with your understanding of the word.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done, whether good or bad. . . .Then 1 Cor. 3:13-15 says that "if any man's work shall be burned - which would be the works "done in the body that were bad" - HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED (salvation) then that is what God means. You also want to contradict Romans 8:38,39 where death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, not things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NOTHING shall be able to separate us from the love of God . . . .
I will seriously read 1 John 2 - 4. I need to look into it to clear up any contradictions. Thanks.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done, whether good or bad. . . .Then 1 Cor. 3:13-15 says that "if any man's work shall be burned - which would be the works "done in the body that were bad" - HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED (salvation) then that is what God means. You also want to contradict Romans 8:38,39 where death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, not things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NOTHING shall be able to separate us from the love of God . . . .
I will seriously read 1 John 2 - 4. I need to look into it to clear up any contradictions. Thanks.
K
What do you do - read a post then look to find something that contradicts it because you are very good at setting up contradictions with your understanding of the word.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done, whether good or bad. . . .Then 1 Cor. 3:13-15 says that "if any man's work shall be burned - which would be the works "done in the body that were bad" - HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED (salvation) then that is what God means. You also want to contradict Romans 8:38,39 where death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, not things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NOTHING shall be able to separate us from the love of God . . . .
I will seriously read 1 John 2 - 4. I need to look into it to clear up any contradictions. Thanks.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done, whether good or bad. . . .Then 1 Cor. 3:13-15 says that "if any man's work shall be burned - which would be the works "done in the body that were bad" - HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED (salvation) then that is what God means. You also want to contradict Romans 8:38,39 where death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, not things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NOTHING shall be able to separate us from the love of God . . . .
I will seriously read 1 John 2 - 4. I need to look into it to clear up any contradictions. Thanks.
No what I do is use the words of the bible to rebuke those who misuse or only use half of what the bible says.
You said love, forgiveness, and mercy is not a requirement for salvation.
The bible clearly says that if you do not have them in your life you do not have the Lord, and if you do not have the Lord you do not have salvation. You and Dconn who believes what you do since he always gives you likes for what you say can walk in your mere belief and misuse of how works is applied.
I will never leave out and go against what scripture says. You say not a requirement, Apostle John says it is. I will believe John !!!
K
Seems like we are both in debates about 1 John, you are debating with another about 1:5-10 and I am debating with two others on 1 John chapters 2-4 where John clearly lists things that if they are not in your life you don't have the Lord. I am trying to show them how if you don't have the Lord, then you don't have salvation. It is amazing they say love and forgiveness are requirements in a born again believer......