Tired of the Big LIE
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To the OP, yes I'm so tired of the big lie and fighting it, but I must keep going. Even the church has accepted the lie and rejected the cross. What can I do. They are filling stadiums with self help and psychology and pushing the one world religion. It's not coming, it's already here. No need for Jesus nor the cross you can fix yourself and hey these Musilms aren't so bad the worship the same God we do. Not.
I agree, my brother. In fact, here are some more verses in Scripture that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.
#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.
#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).
#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).
#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.
#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.
#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.
#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).
#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).
#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.
#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.
I don't believe in self help, the one world relgion, and or Works Salvationism. The Bible is about Jesus and not the cross. The cross was merely the form of execution Jesus used to pay the price for all of mankind's sins so as to make available the free gift. Some have not accepted Christ's free gift because they do not have Godly sorrow as Paul talked about in 2 Corinthians. This is a Godly sorrow that leads a person to repentance unto salvation. For how can you be forgiven of sin if you are not sorry for sin? Repentance (with Godly sorrow) and accepting Christ is the key. It's not works or self help.
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Yes and the bible says that if we continue in His goodness the promise of eternal life is ours.
And the Lord says this;
Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Then we have a scripture that combines these two scriptures together to confirm what the Lord said;
Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
Jesus said be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. All Scripture is profitable for training in righteousness to lead you to that point and it is not to lead you into unrighteousness. There is no Condemnation to those who walk after the Spirit in Christ Jesus. Walking after the Spirit is a selfless act and not a selfish act. Such a reality is the basics of the faith for every true believer.
K
I have constantly shown people what the Lord in His own words says what a believer in Him is like by giving Luke 6:46-49.
And even after giving that scripture they still say I am being contradicting, and teaching false, when it is they that are trying to leave off the doing part as not a requirement. Like it says in that scripture by Jesus, He says come to Him, hear what He says, then do it. They want to come and hear and get the salvation without doing, but James says a hearer only is deceived !!! (James 1:22)
I believe the doing on person's part to be saved is in making the decision to truly surrender to the Lord and truly feel Godly sorrow over their sin. That is where the transformation comes in whereby good works will flow within their life proving their faith to be true. They will be changed and different because their attitude towards God and sin has changed (Whereby they would make a commitment to accept Him). I believe James was trying to let certain believers (Who had a wrong theology about grace) to feel guilty over their sin. In other words, James was trying to get them to repent and be renewed by the Spirit so that they could allow God to do the good work within them.
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Yes as James says right before that in verse 21 to put off all filthiness of the flesh (sins).
Then he goes into be doers of the word and not hearers only, and from there he compares a hearer only as a person who looked at themselves in a mirror then walked away and forgot what type of person they were. In other words he is saying they confronted their sins, but instead of feeling true sorrow for them they turned around and went and continued to do them still. They did not accept the Godly sorrow to turn them from their ways....
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Thats not good news (gospel) thats law.
we could never be obedient enough to earn the right to be called children of God.
John tells us how to become children of God. He gave us the right (he did it) even to those who believe in him.
Yes a christian should obey God, but to say obedience is required, is to mock the law of Christ, and mock the death of Christ, why do we want to crucify Christ over and over?
we could never be obedient enough to earn the right to be called children of God.
John tells us how to become children of God. He gave us the right (he did it) even to those who believe in him.
Yes a christian should obey God, but to say obedience is required, is to mock the law of Christ, and mock the death of Christ, why do we want to crucify Christ over and over?
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typical of a legalist. you highlighted the wrong parts.
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, [SUP]2 [/SUP]by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain
many people have a mental agreement (belief) but have no faith at all.
we we are saved by faith, not mental agreement, that would be easy believism.
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, [SUP]2 [/SUP]by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain
many people have a mental agreement (belief) but have no faith at all.
we we are saved by faith, not mental agreement, that would be easy believism.