Tired of the Big LIE
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It might be good to differentiate between wilful, deliberate sin we commit that we consciously do, and sin we all commit unintentionally simply by not being able to live according to the perfect demands of God's good and Holy laws. We are all works in progress all our lives. The bible says we are BEING led into holiness, if we are BEING led into holiness, we are not perfect in the flesh, we do commit sin
R
I am not asking you to leave, how ever as a saying goes, if the kitchen is getting to hot, get out and get some fresh air. These CC threads can get in a heat sometimes, People should just walk out and leave it die down a little. thats the point I was making. But people just like to argue, or point score or point the finger and come back with more arguments, which by then the OP's thread has gone derailed into something else. So no I was not telling you to get out. Just for people to think, if something is starting to get out of hand, dont stay in to fuel it, walk away, come back to see if it has died down a little. if not then just leave it and let them argue amongst themeselves.
I believe the BIG difference is that I believe that when you are born again a NEW spirit is actually born/created in you and that Spirit is incorruptible - that is what makes us a child of God, a member in the body of Christ. I believe that God used the word BORN for a specific reason - so that we could have full assurance of salvation.
and you continue to harp on and on about it.. if he bothers you that much, put him on ignore.. better yet, take a breather and relax, because this is the bible forum, and it's rare for people to agree on anything in here.. lol.. now chillax, before I turn you into the monkey you spoke of earlier on a different thread..
K
No my trust is on Him and entirely on Him on every faction of my life.
For He is the one that said through Him He will bring us to salvation, and He also is the one that said He will lead us away from unrighteousness (uncleanness/sins) and to righteousness. I did not miss what Paul was saying as Paul said that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide us in all things in life. Not just for eternal life, but to be at ease and do right now.
1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
For He is the one that said through Him He will bring us to salvation, and He also is the one that said He will lead us away from unrighteousness (uncleanness/sins) and to righteousness. I did not miss what Paul was saying as Paul said that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide us in all things in life. Not just for eternal life, but to be at ease and do right now.
1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
K
Yes that is true we will have full assurance of salvation.
This issue we differ on though I think is that the bible says that a born again believers actions will reflect the working of the Holy Spirit that is in them. Nowhere in the bible does it say when we are born again in the Spirit will we continue to live the same sinful lifestyle. We are a new creation called to walk a new way in righteousness, and if a person is still walking the same as their old sinful nature with no changes or attempt of changes then it says they are not truly born again of the Spirit. Because the Spirit will not lead us in uncleanness or disobedience.
S
and you continue to harp on and on about it.. if he bothers you that much, put him on ignore.. better yet, take a breather and relax, because this is the bible forum, and it's rare for people to agree on anything in here.. lol.. now chillax, before I turn you into the monkey you spoke of earlier on a different thread..
k. I'll just let dc beat him up some more.
Kenneth...you believe you can lose salvation...I do not! Salvation is the ROOT and if the root is corrupt the whole TREE IS CORRUPT........
The bible teaches ETERNAL LIFE (not temporary) by FAITH....
The bible teaches EVERLASTING life (not temporary) by FAITH....
The bible teaches that we presently POSSESS this ETERNAL LIFE because it is the SPIRIT that has been born of GOD
John said theses things were written so that we may know that WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE....NOT will GET ETERNAL LIFE
ETERNAL does not mean temporal....period!
The bible teaches ETERNAL LIFE (not temporary) by FAITH....
The bible teaches EVERLASTING life (not temporary) by FAITH....
The bible teaches that we presently POSSESS this ETERNAL LIFE because it is the SPIRIT that has been born of GOD
John said theses things were written so that we may know that WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE....NOT will GET ETERNAL LIFE
ETERNAL does not mean temporal....period!
K
And the reason I believe that is because of Galatians that Paul wrote, and what Paul wrote in 1 Timothy also that confirms what the Lord said also.
For like it says in Galatians Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace.
Two things that the bible says are needed for salvation; remission of sins from Christ and being under grace. If you don't have His remission and are not under grace, that clearly means no salvation. Then in 1 Timothy 4 Paul states the Holy Spirit by saying many will fall away from the faith do to deception, and the last scripture in that chapter 4 says they are not saved for falling to deception. Lord Jesus says the same about many falling away in the last days......
S
A friend of mine brought his daughter to am Easter ehg hunt that my church puts on. They have drawings and give away cool things to the kids. That particular year his daughter one a bike....pretty nice one too. Bless her heart when she decided to give it to this other girl whose father was gone, single mother....pretty rough situation. So my friend posts his daughters really cool decision on Facebook. Low and behold, a guy that we both know, who is a works based believer and in my honest opinion has mental health issues who happens to hate my church uses my friends beautiful post about his daughter who he was obviously proud of....to spew his hatred of my church and our saved by grace doctrine.
so this is a big reason why when, somone just argues for the sake of arguing against the wonderful grace displayed on the cross....I push back.
so this is a big reason why when, somone just argues for the sake of arguing against the wonderful grace displayed on the cross....I push back.
K
Yes that we may know, as in mental assurance of it by what he said in the following chapters 2-4. As he breaks it down and says by saying how you know you have that assurance is if you have these things in your life. I am not going to post them all but it stems from love, forgiveness, and obedience in what he says.
What you fail to understand is the context which that is made in (Galatians) they were teaching that a man is justified by faith and works.....they had begun in the SPIRIT and are made complete by the works of the flesh (LAW) (CIRCUMCISION)
PAUL tells them that if the RESORT BACK TO THE LAW that CHRIST is become of no affect to THEM...WHAT YOU MISS and fail to see is that it is either FAITH or it is WORKS and if you say WORKS then the work that CHRIST has done is of NO AFFECT to YOU....That is what you fail to understand and miss........!
Faith plus works for justification = heretical false gospel with NO POWER...CHRIST has become of NO AFFECT!
PAUL tells them that if the RESORT BACK TO THE LAW that CHRIST is become of no affect to THEM...WHAT YOU MISS and fail to see is that it is either FAITH or it is WORKS and if you say WORKS then the work that CHRIST has done is of NO AFFECT to YOU....That is what you fail to understand and miss........!
Faith plus works for justification = heretical false gospel with NO POWER...CHRIST has become of NO AFFECT!
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