Tired of the Big LIE
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K
Hey Kenneth . . . how can one have confidence in something if it is just "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it.....".
I just had to say it
I should have renewed my mind . . .
I just had to say it
I should have renewed my mind . . . The bible states clearly that if you are walking in love, and forgiveness then you have no need to worry about your salvation. You will have confidence in Him that you will receive it.
R
I understand, but how do we call out falts when we lack understandings of the scripture? Yes we are to correct our brothers in love. but how do you correct people, when they beleive what they believe is to be correct according to there understanding. I think pray is the issue here. Look at the threads, how many do you think starts with a small prayer? People just post a thread or topic in hope they will agree by what they had said. But you and I know fair well it don't work like that, because of the many beleifs in they own religion, there own faiths and beleifs.
And how many people actually correct people in love on CC? they point score, you are wrong they are right, and that kind of attitude fuels the fire my friend. Its good to discuss and share peoples thoughts on topics, even if it is a repeat, but people don't see it that way. Its good to test what people say by the scriptures whats written in the bible. But then again, its down to how people understand these things that are raised. But little things like a small disagreement, show a huge problem. So I think Prayer is the issue here, for God's word to go out to be discussed in love and in a good mannor.
And how many people actually correct people in love on CC? they point score, you are wrong they are right, and that kind of attitude fuels the fire my friend. Its good to discuss and share peoples thoughts on topics, even if it is a repeat, but people don't see it that way. Its good to test what people say by the scriptures whats written in the bible. But then again, its down to how people understand these things that are raised. But little things like a small disagreement, show a huge problem. So I think Prayer is the issue here, for God's word to go out to be discussed in love and in a good mannor.
K
I know its like talking to a brick wall with some, because even though you can show them clear cut scripture that shows belittling and putting others down is not proper for a believer. And then show them clear scriptures that show we are to call them out on it. They still reject it and act like you are still in the wrong. This is one of the biggest issues in this world today, and that is people are brought up in a misplace blaming nature. It is easier for them to blame others for what they do, then to actually admit their own wrongs.............
S
This is how he comes across to me:
1) has a compulsive desire to control every situation concerning the gospel
2)Thinks others opinions are worthless
3) views self as unique and better than others
4) Refuses to acknowledge harm to others
5) Focuses only on personal "good deeds"
6) Sees self as a victim
7) Unreceptive to other alternatives
8) Not self critical
9) Lies by omission
10) unwilling to do anything disagreeable
11) Views Jesus as his alone to possess unless you conform to his dogma
These are just a few....but this is how Kenneth rubs me and is why he is on my ignore list.
R
Exactly, excuse the phrase, but thats the way the cookie crumbles. you can see in plain sight, even if you are blind, you can still see how much the devil has corrupted the world with lies, confusion, and twisted truths. Like I said, its best that we just let them be, after telling them or correcting them in love, and if they still dont listen, best thing is to leave God deal with them. Pray for them, and pray that God will show them wisdom and understanding, and let God show them the errors of there own ways. Thats all we can do brother.
More fluff and I see you carry baggage form the UNIVERSAL (catholic) church.....a sure lack of understanding....
John writes unto the 7 CHURCHES (plural) and the bible speaks of CHURCHES (individual) bodies of Christ...the only singularity of believers that are identified as a singular CHURCH is the body that is in heaven.....Universal church is a heresy propagated by the Catholic (UNIVERSAL) church and is foreign to scripture......!
R
No offence Sirk brother. I don't need to know what rubs you the wrong way and who is in your ignore list or how people you see. The fact it you should speak to them in person, and share your thoughts, and how you feel about them, and what they say: as you put it rubs you the wrong way. and discuss the matter with them not in the open.
But a question for you Sirk? what if, the very person you are ignoring, is right? forget about everything else for a moment, just think about it, what if that person is genuinely right? we are all at different levels in our journey to God. and thats the problem, because you could be at a point in time, you actually fully understand something, and the person you talking to is not even close as of yet, so they will find things hard to accept, or agree or beleif in, because they have not yet come to that same point as you, so there will be conflictions, and disagreements, and fight and arguments. and ignore list.
But a question for you Sirk? what if, the very person you are ignoring, is right? forget about everything else for a moment, just think about it, what if that person is genuinely right? we are all at different levels in our journey to God. and thats the problem, because you could be at a point in time, you actually fully understand something, and the person you talking to is not even close as of yet, so they will find things hard to accept, or agree or beleif in, because they have not yet come to that same point as you, so there will be conflictions, and disagreements, and fight and arguments. and ignore list.
K
John did write to the 7 churches, but that does not mean the true Church is the buildings.
Many people today understand the church as a building. This is not a biblical understanding of the church. The word “church” comes from the Greek wordekklesiawhich is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building.Romans 16:5says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.
The church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head.Ephesians 1:22-23says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” The body of Christ is made up of all believers in Jesus Christ from the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2) until Christ’s return. The body of Christ is comprised of two aspects:
1) The universal church consists of all those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13). This verse says that anyone who believes is part of the body of Christ and has received the Spirit of Christ as evidence. The universal church of God is all those who have received salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
2) The local church is described inGalatians 1:1-2: “Paul, an apostle … and all the brothers with me, to the churches in Galatia.” Here we see that in the province of Galatia there were many churches—what we call local churches. A Baptist church, Lutheran church, Catholic church, etc., is not the church, as in the universal church—but rather is a local church, a local body of believers. The universal church is comprised of those who belong to Christ and who have trusted Him for salvation. These members of the universal church should seek fellowship and edification in a local church.
In summary, the church is not a building or a denomination. According to the Bible, the church is the body of Christ—all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (John 3:16;1 Corinthians 12:13). Local churches are gatherings of members of the universal church. The local church is where the members of the universal church can fully apply the “body” principles of 1 Corinthians chapter 12: encouraging, teaching, and building one another up in the knowledge and grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Read more:What is the church?
S
it isnt about right or wrong for me. There are some points he is right on....but he ain't all right like he claims to be. Know it all land is a lonely place. He's got some serious hang ups in his thought processes and they all are conducive to broken relationship. Probably why he thinks he has to work for Jesus' favor. My gut tells me he is still trying to plead someone who is unpleaseable. Reread those....everyone can benefit from doing the opposite of those thinking errors. If you like I coukd list for you the alternatives that bring peace and more personal holiness.
K
Yes it kind of goes along with a saying I heard one time that goes something like this;
There was a man sitting on the roof of his house because of a flood, he prayed to God to come and save him.
A man in a row boat came by and said get in and I will row you to safety, the man said no thanks God will save me.
The waters rose more and a coast guard boat came by and said get in, he told them no thanks God will save me.
The waters rose even more and a helicopter came by and told him to get in, he said no thanks God will save me.
The waters rose even higher and carried the man off and he drowned.
When he stood before God he asked why did you not save me?
The Lord our God answered him saying I sent you two boats and a helicopter and you refused the help, and this is why you drowned.
The context of the passage is that God works through us toward others, so we are not to neglect the warnings and help from others as that will most likely be God giving you the help you need in your situations......
K
I corrected your statement to reflect the truth.....
Now changing my words openly...............lol
I made the statement of showing scripture that if a person is walking improperly that are not a member of the true Church. You made the statement we are not in church but in a forum.
I came back with the Church is not a building with a name on that, man did that change.
If you are part of the body of believers, the true Church, it makes it clear that we can not walk in uncleanness.
R
Lets not be war with us all. its clear you have your own opinions, and thoughts and beliefs. and its great that we are all discussing about our Good God that we beleive in. But we can do this in a less point scoring manor attitude. because thats were the enemy will creep in, and laugh at us, and stir up even more trouble. God wants us to talk about him, and learn about him and discuss about him, but not in a fight, not in an argumentive way. Share scriptures, and share how you think is understood by yourself, and let others share how that scripture is understood by them, and not point the finger and say oh you are wrong, what you thought is the right way.
We need to discuss these matters, but learn to understand that God is listening to all of this. Can I ask? how many threads invite God in the middle of these discussions? So that if we are going to be corrected, it will be corrected the right way and not mans. Lets all chill out a bit. and lets have a good discussion without all this negative attitudes. If not? then, part your way from this thread and join a different discussion. We people think we know everything when we partly understand something.
We need to discuss these matters, but learn to understand that God is listening to all of this. Can I ask? how many threads invite God in the middle of these discussions? So that if we are going to be corrected, it will be corrected the right way and not mans. Lets all chill out a bit. and lets have a good discussion without all this negative attitudes. If not? then, part your way from this thread and join a different discussion. We people think we know everything when we partly understand something.
K
But like Richie_2uk said I seem to be in error by what you say.
You have taught one way, and I have been taught another way. I might be wrong on some things, but so are you.
I do not believe however that I am far off like you make it to be, because I do not believe the Holy Spirit will lead me astray. And He has brought forward to me plenty of documents, writings, and sources to understand in studying what is being said. I still have areas I am working on still, but the usage of salvation I don't believe I am off. Because I still believe I will receive it by the Lord, I just don't believe like you do that one it is an actual physical possession of ours right now. I believe it is to have in hand as a mental possession, assurance of it. Because that is the definition of echo. I also do not believe like you that we still sin every single day and can not go even one day without sin.
This does not make me a heretic, teaching falsely, or being self righteous. It means I base my trust in the Lord to do exactly what He said He would do in our lives....