Tired of the Big LIE

kennethcadwell · Feb 12, 2015

The context in Galatians is about justification by Christ or justification by the law, and he does not say if they go back.
He speaks of as they already went back to being justified by the law, and he even calls them bewitched and foolish for going back to those ways. Then he calls them out and says they are not obeying the truth. They would be still obeying the truth if they had not yet gone back to the law yet. He is warning them to repent and turn back to the truth, not warning them before they turn to the law. All scripture in Galatians points to they already have turned away from Christ to the law, not that they are thinking about it.

dcontroversal · Feb 12, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

The context in Galatians is about justification by Christ or justification by the law, and he does not say if they go back.
He speaks of as they already went back to being justified by the law, and he even calls them bewitched and foolish for going back to those ways. Then he calls them out and says they are not obeying the truth. They would be still obeying the truth if they had not yet gone back to the law yet. He is warning them to repent and turn back to the truth, not warning them before they turn to the law. All scripture in Galatians points to they already have turned away from Christ to the law, not that they are thinking about it.

I'm done with you....good luck with your works for salvation and your continued rejection of truth......!

kennethcadwell · Feb 12, 2015

dcontroversal said:

I do not agree with your version of what you say is truth, because other scriptures which I posted many of just the other day would contradict this one you gave from 1 John. And like I said chapters 2 through 4 John starts breaking it down and says if you say you love the Lord but hate your brother the truth is not in you (no salvation), if you keep His commands then you are His (salvation), and so on...... As John gives what will be in a believers life to know that they have the Lord in their life unto salvation.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:19
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1 Peter 1:4-5
to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

2 Peter 1:10-11
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Sirk · Feb 12, 2015

Utah said:

well I wasn't gonna say anything.....

eternally-gratefull · Feb 12, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

No, they do not say it.

BECAUSE IT WOULD CONTRADICT ITSELF!

Your placing a CONDITION on salvation. meaning your earning a reward. not receiving a gift. Thus your interpretation is faulty, and in error.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 12, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

As long as we do this.

This is placing a work,, requirement of something WE MUST do to be saved.

ie. your gospel is a gospel of works, not grace, which is freely given, a gift, based on Gods mercy.

And you say you do not teach works? you just did.

royalscot · Feb 12, 2015

dcontroversal said:

it not that we never sinned, the fact remains. how can you call anyone up about sin.

now that your in god there is no condemnation. then when did we get the authority to bring condemnation on anyone.

something like, what jesus said, take BQ cabinet out your own eye, before you take the chest of drawers out of others eyes. lol

The_highwayman · Feb 12, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Again, it goes to how you define SIN, show me in the Bible where it says thoughts and actions are SIN and not a CHOICE....

blue_ladybug · Feb 12, 2015

The_highwayman said:

one example i can think of is where the bible says if you even THINK about committing murder, God considers you as actually having done the action.. same with thinking about committing adultery..you have committed it in your heart just by thinking about it.. jmo..

Sirk · Feb 12, 2015

The_highwayman said:

Thats really easy...."do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit....but in humility, consider others better than you consider yourself."

the first part of it is impossible for man to do. I've asked this before....for someone to give me just one example of a way they are completely selfless and altruistic. So far....nothing. If you can't do this...you are sinning when you help an old lady cross the street.

The second part of it "consider others better than you consider yourselves" is really a command to just shut up and thoughtfully consider another persons opinions, point of view, experiences etc... because you've already considered your own and know them well.

So.....this one verse is an example of your imperfection, your fleshly selfish to the core nature ...and no matter how many old ladies you help to cross the street, If you don't know jesus and accept his free gift of grace, you are guilty of breaking ALL of the law and if you die in this state, you will spend eternity apart from Jesus.

The_highwayman · Feb 12, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

Chapter and verse please.....

Just because you think something does not make it a sin, until your lust births the sin, by you actually doing it....

James 1/13-15 says:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong,[SUP][a][/SUP] and he never tempts anyone else. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. [SUP]15 [/SUP]These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.

thought is not sin, it is what you do with the thought....

2 Cor 10.3-5-

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

If you bring the thought into captivity and do not act on it you have not sinned...

SIN only comes forth when you act on thought or give into the desire of your flesh....

This is why SIN is a choice and not action or thought...

Now show me chapter and verse where it says in black and white or red that thought is a SIN....

You cannot do it, because it would refute 2/3 to all of the new testament...

The_highwayman · Feb 12, 2015

Sirk said:

I am not event talking about works based salvation, I am talking about the new creation reality and being a partaker of the divine nature after being saved by grace through faith in what Jesus did on the Cross and accepting that as enough and not adding any of my self righteous works to what Jesus did, because I was made the righteousness of God in Christ, the minute Jesus died....

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Feb 12, 2015

Brother Kenneth those of us that have received the free gift and bare witness that the Holy Spirit has dawned and risen in our hearts would support a lie if we said it came through works done by us. Grace is the free gift (unmerited favor) of God for faith in Jesus Christ, it can't be earned.

Ephesians 2:5-9
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

secularhermit · Feb 12, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

I will preach on that cat that wants to "end" me:

Mat 15:18 But the things which come out of the mouth come from the heart; and they make a man unclean.

Mar 7:15 There is nothing outside the man which, going into him, is able to make him unclean: but the things which come out of the man are those which make the man unclean.

Jer 9:8 His tongue is an arrow causing death; the words of his mouth are deceit: he says words of peace to his neighbour, but in his heart he is waiting secretly for him.

Luk 6:45 The good man, out of the good store of his heart, gives good things; and the evil man, out of his evil store, gives evil: for out of the full store of the heart come the words of the mouth.

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone whose eyes are turned on a woman with desire (lust) has had connection with her in his heart.

Mat 5:28 But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind.

More than that is extrapolated teaching, like this:

Jas 1:15 Your desire grows inside you until it results in sin. Then the sin grows bigger and bigger and finally ends in death.

peacefulbeliever · Feb 12, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Yes that is true we will have full assurance of salvation. . . But you don't ACTUALLY BELIEVE that or you wouldn't be saying we could lose our salvation. And since you didn't address being BORN of the Spirit - I want to again ask you again if you believe the Spirit is actually BORN in you?

You seem to think that once someone is born again that EVERYTHING has changed - someone's thinking, someone's bad habits, etc. That is not the case you still have the mind of the flesh - In fact you have two natures now - flesh vs. Spirit - old man vs. new man . . . these are contrary the one to the other. Not to make light of the matter but I know you have seen those cartoons with the devil [old man nature/flesh] sitting on one shoulder saying - Yea, do it! then the angel [new man nature/Spirit] is on the other shoulder saying - No it's best if you don't - sometimes, not as much lately, but I have had that go on so much in my mind that I have to just say SHUT UP! Sometimes now I have "You are a child of God" [angel/new man nature/Spirit] "What makes you think you're so good" [the accuser or just my old man nature/flesh] - If we follow the flesh, we are out of fellowship [darkness], if we follow the Spirit, we remain in fellowship [in the light] but regardless of the result of that certain situation we are in - whether we choose to walk by the Spirit, or we walk by the flesh - we remain saved, we still belong to God.

Sirk · Feb 12, 2015

The_highwayman said:

i answered your question. You asked about how thoughts and actions are a sin. If there is just a tiny little sliver in you of wAnting a pat on the back or for motorists to see you helping the little old lady to cross the street or if you have not carefully considered somebody else better than yourself ...you have been disobedient to Philippians 2:3 and being disobedient to a command in scripture is sin.

dcontroversal · Feb 12, 2015

The_highwayman said:

Jesus said that if you lust after a woman in your heart (mind) you have already committed adultery with her.....

Sirk · Feb 12, 2015

Thinking badly about someone is the same as murdering them. Heck...I've murdered people today. I repented and held my thoughts captive but it still happened. The world I live in is filled with people who are sometimes mean but almost always selfish. Some days are harder than others but thank God he sent Jesus to cover my iniquity.

newbirth · Feb 12, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

bro I am just responding to what you wrote....this is your comment...look at the last line...you are trying to throw of the issue of what you wrote by changing the topic and making snide remarks...like I said before you speak with a forked tongue...

eternally-gratefull · Feb 12, 2015

newbirth said:

what it is true

Your sin is clean (the sin you deny you have)

and everyone elses sin is evil.

that is what you preach, that is what all legalists preach. they make a law which suits their needs, and ignore Gods law.

it is called phariseeism.

you have mastered it.

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