Tired of the Big LIE
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I agree and will add he is so deceived that he cannot see two feet in front of his own doctrine.....
He teaches you can lose salvation and then posts numerous sets of scripture OUT OF CONTEXT and twists them to say you must work for it...just like his statement above to EG.......vacillating from one extreme to the other......crazy for sure....!
He teaches you can lose salvation and then posts numerous sets of scripture OUT OF CONTEXT and twists them to say you must work for it...just like his statement above to EG.......vacillating from one extreme to the other......crazy for sure....!
More fluff here......salvation and eternal life are both a present reality and Angela is right....you have no clue about Greek and verb tenses that prove it is a current reality to those who EXERCISE FAITH INTO JESUS and NO matter how many times you state that you do not teach works for salvation at the end of the day that is exactly what you teach.....
To say one can lose it is to say one must DO SOMETHING TO KEEP IT, GAIN IT, EARN IT BACK and or maintain it.........Open your blind eyes dude and humble yourself...the bible teaches ETRERNAL SECURITY BASED UPON JESUS, his work and his faith!
yes, but the same thing was done to yahshua our teacher. that soldier guy - pray for him. he's having a very big trouble understanding english, and the unobvious deeper troubles i don't have a clue about for him.
yahshua explained it, and he will not explain it on judgment day - on that day he pronounces judgment and will not listen (then or now , for that matter)
to any excuses.
the ones who cry "lord, lord" and "did we not.... (all they did or thought they did) do for you?"
and
those ones think they are saved, and they think they are saved forever,
but
yahshua tells them when it is too late for them to be saved - they had their just opportunity on earth -
"be gone from me, i never knew you"
note that is something he says directly to those who thought they were saved, and they are SURPRISED!
because
they loved darkness instead of light(yahshua says elsewhere) and would not come to the light, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS (THEIR LIVES) WERE EVIL.
yahshua explained it, and he will not explain it on judgment day - on that day he pronounces judgment and will not listen (then or now , for that matter)
to any excuses.
the ones who cry "lord, lord" and "did we not.... (all they did or thought they did) do for you?"
and
those ones think they are saved, and they think they are saved forever,
but
yahshua tells them when it is too late for them to be saved - they had their just opportunity on earth -
"be gone from me, i never knew you"
note that is something he says directly to those who thought they were saved, and they are SURPRISED!
because
they loved darkness instead of light(yahshua says elsewhere) and would not come to the light, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS (THEIR LIVES) WERE EVIL.
K
I do not deny that scripture Dconn, and please stop speaking lies on me in front of others and proving what I said the other day about you. Always trying to make yourself better than others, while putting them down. That right there is the self righteous attitude that you are doing Dconn.
What I have tried to show you and others is Luke 6:46-49 where our Lord Jesus gives us the definition of what, "believe in Him," means. He says it is those who come to Him, hear what He said, and then do it !!!
In that passage in Luke 6 the Lord says a hearer only does not have their faith rooted strongly in Him, and will easily fall and not be saved. James tells us in James 1:22 that a hearer only is deceived, and a deceived person does not get salvation. The bible makes a point from the Lord all the way to Revelation that a true faith will have actions of love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. Then it tells us if these are not part of us then we do not have Him.
What I have tried to show you and others is Luke 6:46-49 where our Lord Jesus gives us the definition of what, "believe in Him," means. He says it is those who come to Him, hear what He said, and then do it !!!
In that passage in Luke 6 the Lord says a hearer only does not have their faith rooted strongly in Him, and will easily fall and not be saved. James tells us in James 1:22 that a hearer only is deceived, and a deceived person does not get salvation. The bible makes a point from the Lord all the way to Revelation that a true faith will have actions of love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. Then it tells us if these are not part of us then we do not have Him.
Well you know the bible tends to eternal security as the mercies of the Lord are renewed daily.....each day brings hope for those who are lost and still sucking air........maybe, just maybe the deceived workers for salvation will open their eyes to the grace, mercy and free GIFT of eternal life and justification that is found entirely in Christ and his completed work........!
(AFAIK, as far as i know) i can agree with you 100% firsthand also. i thought i was saved until i was 17, because i was always told in church i was saved(protestant church), and
it
was
a great SURPRISE ! ~~~~~ seeing LIVING CHRISTIANS, JOYFUL, HAPPY, LISTENING TO JESUS ! ALL THE TIME......
and that was how yahweh drew me to himself - - JESUS WAS LIFTED UP, and drew me to Himself, as He Promises in His Word, that He will do so. it was gradually , little by little, over months , before I gave my
life to Him and was immersed in His Name, and once I did, life has never been the same again ! AMEIN!
GLORY TO HIS NAME! (whoever does not take up the execution of their life daily, is not worthy of Him..... is true; anyone who welcomes us, welcomes Him, and anyone who does not welcome us, does not welcome Him. if anyone gives us a glass of cold water, that person will not lose their reward.)
it
was
a great SURPRISE ! ~~~~~ seeing LIVING CHRISTIANS, JOYFUL, HAPPY, LISTENING TO JESUS ! ALL THE TIME......
and that was how yahweh drew me to himself - - JESUS WAS LIFTED UP, and drew me to Himself, as He Promises in His Word, that He will do so. it was gradually , little by little, over months , before I gave my
life to Him and was immersed in His Name, and once I did, life has never been the same again ! AMEIN!
GLORY TO HIS NAME! (whoever does not take up the execution of their life daily, is not worthy of Him..... is true; anyone who welcomes us, welcomes Him, and anyone who does not welcome us, does not welcome Him. if anyone gives us a glass of cold water, that person will not lose their reward.)
First of all I am not spreading lies about anyone to make myself look better...I am stating facts about the scriptures and what you post on a regular basis.....You are deceived dude......James speaks of proving your faith before men...Paul states clearly that a man is justified before GOD by FAITH and FAITH alone without the deeds of the LAW (works)...
If one can lose salvation then one must DO SOMETHING to KEEP IT, EARN IT, BACK MAINTAIN IT at the end of the day your message boils down to working for salvation no matter how you twist, turn, slice and dice it.....
My bible teaches the present reality of salvation and eternal life based upon belief......
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe<----HAVE FAITH....TO you it is FOOLISH that one can just believe and be saved.....this to me proves that you are not saved because you believe in working for it....sorry if you don't like it...The scriptures contradict your view...trust the word over your man made ex catholic theology of works....
If one can lose salvation then one must DO SOMETHING to KEEP IT, EARN IT, BACK MAINTAIN IT at the end of the day your message boils down to working for salvation no matter how you twist, turn, slice and dice it.....
My bible teaches the present reality of salvation and eternal life based upon belief......
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe<----HAVE FAITH....TO you it is FOOLISH that one can just believe and be saved.....this to me proves that you are not saved because you believe in working for it....sorry if you don't like it...The scriptures contradict your view...trust the word over your man made ex catholic theology of works....
K
Wrong again as I have studied pisteuo and echo in depth, and have given you all the definitions more than once.
It is not me that has the meanings wrong, it is those who do not want to use the full meaning of them and how they apply.
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
Most people want to go by this ^^^^ above and leave it at that, but the Strong's gives more insight on how it is used and more of the definition;
1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;
a. universally: the thing believed being evident from the preceding context,Matthew 24:23,(26); Mark 13:21; 1 Corinthians 11:18; with an accusative of the thing, Acts 13:41 (L T Tr WH ὁ for Rec. ᾧ),to credit, have confidence, followed by ὅτι, Acts 9:26; τίνι, to believe one's words,Mark 16:13; 1 John 4:1; τίνι ὅτι, John 4:21; τῷ ψεύδει, 2 Thessalonians 2:11; περί τίνος, ὅτι, John 9:18.
b. specifically, in a moral and religious reference, πιστεύειν is used in the N. T. of "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of his soul"; thus it stands α. absolutely to trust in Jesus or in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: Matthew 8:13; Matthew 21:22; Mark 5:36; Mark 9:23;Luke 8:50; John 11:40; followed by ὅτι, Matthew 9:28; Mark 11:23; (Hebrews 11:6); τῷ λόγῳ, ᾧ (ὅν) εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς, John 4:50. β. ofthe credence given to God's messengers and their words, with a dative of the person or thing: Μωϋσεῖ John 5:46. to the prophets, John 12:38; Acts 24:14; Acts 26:27; Romans 10:16; ἐπί πᾶσιν οἷςἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται, to place reliance on etc. Luke 24:25. to an angel, Luke 1:20; followed by ὅτι, Luke 1:45. to John the Baptist, Matthew 21:25 (26),32; Mark 11:31; Luke 20:5. to Christ's words, John 3:12; John 5:38, 46; John 6:30; John 8:45; John 10
37),38{a}; τοῖς ἔργοις of Christ, John 10:38{b}. to the teachings of evangelists and apostles, Acts 8:12; τῇ ἀλήθεια, 2 Thessalonians 2:12; ἐπιστεύθη τόμαρτύριον, the testimony was believed, 2 Thessalonians 1:10 (cf.
Yeah they thought they were saved based upon...
1. The works that they did
2. The ability to prophesy
3. The ability to cast out demons.....
All in his name......I don't believe that, nor do I believe that the above leads to salvation as they are the results of a doctrine of works for salvation....
My bible teaches FAITH into Christ = salvation
1. The works that they did
2. The ability to prophesy
3. The ability to cast out demons.....
All in his name......I don't believe that, nor do I believe that the above leads to salvation as they are the results of a doctrine of works for salvation....
My bible teaches FAITH into Christ = salvation
Wrong again as I have studied pisteuo and echo in depth, and have given you all the definitions more than once.
It is not me that has the meanings wrong, it is those who do not want to use the full meaning of them and how they apply.
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
Most people want to go by this ^^^^ above and leave it at that, but the Strong's gives more insight on how it is used and more of the definition;
1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;
a. universally: the thing believed being evident from the preceding context,Matthew 24:23,(26); Mark 13:21; 1 Corinthians 11:18; with an accusative of the thing, Acts 13:41 (L T Tr WH ὁ for Rec. ᾧ),to credit, have confidence, followed by ὅτι, Acts 9:26; τίνι, to believe one's words,Mark 16:13; 1 John 4:1; τίνι ὅτι, John 4:21; τῷ ψεύδει, 2 Thessalonians 2:11; περί τίνος, ὅτι, John 9:18.
b. specifically, in a moral and religious reference, πιστεύειν is used in the N. T. of "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of his soul"; thus it stands α. absolutely to trust in Jesus or in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: Matthew 8:13; Matthew 21:22; Mark 5:36; Mark 9:23;Luke 8:50; John 11:40; followed by ὅτι, Matthew 9:28; Mark 11:23; (Hebrews 11:6); τῷ λόγῳ, ᾧ (ὅν) εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς, John 4:50. β. ofthe credence given to God's messengers and their words, with a dative of the person or thing: Μωϋσεῖ John 5:46. to the prophets, John 12:38; Acts 24:14; Acts 26:27; Romans 10:16; ἐπί πᾶσιν οἷςἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται, to place reliance on etc. Luke 24:25. to an angel, Luke 1:20; followed by ὅτι, Luke 1:45. to John the Baptist, Matthew 21:25 (26),32; Mark 11:31; Luke 20:5. to Christ's words, John 3:12; John 5:38, 46; John 6:30; John 8:45; John 1037),38{a}; τοῖς ἔργοις of Christ, John 10:38{b}. to the teachings of evangelists and apostles, Acts 8:12; τῇ ἀλήθεια, 2 Thessalonians 2:12; ἐπιστεύθη τόμαρτύριον, the testimony was believed, 2 Thessalonians 1:10 (cf.
It is not me that has the meanings wrong, it is those who do not want to use the full meaning of them and how they apply.
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
Most people want to go by this ^^^^ above and leave it at that, but the Strong's gives more insight on how it is used and more of the definition;
1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;
a. universally: the thing believed being evident from the preceding context,Matthew 24:23,(26); Mark 13:21; 1 Corinthians 11:18; with an accusative of the thing, Acts 13:41 (L T Tr WH ὁ for Rec. ᾧ),to credit, have confidence, followed by ὅτι, Acts 9:26; τίνι, to believe one's words,Mark 16:13; 1 John 4:1; τίνι ὅτι, John 4:21; τῷ ψεύδει, 2 Thessalonians 2:11; περί τίνος, ὅτι, John 9:18.
b. specifically, in a moral and religious reference, πιστεύειν is used in the N. T. of "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of his soul"; thus it stands α. absolutely to trust in Jesus or in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: Matthew 8:13; Matthew 21:22; Mark 5:36; Mark 9:23;Luke 8:50; John 11:40; followed by ὅτι, Matthew 9:28; Mark 11:23; (Hebrews 11:6); τῷ λόγῳ, ᾧ (ὅν) εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς, John 4:50. β. ofthe credence given to God's messengers and their words, with a dative of the person or thing: Μωϋσεῖ John 5:46. to the prophets, John 12:38; Acts 24:14; Acts 26:27; Romans 10:16; ἐπί πᾶσιν οἷςἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται, to place reliance on etc. Luke 24:25. to an angel, Luke 1:20; followed by ὅτι, Luke 1:45. to John the Baptist, Matthew 21:25 (26),32; Mark 11:31; Luke 20:5. to Christ's words, John 3:12; John 5:38, 46; John 6:30; John 8:45; John 10
37),38{a}; τοῖς ἔργοις of Christ, John 10:38{b}. to the teachings of evangelists and apostles, Acts 8:12; τῇ ἀλήθεια, 2 Thessalonians 2:12; ἐπιστεύθη τόμαρτύριον, the testimony was believed, 2 Thessalonians 1:10 (cf.
Well, Kenneth, I have finally figured out your problem.
You don't KNOW GREEK!!
You copy and paste from some internet sites, not having a clue that you are copying the lexical form, not the form used in the verse. You have doctrines based on a total ignorance of what the Greek is saying.
"Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλὰ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον." John 3:16 Greek
Here in this phrase πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων we find the verb pisteuo which in the lexical form means "I believe, I trust, I have faith in." This is the infinitive, which in English, we would say "to believe, to trust, to have faith." But in Greek, they use the first person singular indicative.
It is important to note this is a phrase "Pas ho pisteuone" because the "believe" verb is a participle, and there are different kinds of participles, including adverbial and adjectival.
In this case, because it has the word "the" or "ho" in the phrase, it tells us it is adjectival. Because it is in a phrase with "pas" which means "all" in Greek, we know from our studies of Greek that it is a generic utterance, which is gnomic or universal or timeless aspect.
Thus, if we go back to John 3:16, we can conclusively say that "All the ones believing" or πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων applies to "anyone who believes." And if they believe, they will not be destroyed or perish μὴ ἀπόληται. This negation shows conclusively that it is a timeless fact, that anyone who believes has eternal life. In fact, because this is a gnomic, timeless adjectival participle we can definitely say that it is not "continuation" word, but the exact opposite.
We are saved once for all, and that means forever, not contingent upon works! And certainly not in our own power!
It is true that our own righteousness is as filthy rags, but the righteousness of God we receive from God through abiding faith in Jesus has eternal value and makes us effective to do righteousness every day. Only by that righteousness (imputed, not earned) can we please God. Habitual sinning, however can't possibly please God, causing us to avoid keeping the words of Jesus, not found doing his commandments. How can anyone be comfortable regularly sinning daily knowing that keeps us guilty of breaking all commandments over and over again? That would be equal to trampling the blood of Jesus underfoot.
John 14:15 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Where does Jesus add to that "and keep your daily sins to a minimum"?
Jesus said in Matthew 5:27-28 (KJV) [SUP]27 [/SUP] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [SUP]28 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
A filthy rag heart tends towards habitual deliberate sin, evidencing a lifestyle of refusal to repent. That's our status before Christ in us, our hope of glory. Our walk with Jesus is begun with believing and repenting. How can it be that we can ignore repentance of sins, continually living as though we never received the Lord, being found sinners still while walking with him? If we believed and repented, then those sins were forgiven, but not if we get up and resume sinning. Repent again, turn from it, develop in that holy righteousness.
Do we find ourselves not forgiving a brother, even of a sin we are guilty of? That's a deadly sin if not repented of. There are many sins we need to forgive, if we want God to forgive ours. Matthew 18:32-35 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
That's part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Nothing has changed about it.
Believing it is OK with God to sin every day doesn't fit most of what Jesus said, nor did any apostle declare it is normal/acceptable to sin a little every day, or to repent of some sins but add more later without repentance....and forgiveness..
John 14:15 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Where does Jesus add to that "and keep your daily sins to a minimum"?
Jesus said in Matthew 5:27-28 (KJV) [SUP]27 [/SUP] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [SUP]28 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
A filthy rag heart tends towards habitual deliberate sin, evidencing a lifestyle of refusal to repent. That's our status before Christ in us, our hope of glory. Our walk with Jesus is begun with believing and repenting. How can it be that we can ignore repentance of sins, continually living as though we never received the Lord, being found sinners still while walking with him? If we believed and repented, then those sins were forgiven, but not if we get up and resume sinning. Repent again, turn from it, develop in that holy righteousness.
Do we find ourselves not forgiving a brother, even of a sin we are guilty of? That's a deadly sin if not repented of. There are many sins we need to forgive, if we want God to forgive ours. Matthew 18:32-35 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
That's part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Nothing has changed about it.
Believing it is OK with God to sin every day doesn't fit most of what Jesus said, nor did any apostle declare it is normal/acceptable to sin a little every day, or to repent of some sins but add more later without repentance....and forgiveness..
K
1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.
Matthew 24:10-13
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are againentangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Hebrews 12:1-3
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.
Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Hebrews 3:12-14
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ,if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
2 Timothy 4:2-8
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.
1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Corinthians 9:24-25
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.
Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
Mark 13:9-13
“But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them. And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Colossians 1:22-23
In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
You can call me teaching lies and false all you like, but that is only based on what you think is true and not what the bible actually says. As these few scriptures I give again all have the same theme/context to them. Having to stay firm, endure, continue, and doing His will and not our own to receive salvation......
Thanks..no where have I stated, implied, taught or said that it is ok to live a lifestyle of continual sin......the bible makes it clear that even saved children of God sin...If we say that we have NO SIN, we are deceived and the truth is not in us...No where have I taught that we are not to repent of sin and then walk in a manner that pleases the Lord......lastly to say that a believer that has trusted into Christ and then can lose salvation by a sin or particular sins denies the following....
1. Why chastisement for a believer if they can become UNSAVED
2. Where sin abounds, grace did much more abound
3. Whatsoever God does it is ETERNAL
4. Eternal and everlasting mean exactly that...eternal and everlasting....!
1. Why chastisement for a believer if they can become UNSAVED
2. Where sin abounds, grace did much more abound
3. Whatsoever God does it is ETERNAL
4. Eternal and everlasting mean exactly that...eternal and everlasting....!
K
Sorry but I am not a mormon or a new ager...
Mormon's believe they can become god's themselves and have to earn salvation, I do not !!!
New agers do not believe they have to believe in Jesus to get to heaven, and I do not !!!
I believe what the bible says that if you believe in Jesus as your Lord, then you believe in every aspect of Him and follow and obey every single thing that He said out of love for Him. People want to leave the doing part off of belief that our Lord does not do.
You can call me anything you want for defending every single word He said, and I have posted plenty of scriptures that prove my point. You who call me a liar, deceived, or false teacher just do not like those scriptures and what they say. Those scriptures are not going anywhere and they do not change.
Nice verses...too bad you take them out of context to teach your works for salvation.......the word save, saved are not necessarily indicative of should salvation and for sure the end of someone's faith is ETERNAL SALVATION....maybe one of these days you will get it and open your eyes......NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH AWAE HAVAE DONE, BUT ACCORDING to HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US<---PAST TENSE....HAS SAVED US!