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Sirk
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I think you probably get this about me but my gift is mercy.....I think. I don't like it when people suffer...especially with impossible expectations.
Tired of the Big LIE
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I think you probably get this about me but my gift is mercy.....I think. I don't like it when people suffer...especially with impossible expectations.
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The_highwayman
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Yeah I picked up on that a few weeks ago and it's ok....and very awesome. We need our mercy folks in the body more than ever....
you probably would not be surprised that I am called as a Perceiver/Exhorter and my assignment is to mature, equip and complete others...
I only place "impossible expectations" on folks the Holy Ghost has shown me can handle the amount of expectation they need to grow spiritually....
I dont like people to suffer either and that is why I expect more out of them than they do out of themselves....because God let's me see their potential for the kingdom....I always operate in the standard of love...even when it seems like I am not.
You are the Blessed of the Lord Sirk.
I said the truth and didn't want it to say anything other than what it said.....so why the rest of you post????
Jesus said that if you lust after a woman in your heart (mind) you have already committed adultery with her.....So not real sure you have an issue with what I said....what gives?????
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The_highwayman
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I said the truth and didn't want it to say anything other than what it said.....so why the rest of you post????
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
So not real sure you have an issue with what I said....what gives?????
Sounds like a misunderstanding on my behalf bro
Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
Just like in John 3:16 the believe here is those who continue to believe (pisteuo).................
Well, Kenneth, I have finally figured out your problem.
You don't KNOW GREEK!!
You copy and paste from some internet sites, not having a clue that you are copying the lexical form, not the form used in the verse. You have doctrines based on a total ignorance of what the Greek is saying.
"Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλὰ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον." John 3:16 Greek
Here in this phrase πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων we find the verb pisteuo which in the lexical form means "I believe, I trust, I have faith in." This is the infinitive, which in English, we would say "to believe, to trust, to have faith." But in Greek, they use the first person singular indicative.
It is important to note this is a phrase "Pas ho pisteuone" because the "believe" verb is a participle, and there are different kinds of participles, including adverbial and adjectival.
In this case, because it has the word "the" or "ho" in the phrase, it tells us it is adjectival. Because it is in a phrase with "pas" which means "all" in Greek, we know from our studies of Greek that it is a generic utterance, which is gnomic or universal or timeless aspect.
Thus, if we go back to John 3:16, we can conclusively say that "All the ones believing" or πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων applies to "anyone who believes." And if they believe, they will not be destroyed or perish μὴ ἀπόληται. This negation shows conclusively that it is a timeless fact, that anyone who believes has eternal life. In fact, because this is a gnomic, timeless adjectival participle we can definitely say that it is not "continuation" word, but the exact opposite.
We are saved once for all, and that means forever, not contingent upon works! And certainly not in our own power!
What you do defines who you are !!
If you still lie, steal, and do all forms of sin and still say am saved!!!!
You are deceiving yourself.
Faith without works is dead.!!.
If you still lie, steal, and do all forms of sin and still say am saved!!!!
You are deceiving yourself.
Faith without works is dead.!!.
If you scorn, speak ill against a brethrens, and perform all forms of abominations and do things that do not please the Lord.
You are deceiving yourself, and no one else.!!.
Repent or perish.
There is no "Eternal security", if it were not so then there would be no Christians in hell.
But even scriptures are clear on this, many are called but few are chosen.
Many are called to christianity and they accept that calling for a time but fall away, yet Few are pretty much chosen to inherit eternal life when they stand before the great Judge.
You are deceiving yourself, and no one else.!!.
Repent or perish.
There is no "Eternal security", if it were not so then there would be no Christians in hell.
But even scriptures are clear on this, many are called but few are chosen.
Many are called to christianity and they accept that calling for a time but fall away, yet Few are pretty much chosen to inherit eternal life when they stand before the great Judge.
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Jesus even called Him friend!!. But was TIED UP and THROWN OUT because HE was not wearing ANY WHITE GARMENTS.
When you seek in Scripture something thats not there. You will only deceive yourself.
And the very first revelation you read from the word of GOD is what you read. Because thats what GOD revealed to the authors to write.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Jesus even called Him friend!!. But was TIED UP and THROWN OUT because HE was not wearing ANY WHITE GARMENTS.
When you seek in Scripture something thats not there. You will only deceive yourself.
And the very first revelation you read from the word of GOD is what you read. Because thats what GOD revealed to the authors to write.
No offence and don't be offended, but this is your view based upon numerous things....
1. Ignorance of scriptures
2. Ignorant of Greek verbs and tenses
3. Rejection of verses in context
4. Denial of words given in context
5. Denial of phrases in context
Ecclesiastes 3:14.....I know that WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IT IS ETERNAL...nothing added nor taken away from IT and God does this that men may fear before HIM<--this includes SALVATION, WHATSOEVER means WHAT EVER IT IS THAT GOD DOES
WHOSOEVER believes in him SHOULD NOT PERISH, but is having ETERNAL LIFE
He that believeth on the SON hath EVERLASTING LIFE
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE
Now...to your other points........!
There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and SINS NOT
ALL our righteousnesses are as FILTHY RAGS and our INIQUITIES like the wind have taken us away
There is NONE GOOD no NOT ONE
IF WE SAY that we have NO SIN we are deceived and the TRUTH is NOT IN US.
To break ONE of the LEAST OF THE COMMANDMENTS is to be GUILTY of ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS
I suggest you study more, quit relying on whoever is deceiving you and get the truth before it is too late......
Another statement of ignorance and a total rejection of ETERNAL LIFE, EVERLASTING LIFE, SEALED unto the day of redemption, in the FATHER"S hand in the HAND of CHRIST, I shall LOOSE NOTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ME, SAVED TO THE UTTERMOST, BEING BORN of INCORRUPTABLE SEED etc.
I have followed you to some extent and to be honest you don't know that much.......
To say you can lose salvation means you have never trusted into the saving faith of Christ, but rather your own works.....there is a word for that...Pharisee!
I can agree with this 100% firsthand having been one of these that "thought" I was a Christian for right at 5 years before He came and saved me. This to me is really terrifying that I was so far from truth yet was told I was saved, and was never given any reason to doubt that. My whole view of what Christianity was completely off base. I’m sure it was because we are conditioned from birth to completely write off the possibility of anything supernatural from the start because everything real we can see, taste, smell, touch, etc… I just saw everything as a belief system that if followed would lead to a decent life. I truly liked what Jesus taught (even though I didn’t understand it correctly) and loved the whole “Idea” of Him, but knew Him not. Really I never even considered the possibility of knowing Him in truth. I am just grateful, and sing praises to His mighty name for saving my regardless of my ignorance.
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kennethcadwell
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Well I am sorry you feel that way because it is the Lord Jesus Christ who said you have to do the will of God in your life to get salvation/eternal life, not me. (Matthew 7:21)
The will of God is for us to have faith in Jesus. Again, if you believe in works salvation then you're saying what Jesus did on the Cross was not good enough. In fact, you're saying we have no need of Jesus.
Yeah he likes to quote the first half of that and they totally ignores, rejects and denies the following statement...
This is the will of him that sent me....THAT YOU BELIEVE ON HIME WHOME HE HATH SENT.....of course those who teach lies about working your way to heaven will ignore and or explain away the multitude of verses that oppose their heresy......
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Viligant_Warrior
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Neither do works cost us our salvation. That's the error you consistently make.
And to teach such heresy is a big sin which such deceived souls lives in, a work of the flesh. Yet these same people love to nitpick what they perceive to be sins in others. It's a crooked jam, isn't it.
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kennethcadwell
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Brother Kenneth those of us that have received the free gift and bare witness that the Holy Spirit has dawned and risen in our hearts would support a lie if we said it came through works done by us. Grace is the free gift (unmerited favor) of God for faith in Jesus Christ, it can't be earned.
Ephesians 2:5-9
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I never said that salvation comes by works done by us, this is a lie that a few on here on trying to put on me.
Second I have shown many scriptures from the bible that shows that we have not received the gift of salvation yet, as it is a possession of ours in the mind, as in an assurance that we will receive it by staying in Christ. It is not a lie to to teach a mental assurance of receiving over we actually physically have it now.
Look at post #1123 those scriptures all say the physical possession of eternal life comes at the end of our faith at the time of the resurrection and Lord's return. So when you have those scriptures that say the actual physical possession of it comes at the end, those scriptures that make it look like it is yours now would make a contradiction. The bible does not contradict itself, so this is why you have to go to the Greek words pisteuo, and echo used in those scriptures. And when you look at the their full definitions you find out what is actually saying in those few scriptures that make it look as if it is yours physically right now. They say continuation of believing leading to (pisteuo), and to have in hand as a mental possession, assurance of (echo).
And once again Ephesians 2:5-9 is about using works to earn salvation, or to be justified by works instead of by Christ. Which I teach or preach neither one. But what some do not understand is that the bible shows a non active faith is a dead faith, hince faith without works is dead. The bible gives standards of what a born again believer will look like, and it says if you do not have those things in your life you do not have a true belief in Him and are not born again. Therefore there would be no salvation coming to that person.
Nowhere in the bible does it say a believer does not have to do nothing !!!
Lord Jesus even said if a person who is calls themselves a believer is disobedient or walking in willful sin they are to be cast out, and He will cut them in two and appoint them a place with the unbelievers.
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kennethcadwell
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Like I said before the will of God is all that the Lord Jesus said, not half, not part, or some but all....