Tired of the Big LIE
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Why? You do not even believe this.
You have one person who is licentious, states he believes which does not, and was never saved (his house fell)
You have the other one who has true faith, proven by his changed life and works, whos house will never fall.
Yet you believe the one who built his house on Christ (the rock) and still not make it to heaven.
How can this be? if Christ is the foundation, how can that salvation ever fail?
You have one person who is licentious, states he believes which does not, and was never saved (his house fell)
You have the other one who has true faith, proven by his changed life and works, whos house will never fall.
Yet you believe the one who built his house on Christ (the rock) and still not make it to heaven.
How can this be? if Christ is the foundation, how can that salvation ever fail?
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Your defending on deaf ears, when you use a passage which shows people who build a house on the sand are not saved, even if they claim they are. and people who build there house on a rock (christ) will never fall. then claim salvation can be lost (the house built on the rock can fall)
You can not even see the problem with your faulty belief system. it wreaks, it sounds good. (do what God says) but it fails. Because you can not do enough work to every earn salvation, let alone lose it.
You have made your own law. And claim you are worthy, When you reject Gods law. that says on your best day, your still unworthy.
Brother, I look at our dialogue as an opportunity to present the gospel to possibly millions of people around the world that have no pastor or Bible to learn from. Please don't take offense, as none is intended. By now you know some of us prefer to consider large scripture context that bridges chapter to chapter, book to book. There can't be the slightest conflict between any two verses if taken in context. So I am right now just working on the quoting of that one scripture above, and probably my post is influenced by other posts. that keep up a conflict.
It's eternal if believing on God's terms, which is more than mental belief. Taking verses out of context can lead a person to believe that because of Christ in them they can sin safely, but they are not accountable for their sins because al ltheir past, present, and future sins are already forgiven. It is true "If we say that we have NO SIN, we are deceived and the truth is not in us", but that is only properly said when in context.
1 John 1:6-10 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The If's are conditions for us to love out in our thoughts and actions. Works of keeping of the old law were set aside in
Acts 15, which actually ended when Jesus died on the cross. In their place are works of righteousness, which are expected to follow after belief, only possible by the power of God through Christ in us.
John 14:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Examples of Jesus' commandments:
Matthew 11:29-30 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Luke 9:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
It is inescapable that salvation isn't guaranteed if a person doesn't keep Jesus' commandments like those, which are works of righteousness that are evidence of whether we have truly believed, to the following of Jesus day to day. His commandments are far easier than those of the Jews, by which none obtained righteousness.
I agree Romans 10:9 is a scripture, and it does say, "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thy heart... thou SHALT be saved"
However, to hang one's salvation on a single scripture without considering all relevant scripture is a fatal error on your part. Paul is not addressing sinners, but a church of saved individuals.
Further, Acts 10:1-6 records that Cornelius, the centurion, was a very religious and devout man; who feared God, gave much alms and prayed to God always. Was he saved by "believing?" After doing all of this the angle spoke and told him to send for Peter in Acts 11:14 "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved".
In Acts 26:27-29 we read that King Agrippa believed. "I know that thou believest..." King Agrippa still remained unsaved.
I do hope someday you come to believe, and obey the gospel, which is the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and apply it as per Acts chapter two...
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
What shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Peter could have said to accept Jesus as your personal savior, or simply to "believe", but Peter did not say any of those things which are taken out of context. Instead, Peter fulfilled Matthew 16:18-19...
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Peter stood strong and told them to obey the Gospel of the Death, Burial, Resurrection...
1. Death - repent
2. Burial - water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection - Holy Ghost
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
God bless!
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Make no mistake friend....I base my beliefs upon hundreds of scripture in context and to argue the validity of ONE VERSE to prove eternal truth contradicts the entire bible when it comes to eternal salvation.......
God said.....It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
If you confess with your mouth and believe that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be SAVED
...whosoever believeth in him should not be perishing, but is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
This is the will of the FATHER...that you believe on HIM whom he hath SENT
and on and on and on..........
I trust God at his word....he said believe and acknowledge=eternal life.......
God said.....It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
If you confess with your mouth and believe that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be SAVED
...whosoever believeth in him should not be perishing, but is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
This is the will of the FATHER...that you believe on HIM whom he hath SENT
and on and on and on..........
I trust God at his word....he said believe and acknowledge=eternal life.......
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Wrong. He's addressing unbelieving Israel. Read the context, please.
Neither believed the Gospel, but Jewish teaching, which obviously did not include the Christ. Therefore, again, you are wrong.
Woefully misguided "interpretation" of what Acts 2:38 is saying. And if you make it say what you are trying to make it say, then why did Jesus never mention baptism as necessary for salvation? He had many opportunities to do so, yet never went beyond "believe and be saved." So yet again, wrong.
Oh, for the love of ...
So now you're making Peter the "rock" upon which the church was built? What nonsense! You repeat the error of the Catholics! Who else was there when Jesus said that? Hint: Jesus! He is the only Rock there is.
I'm getting a stomachache from all the bad theology on this forum today! Good gravy!
Neither believed the Gospel, but Jewish teaching, which obviously did not include the Christ. Therefore, again, you are wrong.
Woefully misguided "interpretation" of what Acts 2:38 is saying. And if you make it say what you are trying to make it say, then why did Jesus never mention baptism as necessary for salvation? He had many opportunities to do so, yet never went beyond "believe and be saved." So yet again, wrong.
Oh, for the love of ...
So now you're making Peter the "rock" upon which the church was built? What nonsense! You repeat the error of the Catholics! Who else was there when Jesus said that? Hint: Jesus! He is the only Rock there is.
I'm getting a stomachache from all the bad theology on this forum today! Good gravy!
You can't go to the epistles to get saved, they were written to those already saved, telling then how to stay saved.
1. The four gospels introduce us to Christ.
2. The Book of Acts tells us how to get saved.
3. The epistles were written to those already saved, telling then how to stay saved.
God bless!
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Actually you are way off here....
1. The four gospels introduce us to Christ, so that we know how to operate down here and how to obtain eternal life through him
2. The Book of Acts tells us how to be endued with power by the Holy Spirit to be a witness for Christ and to let the Spirit perform mighty works through us and has nothing to do with salvation
3. The epistles were written to the early church and used to explain their position in Christ and talks about salvation and re-enforces what Jesus told us to do to be saved!
1. The four gospels introduce us to Christ, so that we know how to operate down here and how to obtain eternal life through him
2. The Book of Acts tells us how to be endued with power by the Holy Spirit to be a witness for Christ and to let the Spirit perform mighty works through us and has nothing to do with salvation
3. The epistles were written to the early church and used to explain their position in Christ and talks about salvation and re-enforces what Jesus told us to do to be saved!