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Mitspa
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Actually what is says is that faith comes from the word (Rhema) of Christ... In the oldest and most reliable Greek text
we also know the law is not of faith.
Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?
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Actually what is says is that faith comes from the word (Rhema) of Christ... In the oldest and most reliable Greek text
we also know the law is not of faith.
if you did not read you cannot say ..it is written...Jesus also read...study to show yourself approved...how did that someone get to know what the law of God requires????....it is not only the ten commandments one must read... 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Mitspa
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oh you lover of contention....here is my reference....
[h=1]Romans 10:16-18King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
the law voids faith but
faith does not void the law..
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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keeth
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Your question is answered in the scriptures I supplied. Are you now above learning and being convicted by the word of God because you have read it three times already? I have read it from cover to cover many times over, and learn something new and am convicted in different ways every time. There is more to learn from scripture and even the law of God than we could comprehend in ten of our short life times compared to eternity. I tell you the truth, those who can see nothing but the letter of the law, will never comprehend its true meaning and significance. The scribes and pharisees could never see more than the letter of the law because they viewed it from the selfish motive of observing it to be saved, self preservation. Those who reject the authority of God's law can never see anything more than the letter of the law, because they must insist that there is nothing to the law but the letter, in order to maintain their rejection of the same. Both of the above share the same problem, just for different reasons.
They lack the ability to see the deep and penetrating force, truth, and effect of the law because their motives are not pure. Or do you suppose God authored something that was not of significant force, truth, and effect? As already stated, the entire bible exists to address the condition of humanity in relation to the law and authority of God. I am sorry that you can see nothing but the letter of it, it proceeded from the mouth and hand of God to humanity, and it is every bit of a spiritual reality as God Himself is.
Ro 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
God did not set up and establish legalism and dead works by giving humanity His commandments. We accomplished this, not God. I have already shown several times that love was always a prerequisite to the proper keeping the commandments of God.
what does illegalism teach you ...to call people hypocrite...??? are you legal or illegal....???? why do you call one who obeys Christ a religious hypocrite or legalist??? is it wrong to obey Christ...????
1 Samuel 15:22
And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Though I agree with much of what you wrote, I don't understand your reticence to plainly address the question raised, it in no way diminishes the value of reading scripture by doing so
God also commanded you not to steal ...you do not get past that...you have to obey that also...
the law taught but man did not learn...Christ came and fulfilled the law by doing all that was required of the law as a man...the same Spirit that was in him to conquer sin he puts in you ....you need to follow that Spirit...look it was already written in the law...
Deuteronomy 9:4
Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the Lord thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the Lord hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
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Mitspa
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No the commandment is to love...and if one does not love as God commands one is a thief at heart. Obedience is not in legalism...that's hypocrisy....obedience is in faith working by love.
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Mitspa
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Yes Just like Jesus called the legalist of His day who "claimed" to keep the law....hypocrites! None of you who preach the law, keep the law! Its only those who teach the love of God in Christ that teach others to fulfill the law.
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kaylagrl
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Because not every Christian is that spiritually mature yet.I thought the OP was talking about a new Christian.
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keeth
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As already stated, the first scriptures I supplied answered your question. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." You don't stop reading and studying the word of God or any part of it including the law, if you want to maintain and strengthen your faith. The second scriptures I quoted are along the very same line, with a little more detail. I assumed you would comprehend the answer these scriptures provide. Fallen humanity is deeply prone to wander from God without continuing our relationship and instruction with and from Him daily. Why would anyone exclude the law from that study, when so very very much of scripture is directly concerning it?
I will answer it plainly. A born again Christian does not need to read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live, for the law God requires every Christian to follow is written on their mind and placed on their heart at the point of conversion. It is already instinctive to you, you know it in your heart and mind
Which is why in Acts 15 Gentile converts were only asked to follow four Jewish laws, three of which it is widely believed were to appear Jewish legalists who had become Christians
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keeth
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The Ten Commandments are not discussed at all in Acts 15. You ignore this, and all NT scripture which admonishes us to obey God's commandments. You will not even ever address such scriptures when they are submitted to you. Why do you think you must pretend certain scriptures do not exist, in maintaining your position? Would you like me to provide some of them, that you might address them?
Why were the Ten commandments not mentioned in Acts 15? There is only one reason. The leaders of the church knew, the Holy Spirit had written on the mind and placed on the heart the law God requires a convert to keep!
Acts 15 requirement were to allow a gentile to even crack the doors of a house of worship, and they would learn the rest as they attended. One the Spirit doesn't "zap" all knowledge into a believer, YHWH rewards those who diligently seek Him and second, most of us don't think what a gentile was back then, most I assume, from history, were deep into paganism and probably had some common practices that would turn most of our stomachs.
Acts 15:19-21, "Therefore, my judgment is that we should not make difficulties for those of the Gentiles who turn to Yahweh, But rather, write to them that they abstain from defilements: such as idolatry, from all sexual impurity, from that which has been cooked with the blood still in it, and from bloodshed by violence-- For Mosheh, from the earliest times, has in every city those who preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day."
On Sabbath at a house of worship they would hear the Law/Torah/Instructions, they would hear the Messiah's perfect teaching, and if guys like Peter, Paul, etc were around they could hear that teaching everyday, but not ever person could be/was with them every day.... I think only in modern times is being sancified/saved a single one off thing, back then, and in truth, it is a constant process of growing in Messiah.
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Mitspa
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What do you think the law of Moses is? Its every jot and tittle...its all things written in the book of the law...its the ten commandments and all the rest of the law.
Ac 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
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Laodicea
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They call them legalist because they do not want the law. They just want the love gospel. If they look at the law they will see the first four commandments show how to love God, while the next six show how to love others.
God brought Israel out of bondage by a mighty hand before He gave His law, so Israel should have kept God's law out of love and gratitude. It is no different with us, God has delivered us out of the bondage of sin by a mighty hand and out of love and gratitude to God we should want to keep His law.
Jesus followed the same pattern while on earth, first He delivered people after He said "Go and sin no more".
I believe with all my BEING HEART SOUL MIND that the Whole Sacred Word is the Breath, Ruach and Essence of ABBA. ABBA has GRACE, MERCY, LOVE, and FORGIVENESS for all HIS children in OT and NT. Beautiful written by Willie T the LOVE of ABBA full all.
I think you meant, "the word of Christ", as scholars now understand it to have been originally written?