A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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As it is written;
"Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word(CHRIST) of GOD."
And since you and your friends believe and quote some of the Scriptures that suits your faith and ignore the others we men have quoted and are also from JESUS, then sadly we have nothing in common with those who are 'delusional' and in partial faith of the written New Covenant.
As it is written and JESUS reminds you, sadly again ignorance ones the same thing that;
"My words have not found room in your hearts."
The 'goats' you are referring are those who only lived and enjoyed the 'gifts' of the HOLY SPIRIT and did a lot of ministry for JESUS and in the name of JESUS in 'vain', because they went ahead from JESUS 's teachings of the New Covenant and were not 'mentored' in their Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge, therefore also fail 'keep' HIS commandments in their faith.
That is why JESUS rejected them on that day, who boasted their effort filled ministries for JESUS, using their 'gifts' given by the HOLY SPIRIT to all believers. HE declared regarding them as workers of 'lawlessness'.
"Please imagine a kingdom, where the citizens either live 'without a law' or 'ignore the law"?
"No wonder as we witness, sadly it's citizens are 'divided' and 'scattered' in their own nation."
"A created and gifted and talented citizen who ignorantly and arrogantly lived against the 'Kingdom law of righteousness', the given 'rules' and 'regulations' of their righteous and good KING. And HE was merciful to the once who at least 'workout' in 'fear' and 'trembling', made an effort to 'keep' them all their lives, by the help of their placed Holy Spiritual Teacher and Helper, who only tutor and lead them into the full righteousness and the law and reminds about them again and again to stay 'focused'."
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive such disobedience and poor and help them open their 'eyes' and 'ears' to all the words of a righteous KING before it is too late.
'Blessed be thy name 'O LORD JESUS CHRIST' forever and ever, Amen.
"Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word(CHRIST) of GOD."
And since you and your friends believe and quote some of the Scriptures that suits your faith and ignore the others we men have quoted and are also from JESUS, then sadly we have nothing in common with those who are 'delusional' and in partial faith of the written New Covenant.
As it is written and JESUS reminds you, sadly again ignorance ones the same thing that;
"My words have not found room in your hearts."
The 'goats' you are referring are those who only lived and enjoyed the 'gifts' of the HOLY SPIRIT and did a lot of ministry for JESUS and in the name of JESUS in 'vain', because they went ahead from JESUS 's teachings of the New Covenant and were not 'mentored' in their Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge, therefore also fail 'keep' HIS commandments in their faith.
That is why JESUS rejected them on that day, who boasted their effort filled ministries for JESUS, using their 'gifts' given by the HOLY SPIRIT to all believers. HE declared regarding them as workers of 'lawlessness'.
"Please imagine a kingdom, where the citizens either live 'without a law' or 'ignore the law"?
"No wonder as we witness, sadly it's citizens are 'divided' and 'scattered' in their own nation."
"A created and gifted and talented citizen who ignorantly and arrogantly lived against the 'Kingdom law of righteousness', the given 'rules' and 'regulations' of their righteous and good KING. And HE was merciful to the once who at least 'workout' in 'fear' and 'trembling', made an effort to 'keep' them all their lives, by the help of their placed Holy Spiritual Teacher and Helper, who only tutor and lead them into the full righteousness and the law and reminds about them again and again to stay 'focused'."
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive such disobedience and poor and help them open their 'eyes' and 'ears' to all the words of a righteous KING before it is too late.
'Blessed be thy name 'O LORD JESUS CHRIST' forever and ever, Amen.
JackH
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bishop ἐπισκοπῆς means overseer [understood by some as equivalent to pastor and by others as pastors' pastor
pastor ποίμεν means shepherd He who is charged with the spiritual safety and well-being of a church
reverend in my opinion a fancy title some pastors pompously apply to themselves
minister διάκονος means servant one who concerns him/her self with another's spiritual or material needs
deacon διάκονος means servant one who concerns him/her self with another's spiritual or material needs
prophet/prophetess προφήτας one who proclaims God's word either from direct revelation or from Scripture [some might disagree with me on this] if done before the assembled church this may be construed as preaching elsewhere as witnessing.
priest in my opinion one who appeals to God on behalf of another. In OT times through animal sacrifice. in NT times .................by intercessory prayer.
teacher in my opinion one who imparts truth to another whether spiritual or secular
So of all those words, which can a woman be and which can't she be?
Do you recognize your question yet?
Now you are calling discrimination against women a breach of etiquette?
That is what those who discriminated against blacks called it.
That is what those who discriminated against women such as to deny them the right to vote called it.
You know, those who used the very same verses in Paul to attempt to deny women the right to vote that are used today to deny women the right to preach, teach, pastor, or whatever.
Is breach of etiquette a sin?
That is what those who discriminated against blacks called it.
That is what those who discriminated against women such as to deny them the right to vote called it.
You know, those who used the very same verses in Paul to attempt to deny women the right to vote that are used today to deny women the right to preach, teach, pastor, or whatever.
Is breach of etiquette a sin?
It wasn't my question.
It was VioletReigns' question.
I merely repeated it because it was not being answered.
It still has not been answered.
It still has not been made clear what a woman can and can't do.
All we have from those who would discriminated against women is confusion.
God is not the author of confusion.
I'm not confused.
A woman can do anything that a man can, with respect to the issues of which we are speaking.
It was VioletReigns' question.
I merely repeated it because it was not being answered.
It still has not been answered.
It still has not been made clear what a woman can and can't do.
All we have from those who would discriminated against women is confusion.
God is not the author of confusion.
I'm not confused.
A woman can do anything that a man can, with respect to the issues of which we are speaking.
I'm happy to announce that I listened to a lady preach at my church this morning and she did a mighty fine job too! Sorry haters - not lol 
As it is written as JESUS said to HIS disciples about the 'counterfeits' after HIM will appear that;
"After me there will False prophets, false teachers, false apostles and false messiah."
M
Does being a woman make one false?
I'm sorry but this thread seems to be bringing out the worst in all of us. Many not showing the love of Christ (not directed at you Fred!) and many do appear to have a genuine dislike of women. Why do some folks fear successful women? I don't know really...there are worse things going on in the world right now.
I'm sorry but this thread seems to be bringing out the worst in all of us. Many not showing the love of Christ (not directed at you Fred!) and many do appear to have a genuine dislike of women. Why do some folks fear successful women? I don't know really...there are worse things going on in the world right now.
Friend, please be loyal and faithful to GOD's made New Covenant, written in the HOLY BIBLE.
JESUS did cautioned HIS disciples that after HIM there will be 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' to 'beguile' faithful to the Word(JESUS) of New Covenant and Old, believers until this very day.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST stop giving events that conflicts with the written Word(CHRIST) of structure and order of the New Covenant established of the Living GOD made and given to us as the 'lightened yoke' of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
JESUS did cautioned HIS disciples that after HIM there will be 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' to 'beguile' faithful to the Word(JESUS) of New Covenant and Old, believers until this very day.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST stop giving events that conflicts with the written Word(CHRIST) of structure and order of the New Covenant established of the Living GOD made and given to us as the 'lightened yoke' of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
P
Y'know, it isn't that anyone "fears" women. I don't think you really believe that. All it is a clear example of how shallow or deep people are in the word. The inability to correctly fathom, to clearly understand basic doctrine, is put on display for all to see.....everyone, that is, but the blind.
There are more people in ditches in this forum than in many apostate churches. Luke 6:39
There are more people in ditches in this forum than in many apostate churches. Luke 6:39
What exactly are you saying?
You go off on so many rants I get distracted from whatever point you are attempting to make.
Is a female pastor engaging in sinful behavior?
How about a female who preaches to or teaches men?
Must that behavior then be repented of and turned away from?
Yes or No answers would be good rather than ranting and talking about ditches.
You go off on so many rants I get distracted from whatever point you are attempting to make.
Is a female pastor engaging in sinful behavior?
How about a female who preaches to or teaches men?
Must that behavior then be repented of and turned away from?
Yes or No answers would be good rather than ranting and talking about ditches.
This is Christianchat, not western political philosophy chat. I don't believe that women have a God-given inalienable right to vote. Men didn't all have the right to vote until a decade before women's suffrage in the US, anyway. It's not like men were all voting for centuries. Only a land owning class could vote. And democracy is from pagan Greece, not the New Jerusalem.
If women hadn't gotten the vote, who knows? We might have ended up with a better government than we have now. We might not have the huge government programs or the politicians in favor of letting babies be murdered in the womb, or the homosexual agenda. One of the concerns with letting women vote is that they might vote as a group, and in history, we see that much of the Feminist movement has backed an evil, baby killing agenda.
But we are only foreigners here. Our citizenship is in another city whose Builder and Maker is God.
Is there a 'right' to pastor? This type of American political philosophy is dangerous when interpreting the Bible. Pastoring a church isn't about having a 'right' like everyone else. We are to follow the Lord's will. If solid Biblical arguments are used against women overseeing a church, and those same arguments are used to argue women shouldn't vote, then consider whether women should vote or not. But we shouldn't reject what the Lord has revealed based on secular political philosophy.
If women hadn't gotten the vote, who knows? We might have ended up with a better government than we have now. We might not have the huge government programs or the politicians in favor of letting babies be murdered in the womb, or the homosexual agenda. One of the concerns with letting women vote is that they might vote as a group, and in history, we see that much of the Feminist movement has backed an evil, baby killing agenda.
But we are only foreigners here. Our citizenship is in another city whose Builder and Maker is God.
Is there a 'right' to pastor? This type of American political philosophy is dangerous when interpreting the Bible. Pastoring a church isn't about having a 'right' like everyone else. We are to follow the Lord's will. If solid Biblical arguments are used against women overseeing a church, and those same arguments are used to argue women shouldn't vote, then consider whether women should vote or not. But we shouldn't reject what the Lord has revealed based on secular political philosophy.